New Joyetech 20watt eGrip

[MrSparkle]

Found this over the Internet. Looks classy

Speaking of cool / classy, let's take a break from RBAs for a moment - thought those out there might enjoy seeing an eGrip with a skin in action. This is the textured mahogany skin from vaporskinz.com. These pics and more are also posted here.



I bought it for my first wood eGrip, which had suffered from a fall out of a coat pocket 4 days after I bought it. I had stuffed it in a hurry in a bomber jacket pocket with my wallet while unloading my car on Christmas Eve, and it fell out onto pavement after I bent over to reach stuff in the back seat, about a 3 foot fall.

The tank didn't crack, and the unit has worked flawlessly since, but the finish got chipped up in a few places, a couple tiny dents in the top cover edge, and a little scuff on the watt dial.

I want my eGrip to look nice when I show off how I quit cigs to the world (which is why I bought the second one, in wood as well). So I'm considering my first eGrip to be my "beater", as it also has the early run slightly loose fire button / watt dial issue (the second one is nice n solid). I know some will take offense at this, so sorry in advance, but I see some box and mech mods, and even some pen style PVs, as being off-putting to the public. Indeed, I had sort of a trial run with strangers in a Walgreens that I posted about a while back here that went very well.

Anyway, I wanted to stick with the wood theme, so did some research and settled on Vapor Skinz. This is a skin made from pretty thick (for a wrap / skin) 3M material that has some texture, and metallic coloring to give it depth. I took pics in different light conditions to bring that out (should take some in direct sunlight as it looks awesome).

My only problem is with the overlap / seam - I'm right-handed, and hold it with my index finger to fire, the drip tip closer to my palm. When looking down at the eGrip, the overlap / seam is always right there. In some of the pics, it's pretty apparent due to the angle of the light.

I emailed Vapor Skinz to see if they could cut custom ones, so that the overlap / seam is on the opposite side, away from constant view. I also asked if they could maybe cut it so the overlap / seam is on the side with the fill hatch, but they said it wouldn't be a good idea with it so close to the hatch door with filling / spillage, which makes sense (even though I'm pretty meticulous about filling / keeping things clean). Last I heard from VS, he was willing to cut them, but I'm in no rush to hassle him (he did say he doesn't cut the textured ones often).

So far, after about just a month with it on, it's holding up really well, showing only just the slightest bit of coming away around the fill hatch, though I think that's more due to the adhesive and the curve of the body. All the cuts are very precise. I did have a few attempts at applying at first, so the one you see in these pics are the third attempt - during those attempts the adhesive did have a chance to pull the finish from where it was already chipped, but no damage should occur should one not get it right on the first try, and remove to attempt again if the finish is intact.

The texture really helps to keep smudges hidden, and helps with grippage . Overall, at arm's length, the skin looks really good. I'd recommend at least trying one of the many choices from Vapor Skinz. Seems the two I bought (one for a spare) in the mahogany, I cleaned him out on for the time being - it's sold out.

 

[Skunkworkx]

Yes, wound under tension.
Used the screw to hold the wire and turned under constant pressure the full way and cut....first 3 are in pic. (learning curve) and center bottom one looks best (tight) leg to leg.
Pic can be saved and then opened in paint to zoom (but a lil' fuzzy)

Now I need o make a coil "tester" to pre-test/heat so I can see how it looks.

I really love this forum

 

[four2109]

With a little help from MacTechVpr and Cigatron....I came up with a jig to make some coils and it worked GREAT !!
2.4mm brazing rod and a block of wood... 28ga @ 9 wraps should be approx. 1.5ohm counting legs.
Thanks guys, now to try one out

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I'm not sure how your jig works,,, If you are just turning the block, what's with all the turns in the rod? I guess I would like to see a pic of the winding.

 

[Skunkworkx]

I'm not sure how your jig works,,, If you are just turning the block, what's with all the turns in the rod? I guess I would like to see a pic of the winding.

The wood block is just the holder. It is drilled 2.5mm to accept the 2.4mm rod.(which is removable)
The coil is wound with the wire across the top using thumb pressure for tension, the amount of turns I need, then wire cut and screw loosened. Pull the rod out of the block and slide coil off...trim legs to length needed.
I put a few bends in the rod to ease turning.

I guess a video would be better.

Kind of like this, but less complicated....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP6QO-nOnbI

 

[Rutch]

Does anyone know if the egrip rba would work in the gs air tank?

Not going to work, the eGrip RBA is way too big to fit into the tank since it replaces both the coil and the base in the eGrip.

 

[pokemom]

Not going to work, the eGrip RBA is way too big to fit into the tank since it replaces both the coil and the base in the eGrip.

Thanks!


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[redordead]

Drop one of mine earlier, smashed glass! Gutted! Ordered another 2 straight away!

 

[christianw]

i dont post on here much. but after 5 years of vaping, sometimes i feel the need to share my experience.

cutting to the chase, the egrip was a rushed, half baked product that shouldnt have been brought to market in the first place. not since my old aqua tanks or original map tank have i had a device have so many issues, leak so much, and cause so much frustration in all of my time vaping. ive gone through entire bottles of juice in less than 12 hours becaue most of it either ended up on my jeans, rolling down my hand, or on my desk.

joyetech has amazing customer service. in my case they never failed to replace a device. im on my 3rd egrip since my original purchase. first one had the usb port design problem, second one the latch for the fill door just "wore off" and refused to lock anymore after about a month of use due to cheaper metals being used.

again, joyetech has been incredibly supportive in making sure i was taken care of but after going through 15 mils of juice this morning, mostly on my desk. ive had it.

im taking this thing back where i got it. i dont expect them to replace it, im just taking it to say "take this, give it away, i dont care what you do with it. but i want it out of my effing life forever".

something ive never done in all the time i spent vaping.

im sure some of your experiences are different, and good for you. but mine hasnt, and after 3 or 4 months or however long its been since i got mine. i just dont feel like sticking with it anymore. vaping is supposed to help me stay less stressed, not be more stressed.

just throught id share my experience. but if anyone ever asked me if they should get one of these, i would have to say a resounding no, any device is going to be better than the egrip.

 

[armadillo]

I won't argue with you since your experience is your experience, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that the eGrip is a half-baked product that should not have been released. I believe that the only issue that would justify criticism is the USB port issue and that was apparently resolved even for you. So that leaves the leaking issue as the main (sole?) complaint that you have described. I am not sure whether this is something related to the RBA (you have not stated RBA use), but the original eGrip came with pretty much leak-free atomizers and the only possible source of leaks could have been the tiny built-in airhole. I have not seen many complaints about stock eGrips leaking, so I think that those are certainly not half-baked.

If indeed your problems resulted from RBA use, then one could argue that the RBA may cause some distress for users, although again there seem to be many more folks that love the RBA than those who hate it and share your experience. I have 3 eGrips and none of them have ever leaked with the stock atomizer heads. I also have 3 RBAs and 2 of my eGrips now are permanently wedded to those RBAs. Neither of those have ever leaked either. Could be that I'm extremely lucky, but may be you were extremely unlucky?

 

[MrSparkle]

vaping is supposed to help me stay less stressed, not be more stressed.

just thought id share my experience.

As well you should - folks need to know the cons as well as the pros of what they might be getting into. I kept the stress thing in that quote, because if you went through that experience as a seasoned vaper, imagine what a tenderfoot trying to quit smoking would go through, and how much of a turnoff to vaping as a whole that experience would be.

The thing I'm noting as a noob to vaping and ECF is the apparent lack of quality control across the industry, with so many folks discussing issues with so many devices. Or maybe not the lack of QC, but the variances.

Almost seems that companies, no matter what the size, just design and release product and let the consumers be the guinea pigs. So much evidence of that here on ECF. You'd think the companies would have marketing people reviewing the internet buzz about their product and / or have some feedback capability - especially the Chinese companies, where I understand around maybe, what - +90% of where the gear comes from? With the industry in its infancy, maybe they just don't realize the importance of not using customers as test subjects for revisions.

Just between the two eGrips I have, there's definite QC notability - e.g., one has the loose fire button / watt wheel issue, the other doesn't. The wood paint / finish on the first one was more satiny, and has a few blems / particles trapped in it (another reason I got the skin for it, besides the droppage). The second one, the finish is more matte, and is 99.9% perfect (for my taste / expectations). The first one, the fill hatch latches flush with the body. Second one, fill hatch latches just a bit proud. They're not perfect, and I seem to be lucky to have gotten two with no major issues.

Case in point for design / functionality is the charge port issue - I can totally see the average Joe / Joan expecting the micro USB plug to seat flush with the bottom of the device when plugging it in. "Hm, I felt the click, but that doesn't look right... give it a little more push in here, and - hey! Why did that snap and the light go out? And now - it doesn't work!?"

Joyetech being one of the major players definitely tipped my decision making in what I was considering buying - but the more I read, the more I realize that they are just as prone to QC / design issues as the next company.


In RBA news (also related to QC): stopped by Cignot today to check the alignment of the juice inlet holes on the RBA tube / chimney on the ones they had in stock.

Andrew on duty made the wise choice of not letting me pilfer through each box - so we checked two new ones, the first had two holes line up with the deck with no access for wicking with the tube / chimney seated. The second, all four holes exposed nicely with the tube / chimney seated, so I bought it.

We also looked at a RBA he had on hand out of his own kit, and his had two holes aligned with the deck, and he noted all of this to relate to customers.

So add in the two RBAs I already have that suffered the same fate - one with two holes aligned / obscured by the deck, one with all four holes exposed - and all that would prove Joyetech is not paying attention to precise indexing of threads / drilling location of holes in the RBA. They'd do well to address this and save some POed customers struggling with flooding / gurgling / leaking.

 

[Skunkworkx]

Only time I had issues with leakage was due to the way I wicked the RBA or blew into the drip tip to clear some pocket lint from the air hole in the RBA.
I carry mine in my pants pocket through all extremes of temperatures (outside in the teens - hot places at work +100* all in the same hour - day) and no leaks that I could tell.

 

[christianw]

So I went back and did exactly what I said I was going to do. I didnt want a free replacement, I just wanted it out of my life. I'm not sure if it went in the trash, or is going to be a giveaway or whatever. But its out of my life.

After trying a few things, I stuck with joyetech because of a) history and b) how great their customer service is and replaced the egrip with an ego one.

WOW

really makes me think even more that the egrip was a rushed and half baked design (with that term i mean the egrip needed at LEAST another 6 months of r&d, possibly a year.

the ego one with its low ohm coil is better than an atlantis on a dna 30/40 in every possible way. i had the chance to a/b it with the new delta tank on a vapor shark rdna 40 and at the same 27 watts the ego one puts out. the vape experience is so close, im pretty sure i would have failed a blindfold test between them.

which akes me wonder, who was the egrip for? why even bring it to market when they obviously had way more r&d and development in the pipeline with the ego one.

i really feel like it was pushed out when it was to take advantage of black friday and xmas 2014.

so those of you that were looking for something in this price point. id reccomend the ego one. from a vaping, ease of use, battery, and flavor experience. its seriously like comparing a new dodge dart to a mclaren 650. its seriously, that much better.

cheers.

 

[armadillo]

Good for you. In the end, the most important thing is that you are happy with the device you use. But your experience and preference may not necessarily be the ultimate verdict about the eGrip. If you have seen any of the reviews of this device of very experienced vapers, then you will see that the majority of them has only praise for the eGrip. I certainly am super happy with them and I am not really looking for anything else. The form factor is certainly unique and the performance of the RBA rivals the Kayfun mini. What else could I ask for? So enjoy your new ego one and try to forget the bad experience you had with the eGrip.

 

[Skunkworkx]

its seriously like comparing a new dodge dart to a mclaren 650. its seriously, that much better.

That's a bit of a stretch ....lol

But, I did just see the eGo One today on-line and may have to investigate ?
IF I known you were serious, I would have gave you my addy and $5 to ship it....damn, missed out...lol

 

[cigatron]

I never have leaking issues with the rba...ever. Not one drop and it produces better flavor and vapor density than my lemo, billow or mini subtank rtas. Can't speak to the cs wick heads as I have not used them. Most peeps here are using gs air or bvc wick heads with much success.Never heard of anyone having fill door probs, quite the opposite actually. The usb prob has been fixed. But yeah, I get it, it's not for everyone.

 

[Cellodick]

So I went back and did exactly what I said I was going to do. I didnt want a free replacement, I just wanted it out of my life. I'm not sure if it went in the trash, or is going to be a giveaway or whatever. But its out of my life.

After trying a few things, I stuck with joyetech because of a) history and b) how great their customer service is and replaced the egrip with an ego one.

WOW

really makes me think even more that the egrip was a rushed and half baked design (with that term i mean the egrip needed at LEAST another 6 months of r&d, possibly a year.

the ego one with its low ohm coil is better than an atlantis on a dna 30/40 in every possible way. i had the chance to a/b it with the new delta tank on a vapor shark rdna 40 and at the same 27 watts the ego one puts out. the vape experience is so close, im pretty sure i would have failed a blindfold test between them.

which akes me wonder, who was the egrip for? why even bring it to market when they obviously had way more r&d and development in the pipeline with the ego one.

i really feel like it was pushed out when it was to take advantage of black friday and xmas 2014.

so those of you that were looking for something in this price point. id reccomend the ego one. from a vaping, ease of use, battery, and flavor experience. its seriously like comparing a new dodge dart to a mclaren 650. its seriously, that much better.

cheers.

The fresh ego one with a .5ohm coil is putting out more than 27 watts, that's why it felt so good. Try that RDNA at 35 watts! With the same atty.
The ego one is also not regulated, so that great Vape will diminish as the battery drains. I've also heard quite a few stories of gurgling attys.
Comparing the ego one to a dna 40 regulated device is as crazy and totally ridiculous as comparing a Dodge Dart to a Mclaren. I can't believe you went with joyetech again after such a terrible and harrowing experience .......and five years of vaping.
I will be looking forward to your stories of pain in the ego one threads. I do wish you as much "luck" as I have had with my egrip.

 

[armadillo]

Let me add that you may not be very happy with a tank that holds just 1.8 mL (half of what the eGrip offers). As I said, whatever floats your boat. Best of luck to you.

 

[vjdossey]

... thankfully my egrip had been absolutely amazing...

Tonight I finally cranked my egrip up and had a bit of fun... filled my room with clouds and called the fiancé in to see... His eyes got HUGE. all I could do was smile and smile... So much fun!!! I love my egrip... it's time to rewick, hopefully I'll get done just as well this go round!!!

 

[four2109]

Mine has been popping lately. Not sure why. Right at the beginning of a draw. Maybe not enough wick. Works great other than that.

 

[MrSparkle]

Cross-referencing from the Cignot eGrip thread for convenience:

So have you noticed any differences in behavior between the one with all four juice holes accessible to wicking and the one where two holes are blocked by the screw posts?

Yep. eGrip #1 has the RBA where two juice inlet holes are blocked from wicking by the screw posts / deck when the RBA tube / chimney is tightened down - and it gurgles a bit at the start of the draw, I'd say 75% of the time. Again, I'm using 100% VG, so I would imagine folks using thinner PG are having it worse.

eGrip #2 has an RBA where all four juice inlet holes are accessible to wicking when the RBA tube / chimney is tight. No gurgles.

Can you take a pic of the one that is how it should be so I can check mine. I know it's been explained but for me pics are so helpful

A picture's a thousand words, of which I am soooo guilty of



This is where the juice inlet holes should be, ideally (IMO). This is the new one I bought today, after inspection before purchase at Cignot. The RBA in eGrip #2 is identical. I hope there's enough detail in these pics, they get sized down / low rezzed on upload to the forum.

Anything else, where the holes are aligned behind the screw posts / deck, aren't going to have wicking touching the holes directly when the wick is saturated. Unless someone gets super fussy / dexterous with a needle or something to get what little wicking would fit between the tube and the post. And if these holes aren't lined up right, that might explain all the gurgling / flooding / leaking / poor performance in general folks are having, and would imagine made worse the thinner the juice is / harder the draw.

Sorry if I missed it, cig - you try the sanding of the bottom end of the tube trick yet? I figured just looking for one with the right alignment out of the box was better, in case sanding brought the height of the tube down enough to degrade the seal at the top of the RBA cap to the air tube through the tank. I suppose there might be enough thread in the base body itself to crank down with to make up for that, though.


I do have to add that while initially, I was turned off by tube mods - but every time I've been in Cignot, the eGo ONE has been becoming more and more attractive. When more flush with cash I might get one and find out what all this sub ohm business is about, anyway