New Here with Noob Questions :)

[nakz0r]

Ok so I started on the vamo and then picked up the kayfun lite a couple weeks later...

I've been rebuilding for a couple of weeks now and have decided that I absolutely love the taste of the rebuildables vs carto tanks.

Question one... I picked up the magneto mech mod and absolutely haven't had any issues with it besides constantly playing around with different builds for my kayfun. I've gotten to the point now where I've been rebuilding and noticing that my wick no longer lasts after like a couple maybe 3 refills i start to get the burnt taste and when i dis assemble its obviously burnt and shows on the coil. How much wick is too much and too less? (i use organic cotton btw) I've messed around with anywhere from .5 - 1.1 ohms. Started with a single coil 28 kanthal... to double coil... twisted 2 coils together to form one coil... even tried the clapton coil and now just rebuilt it to the chimney coil first try at 1.6 ohms so haven't burnt that yet...

Question two... So since I was at 1.6 ohms I decided to give my vamo a go with the build at 15w and I noticed that it is firing harder than my magneto, which basically makes me ask... what does the magneto fire at? How do I figure this out? Thanks anyone that can help a noob out. Would be much appreciated with any and all tips!

Stay in Dallas, TX so if yall know any good vape shops LMK!... Basically been using Artisan Vapor, and just found a neat store in Irving called Freedom Vapes as well...

That is allllll for now

 

[Huggy Bear]

The Smoktech Magneto is a mech mod, so it fires at your batteries voltage level, or 3.7 volts for a fully charged 18650 LiMn battery (which almost all are). Of course not all mechs actually fire at this voltage because there is some power loss, but you get the idea. After that you can use Ohm's Law to figure out how many watts you are getting. There are some really great forums here with alot more experienced members that dive into further details than what I can give you, so try searching for them.
Ohm's Law results:
.5 ohm resistance at 3.7v=27.38 watts at 7.4 amps - gonna drain batteries pretty quick
1.1 ohms at 3.7v=12.44 watts at 3.36 amps
1.6 ohms at 3.7v=8.55 watts at 2.31 amps
got my info by googling ohm's law calculator, sorry I can't post links yet, still a newbie. Hope this helps tho.

 

[santoki]

The Smoktech Magneto is a mech mod, so it fires at your batteries voltage level, or 3.7 volts for a fully charged 18650 LiMn battery (which almost all are). Of course not all mechs actually fire at this voltage because there is some power loss, but you get the idea. After that you can use Ohm's Law to figure out how many watts you are getting. There are some really great forums here with alot more experienced members that dive into further details than what I can give you, so try searching for them.
Ohm's Law results:
.5 ohm resistance at 3.7v=27.38 watts at 7.4 amps - gonna drain batteries pretty quick
1.1 ohms at 3.7v=12.44 watts at 3.36 amps
1.6 ohms at 3.7v=8.55 watts at 2.31 amps
got my info by googling ohm's law calculator, sorry I can't post links yet, still a newbie. Hope this helps tho.

quick note-fully charged 18650 imr batteries are actually 4.2v-you would want to recharge them at 3.7v

 

[GPC2012]

here's a calculator I found on google.

Ohm's Law Calculator
hope it helps

 

[HeiSINberg]

They also have an app for the ohms law calculator. Pretty handy, I always use mine.

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[nakz0r]

Makes sense now... So basically if i want more watts out of the mech mods its basically going to depend on the ohms thats why it crackles with the sub ohm builds ... Thanks a bunch.

 

[NealBJr]

The answer lies within the Ohms law calculator. There are several factors that make one coil work better than another. I'll try to break it down.

1) wire gauge. The thicker the wire, the more watts it takes to heat up.
2) watts. the more watts in a wire, the hotter it will get depending on wire gague.
3) resistance. This determines how the electricity flows, and is used to determine how many watts are running through the wire.
4) amps. the safety factor in how much electricity is being discharged.

Case point:

32 gague kanthal wired at 1.6 ohms (single coil) in a mech mod. Vs. a vamo at 15 watts. A fully charged battery works at 4.2 volts, and discharges slowly, so my calculations will be for a freshly charged battery. With the mech mod freshly charged, it supplies 11.025 watts of power to the wire (2.625 amps). on the vamo, you can manually set it to give 15 watts, so the vamo will kick up the voltage to 4.8 volts (@ 3 amps).. In that case, the Vamo will hit harder.

Now, let's say you wanted 1.2 ohm coil which is still int he Vamo's "safe" range

1.2 ohm in a mech mod would produce about 14.5 watts tot he coil (quite a bit), the vamo could be set at 15, so they would vape about the same.

Now, I can tell you've been watching riptrippers videos. I'm not that wild about his craziness, and call a coil what it is, it's all about how much metal there is. The higher gague wire, or more metal there is, the more watts it takes to heat up the coil. There's no magic behind one build or another, it's the simple fact of how much surface area touches eliquid, then at what temperature it heats it at. the trick is to match power to metal to suit your liking. Personally, I like 10-11 watts through a 32 gague kanthal. It's not a cloud chasing build, but it provides enough flavor and vapor to suit my needs. For kicks and grins, I have done sub ohm "power cloud" builds, and it's not a daily vape for me. besides, too much vapor hinders driving ability.

 

[nakz0r]

LOLLLLL got me with the rip trippers vids haha... i wanna chase clouds but also not have to sub ohm to do it. After cleaning my connectors my chimney build was at a 1.5 - 1.6 and vaping with my vamo today i was really satisfied with the vape taste and production. Cant really complain, but I have problems staying still and bugs me that I couldn't use my magneto so I'm going to aim for a 1.0 - 1.2 build and see if I can't get that same production out of it, getting close to where I want to be FINALLY haha. This would probably satisfy me until I can afford another mech mod lol. Thanks a bunch sir and I can agree with you on the hindering driving ability LOL...

 

[NealBJr]

Well, do what I do, use the mech mod for backup, buy a good Fasttech dripper to play around with. It's all just metal, and most designs are basically the same theory. The only bad thing about the dripper I linked, is the Allen screw heads... but at this price, you can afford to play around and not have to worry about screwing things up. As far as the Vamo goes, I only do single coil, since the MOST you can get out of a dual coil vamo is 7.5 watts per coil, which doesn't fit in with my 10 watt sweet spot.

As far as chasing clouds and not sub ohming, it's simply not going to happen with a vamo... you need a mech mod to really do it right. The vamo has a 3.5 amp limit I believe. Research your battery to find it's limits. You have the magneto, which is just as good as any other mod for vape quality. the only deciding factor for vape quality on a mech mod is the voltage drop, and a magneto doesn't have much drop. Unless the mech mod is so horribly designed wrong, I don't think you need a different mod to sub ohm. (unless yours only takes 18350's).

Just have fun with it. to me, drippers are the "experimental fun side" of my vaping. The vamo puts a limit where I can't screw up my go to device. Even though I don't have one, I'd probably recommend this to order as a "play around" device until your desired mod budget comes into play.

Oh, and just so you know, If I knew about the "clapton coil", that means I must've watched rip tripers myself. Good for a few laughs.. he tends to make things way to complicated with the "this coil and that coil" naming. I think I'll name my build the "the fat boy in a blanket" build. (I'll have to post a pic of how I build my vamo). Also, keep in mind he vapes %100 VG.. so you might get some special ejuice just for show.

 

[nakz0r]

Thanks Neal... I absolutely love my magneto... the only thing is before I knew about the ohms law and calculator... I was trying to build ridiculous things not realizing where I needed to play around for that sweet spot. I realize now exactly where I need to be. Finally got a perfect build for myself with it. Can't fool myself with what I like to vape until I get tired of it. But for now I'm absolutely in love with my .7 coil and the fact that I can vape from the time i wake up on a fully charged 18650 till the time I get off work and the drive home without any low power. I've quit smoking cigarettes for a month now and basically weaning myself off nicotine as well... 3/4 fill with 0 nicotine and 1/4 fill of 8mg nicotine. So basically I'm a cloud chaser at the moment hahaha.

I saw the nemesis mod u linked, is it worth it? I was thinking about getting that a while back but had no idea how good the mods actually are on FT since I'm kind of a "I WANT THE REAL THING" type of person. But I will definitely be looking into that dripper cause the more toys the more fun I can have overall lol. Was thinking about getting the RSST to have a secondary build for my vamo though so I can 1.2ohm it and go nuts with that too... Any suggestions? Oh and where do you get your juices? I want to play around with 100%VG for laughs and giggles...

 

[NealBJr]

Thanks Neal... I absolutely love my magneto... the only thing is before I knew about the ohms law and calculator... I was trying to build ridiculous things not realizing where I needed to play around for that sweet spot. I realize now exactly where I need to be. Finally got a perfect build for myself with it. Can't fool myself with what I like to vape until I get tired of it. But for now I'm absolutely in love with my .7 coil and the fact that I can vape from the time i wake up on a fully charged 18650 till the time I get off work and the drive home without any low power. I've quit smoking cigarettes for a month now and basically weaning myself off nicotine as well... 3/4 fill with 0 nicotine and 1/4 fill of 8mg nicotine. So basically I'm a cloud chaser at the moment hahaha.

I saw the nemesis mod u linked, is it worth it? I was thinking about getting that a while back but had no idea how good the mods actually are on FT since I'm kind of a "I WANT THE REAL THING" type of person. But I will definitely be looking into that dripper cause the more toys the more fun I can have overall lol. Was thinking about getting the RSST to have a secondary build for my vamo though so I can 1.2ohm it and go nuts with that too... Any suggestions? Oh and where do you get your juices? I want to play around with 100%VG for laughs and giggles...

I don't have that nemesis mod yet... it's in the cart, and the next time I have a vape budget, that will be on my list to get. I do have one of their Caravela clones, and I absolutely love it. My budget is quite low for vaping, so I get what I can afford to get. FT is a good supplier, but they are one of the slowest around. My views are... they're great for the mods that "get the job done". I can take my clone out, have it drop, tinker with something, and not worry that I'm drilling or sanding down something that I paid hundreds for.... The clone is $20, so it can be treated like a $20 mod. IF I don't like the color... paint it.. do whatever.. it's not anything expensive. Now, if it were an actual nemesis, I wouldn't be prone to tinker with that as much. two things I highly advocate when dealing with Fasttech:

1) read the reviews thoroughly... FT is honorable enough to let the bad reviews in with the good, so you get an honest opinion of how the mod is. They only screen for links to competitors. People there scrutinize every item, and if people post "... is this", I'd be leary about buying it.

2) don't expect to get the item for a month. That's a given. The items have to pass through several customs offices before it gets to you. That's not FastTech's doings. So, once paid, it's time to play the waiting game. That's ok if you are patient. If not, you can find other places that sell it for probably %50-%75 higher, but you'll get it MUCH sooner.

For the secondary build on the Vamo, I say try a 1.2 ohm, 32 gague microish coil. what I want to try personally, is using something like 36 gague. stuff will be super thin but will heat up super fast. I tried 26 gague on my vamo, and even at 1.4 ohms, I'd have to hold the button down for 2 seconds before it started doing anything, and when it did, the vapor was so weak, I rebuilt it after 20 minutes of trying to vape.

Juice, I go cheap as well. I do use Mt Baker Vapor, and you can customize your pg/vg ratio. In about 2 months, I will try DIY juice. I am testbedding myself by buying FLAVORS from baker vapor and adding it to existing juice to change it slightly. I will say one thing... there is such thing as too much flavor.. I put about four drops of banana flavoring in my tank that was 3/4ths full.. and man, it tasted horrible...10 drops in a 50ml bottle, and it tasted like banana.

on my lab to do list:

1: get 36 gague wire and experiment with dual coil vamo builds/CE5/mini protank rewicking
2: Get ribbon wire and experiment.
3: Get a nemesis for my Aqua and experiment with turning it into a mouth operated fog machine.
4: DIY ejuice
5: DIY E-pipe using Vamo pcb.