New Kanger Box Mod- The Subox

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Hmmm maybe just maybe I'll buy a kit. Have a back up mod. But I'm expecting the mini 2 to last for a while. At least I hope it lasts quite a while. Is there an expected failure dates for mods of this style?


Some say to expect about a year out of them but with a little love and the occasional repair I think they will last a long time. I have beat the .... out of my kbox and it hasn't ever had any kind of problem. The only repair I've heard anyone making on them is replacing the pin and it's a relatively easy procedure.

With the tanks they require an O-ring change out from time to time but other than that they seem to last forever.
 

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Where are you guys seeing the subox for $20? Most of the preorders I've seen are $50-65. Kbox for $20, I can see... but not the new ones coming in the 2nd or 3rd week of June.

They aren't selling the box by itself yet so it is just speculation that they will be in the $25 range once they sell the box separate from the tank. So to answer your question we aren't seeing them for that anywhere yet we just hope we will soon.
 
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Unrelated question...Do the local B&M's in your area charge like double retail price? I'll see something online for like 10 dollars off retail and figure it's worth the ten bucks to get it immediately but then go to the shop and they want way over retail. I can't think of any other industry where stores charge over retail. I often notice that if the shops are paying the exact same price I do online they are still making almost double on every sale.
I totally hear you there. There are a couple around here that sell things like coils, drip tips, and smaller stuff at that "a bit more than online pricing/instant gratification markup" calculated in. 9.6% sales tax being a factor as well. Interestingly, this really small joint that opened up here recently is claiming to online price match. But doesn't have super recent product in stock. For instance, he had the Kbox, but only in silver. Had he stocked black, I probably would be vaping it as I type.

I guess the old adage still holds true. Patience is a virtue.
 

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Where are you guys seeing the subox for $20? Most of the preorders I've seen are $50-65. Kbox for $20, I can see... but not the new ones coming in the 2nd or 3rd week of June.
That'll make the cost of my Subox 25.00. It's worth 5 bux more than the Kbox, imo. (fixed pin notwithstanding)
My apologies if that was worded unclearly. I was just explaining my rational for pre-ordering a kit as opposed to waiting for the separate units to be available. If the Subox mod does come out to retail for 25.00, I might be kicking myself. Lol
 
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I totally hear you there. There are a couple around here that sell things like coils, drip tips, and smaller stuff at that "a bit more than online pricing/instant gratification markup" calculated in. 9.6% sales tax being a factor as well. Interestingly, this really small joint that opened up here recently is claiming to online price match. But doesn't have super recent product in stock. For instance, he had the Kbox, but only in silver. Had he stocked black, I probably would be vaping it as I type.

I guess the old adage still holds true. Patience is a virtue.


Yeah I need a place that will price match, not even the best price online but at least the average. New shops pop up weekly out here and I always open with the question "how much are your kanger subtanks" usually like 50-60 and then I leave. I don't want another subtank but I know if they are charging double for them I don't want to engage in a deeper discussion. If I lead with a discussion on RDA's or mods they go into used car salesman mode and it takes like an hour to get out of there.
 

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Unrelated question...Do the local B&M's in your area charge like double retail price? I'll see something online for like 10 dollars off retail and figure it's worth the ten bucks to get it immediately but then go to the shop and they want way over retail. I can't think of any other industry where stores charge over retail. I often notice that if the shops are paying the exact same price I do online they are still making almost double on every sale.

I think that's common. Dissapointing. They always blame overhead and true, there are additional costs but that's true for any industry. Few shops seem to integrate both physical store and online presence well - and they need both to really stay competitive. I've always chalked it up to the fact many shops were started by people who had no prior business experience. I don't think the same can be said anymore.

The small, single stores also have a smaller margin to work with. 10 units doesn't give them much profit, unlike 1,000 units will cut the price by more than half. That's true for any industry. It's hard to find small mom and pop shops because of that.
 

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The small, single stores also have a smaller margin to work with. 10 units doesn't give them much profit, unlike 1,000 units will cut the price by more than half. That's true for any industry. It's hard to find small mom and pop shops because of that.

Good point. I guess it is also hard because the industry moves so fast. Having a large stock is going to kill you if the new model comes out a month later. Not to mention how many products there are in this industry. Even having one of everything would require a huge store.
 

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Yeah I need a place that will price match, not even the best price online but at least the average. New shops pop up weekly out here and I always open with the question "how much are your kanger subtanks" usually like 50-60 and then I leave. I don't want another subtank but I know if they are charging double for them I don't want to engage in a deeper discussion. If I lead with a discussion on RDA's or mods they go into used car salesman mode and it takes like an hour to get out of there.

"Used car salesman mode" LOL! Yes. I''ve seen that and it's usually gear I have no interest in. Nothing wrong with what they are trying to sell me, but I'm not into power vaping and I get the feeling some want to convert me into this religon of building my own coils. Not happening. I know me. I will never have the "extra" time to sit and wrap coils. I'll make earrings first.

It depends on what your looking for too. Remember, there is MAP pricing agreements on a lot of brands and they can't advertise a price lower than a specific amount. I've found that most shops will take an offer lower in the store, face to face. It depends on stock too. If it's something that hard to stay in stock, then no, there's probably no deal. But I've experience at least a 10% price reduction after talking awhile.
 

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They aren't selling the box by itself yet so it is just speculation that they will be in the $25 range once they sell the box separate from the tank.

Heaven Gifts lists KIT $77.50 and KBox Mini Mod $42.90.

Thus (doing the math)...I agree...a site that currently has the KIT for $49.29...should (eventually) have the KBox Mini Mod for around $27...

$49.29
 

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I do like his reviews but idk about some of his opinions on things. Like the "would I buy it again?" bit that he does. Seems like he would buy everything again idk. Even when he did the Kbox. Like come on man you wouldn't buy that again sheesh. Maybe if he said something like "Personally I would not buy it again but can see how it appeals to some people" would make more sense.

ETA and ya the Evic is fugly especially compared to the subox combo
But...you actually see him using the Kbox in his other videos to try out RDAs. I love my Kbox. It is a tank.
 

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Guys, first actual look at this puppy! Couple of troubling things .... White one seems to have some build issues ... The ceramic coating seems to be flaking. Atleast in this case it does for the white tank....
The vid is 11:39 and if you wanna skip past most of the video being the unboxing, he discusses the paint around the 8:20 mark......Here ya go
 

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Good point. I guess it is also hard because the industry moves so fast. Having a large stock is going to kill you if the new model comes out a month later. Not to mention how many products there are in this industry. Even having one of everything would require a huge store.

Shops get burned by manufacturers worse than we do in some cases. I think it was the Protank 2 with "removeable drip tip" and when it arrived, the drip tip wasn't removeable. Everything else was upgraded - Kanger called it Protank 1.5. All these shops were prepared to sell at full retail and instead, had a product they had to discount to near wholesale immediatley. The Protank 2 shipped a week later, which of course they didn't have orders in for any longer. The stock issues are bizarre. One retailer said that they would have no idea what they were getting until they opened the box - and that was true. Crazy.

IPV2 mini came out within 2 weeks of the previous IPV mini. Suddenly the first is old news that probably should go on sale. No business can budget around that.

"Kangerized" is a verb. They short an order, then agree to make up for the short in the next order. Chinese thinking this is a way to keep shops ordering from them.
 
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The small, single stores also have a smaller margin to work with. 10 units doesn't give them much profit, unlike 1,000 units will cut the price by more than half. That's true for any industry. It's hard to find small mom and pop shops because of that.
Yeah, the owner of the price match shop I mentioned is a really likable fellow, too. I worry that with his policy, he won't be able to stay in business.
 

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If the pin in the base isn't pushed up enough it will not make contact with the bottom of the RBA (which is just slightly shorter that the bottom of the OCC head). Soft spring loaded 510's, like those in the rDNA40, don't put enough pressure on the base pin to push it up enough. A fixed pin, or fairly stiff spring loaded pin, will have no problems.

Ah, the light bulb moment. That explains why I could never get my rDNA40 to recognize my Subtank Mini with the nickel OCC, and yet it works fine on my SX Mini and the rDNA40 doesn't have a problem with recognizing my drippers, or any of my Aspire tanks.
 

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So far in the two videos all the issues have been with the white models. Small gap in the battery compartment and flaking of the paint. Perhaps my choice to go with black was a wise choice.

The new video is really good, the first one drove me crazy watching the guy unbox it for 10 minutes.
 

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Yeah, the owner of the price match shop I mentioned is a really likable fellow, too. I worry that with his policy, he won't be able to stay in business.

There's more than one way of making money in a shop. He can view you as an investment as a repeat customer too. It's a two way street in small business.
 

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There's more than one way of making money in a shop. He can view you as an investment as a repeat customer too. It's a two way street in small business.
Tru dat. He's also experimenting with his own line of juices. So, fingers crossed!
 
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