New here with a few questions

[Kaosanddoom]

Hello everybody. This is a great site, and i appreciate all the people here willing to share their knowledge.

My name is Todd, and i am a vapor. LOL

I started off with an Innokin cool fire 2. still what i use for work or travel. However yesterday i won a patriot rda clone, and decided to buy a mechanical mod to power it. so i bought the v24/7 congestus. Man what a monster. But honestly it hits super harsh right now. The stock coils in the patriot clone just aren't up to the task and it is making everything taste burnt. I tried it in both the one battery and two battery setup, and i just can't get it to produce any serious volume or not taste burnt.

I also tried rebuilding the rda to get it to work better. still watching videos and learning, but i was wondering if someone could give me some advice as to which coil setup would work best for something this large. Should i be building dual macro coils, or start with a single coil build, or some other awesome thing i don't even know of yet as a total noob?

all help is greatly appreciated.

 

[Susan~S]

Hello and welcome to the forum. Glad to have you here!

What is the ohm of your build? What batteries are you using?

 

[RoniClouds]

I just do standard dual coils, For good vapor production without running the risk of venting I use 24g A-1 Kanthal (but you have to pay attention to the length of the wire before wrapping the coils. In which case it wont matter if you do choose to use a micro coil, you'll just have to wrap it more times to get the same ohms.)

I usually wrap 24g about 5-8 times (depending on what ohms I'm looking to end up at, so different drillbit sizes come in handy), I dual coil (which I know the patriot has the space for even with 24g), and I usually land a .3 - .6 ohms (<-- corrected.)

The harshness can also boil down to your liq/mg content. Liquids with higher nic and higher PG will be less than desirable in a dripper. If you're using a liq with high VG, but it still tastes harsh, make sure nothing is obstructing your airflow in your patriot (like don't put the air hole right infront of the cotton, put it infront of the coil), and also make sure you're not over-saturating your cotton. If you have over saturated, let the coil burn some liquid off first and try again. That usually solves the issue for me. (sorry if this isn't the info you were looking for, but either way I hope I was able to help!)

 

[RoniClouds]

Also, I'd highly recommend reading up on battery safety, buy some 30amps & an ohm reader if you havent already (if you're planning to subohm),

 

[realsis]

Hi. You might want to try a micro coil. As far as resistance is concerned make sure your doing your ohms law formula so you know if your pushing your battery too far. Know your batteries amp liMIT and don't go past the limit. If you don't like math there is a wonderful app called simply ohms law and you plug in your resistance and wattage and it will tell you your volts and amps or you can plug in your resistance and volts and it will tell you your amps and wattage. Basically it does the math for you so you can vape safe. So do you know what battery your running? What is its limits? Make sure you know these things.also do you have a ohm reader? You will absolutely need a ohm reader to tell you your resistance or ohms of your build. Always be safe first. Hope this helps.

 

[iamthevoice]

I just do standard dual coils, For good vapor production without running the risk of venting I use 24g A-1 Kanthal (but you have to pay attention to the length of the wire before wrapping the coils. In which case it wont matter if you do choose to use a micro coil, you'll just have to wrap it more times to get the same ohms.)

I usually wrap 24g about 5-8 times (depending on what ohms I'm looking to end up at, so different drillbit sizes come in handy), I dual coil (which I know the patriot has the space for even with 24g), and I usually land a .03 - .06 ohms

The harshness can also boil down to your liq/mg content. Liquids with higher nic and higher PG will be less than desirable in a dripper. If you're using a liq with high VG, but it still tastes harsh, make sure nothing is obstructing your airflow in your patriot (like don't put the air hole right infront of the cotton, put it infront of the coil), and also make sure you're not over-saturating your cotton. If you have over saturated, let the coil burn some liquid off first and try again. That usually solves the issue for me. (sorry if this isn't the info you were looking for, but either way I hope I was able to help!)

Coils in the range of 0.03-0.06 are drawing more than 100 amps from your battery. Pulse ratings or not, that's far more than any battery in the 18000 series should ever have to put out...

 

[joesquid]

Think she meant .3 to .6...............that's what 5-8 wraps of 24 ga comes out to.

 

[TomGeorge]

on the congestus with dual battery set up you can run pretty much anything with good results. I would start out wit ha dual coil set up arond .6 - .8 ohms and go from there. With the dual 26650's that should still be a pretty intense vape. Watch a lot of (good) youtube videos and you should be set.

And as @RoniClouds said, you need to get an ohm meter and need to read up on battery safety. I am sure Badditude will be around to post some links soon.

 

[Kaosanddoom]

thank you everyone for the advice. i have been watching a lot of rip trippers videos on coils and coil building. I was using an 18mg juice in a tobacco flavor i got from the local vape shop. i think that is part of why this was so harsh. i have some 0mg and some 6mg that i bought today i am gonna try when i get home. i do have an ohmmeter so i will build a new set of coils and ohm them out when i got off work as well.


One other question, what does everyone recommend for wick material. I am using cotton now. The guy at the vape shop said something about organic cotton? Is that different than 100% pure cotton balls?

 

[Kaosanddoom]

here is the exact battery i am using as well.

 

[Nytebreed]

That MNKE 26650 battery has a 20amp continuious drain rating, which means you are safe at or above 0.25 ohms. It is wise to leave a bit more of a buffer for safety.

 

[RoniClouds]

Coils in the range of 0.03-0.06 are drawing more than 100 amps from your battery. Pulse ratings or not, that's far more than any battery in the 18000 series should ever have to put out...

My apologies for mis-typing. I obviously did not mean to imply I vape below .1 ohm xD let's try .3 and .6 as corrections. Didn't realize, Thanks! xDD

 

[RoniClouds]

I like japanese organic cotton. I don't remember where specifically online I order from (seeing as how a large bag supplies me for months xD)
But I tend to skip the "new cotton" taste when I rebuild with this type.

Ecowool is also quite popular, if you don't want to wait for shipping times, organic cotton from cvs/walgreens does suffice, but like I mentioned you'll have a funky taste at first (many say boiling the cotton removes this phenomenon, but I personally think the taste remains boiled or not... imo)

I wouldnt recommend silica if you can avoid it (heard nasty fiberglass rumors... something about a company in china...not really sure)

You'll notice a HUGE difference in the nic content too. I honestly mix my 6 & 0 together if the company doesn't offer a 3mg, makes it even easier to vape while still getting my nicotine. Rip trippers is a great source for learning about building, ecig safety, and all the brands out there worth knowing, but if you ever had any other specific questions, ECF has always been my go-to place

 

[Kaosanddoom]

Ok so I got this working. Built a dual sleeper macro coil. 4 mm diameter coils built good and tight from 26 gauge round kanthal a1. Came out at 1.5 ohms on the calculator. Measured at 1.55 on the ohmeter. Using dual batteries so running 7.4 volts. Comes out at 36.5 watts. These batteries are good for 40 so still safe. Don't much care for the juice I have but it's running right and doesn't taste burnt anymore.

 

[Kaosanddoom]

if anybody has any sugestions as things to try with this setup, i am still looking for something more from it. Just doesn't seem to vape as well as i thought it would.

 

[Warpigs]

Welcome to ECF!

 

[TomGeorge]

Ok so I got this working. Built a dual sleeper macro coil. 4 mm diameter coils built good and tight from 26 gauge round kanthal a1. Came out at 1.5 ohms on the calculator. Measured at 1.55 on the ohmeter. Using dual batteries so running 7.4 volts. Comes out at 36.5 watts. These batteries are good for 40 so still safe. Don't much care for the juice I have but it's running right and doesn't taste burnt anymore.

How many wraps did you have to do to accomplish this? 17? Is there really that much more room in a dripper for a 26650 mod? If so, that is pretty cool

 

[Kaosanddoom]

each coil was 25 wraps. And i had it built in a patriot, so it was in a 22mm rda. Was a big PITA to make it fit. Yesterday i upgraded to a cerberus and i like it much better for this mod. Running triple coils at 0.6 ohms. takes the same 25 wraps each. The cerberus is a 28.5mm so much more room to build.

 

[ashmili]

Hi!

Please note that i am also a new user and want to help you out of the stinkies...
Here are some links that were given to me by experienced vapers for the batteries, and yeah cotton 100% which you get at the pharmacies should do fine. i am not an expert at this. but i would suggest you to google 'Organic'

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eeper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-i.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-ii.html

Don't use batteries which are not safe, you are in US. atleast you will be able to get some genuine stuff.

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here is the exact battery i am using as well.

 

[Kaosanddoom]

according to the calculator i am using, this setup is only drawing 12.33 amps. Each battery is capable of 20 amps. So i think i am well below the limit of these batteries. If i am missing something please let me know. I made sure i checked it before i ran it, but it is always possible to make a mistake.

Edited to add, i did use my ohm meter to check the resistance before i used this build, and it did read out very close to 0.6 ohms, it was actually a few thousandths over.