New Njoy film short.
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It was being discussed earlier this year in various state-specific threads on the Legislation board; I'm sure they're easy enough to find. As far as non-ECF sources, Mr. Godshall would probably be the one to ask about that.
If these high-falutin, artsy-fartsy "creations" come in under $3 a bottle then count me in and color me sophisticated!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-preparation-fda-e-cig-regs.html#post11399907
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...fda-regulation-e-cigarettes.html#post10201147
Part of the perception of njoy at one time was influenced by the fact that they picked up Pinney Associates (a former BP lobbying firm - who Mitch Zeller worked for) and Pinney's comments to the FDA deeming wasn't that positive, but NJoy's comments at that point in time were more positive to the entire ecig business.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ed-upon-scientific-evidence.html#post12794709
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...es-down-1-billion-us-year-3.html#post14193090
Pinney Associates, Inc. to Consult for NJOY, Inc., to Promote Public Health - PinneyAssociates – Pharmaceutical Risk Management, Consumer Health, and Biologics
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...fda-regulation-e-cigarettes.html#post10201147
Part of the perception of njoy at one time was influenced by the fact that they picked up Pinney Associates (a former BP lobbying firm - who Mitch Zeller worked for) and Pinney's comments to the FDA deeming wasn't that positive, but NJoy's comments at that point in time were more positive to the entire ecig business.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ed-upon-scientific-evidence.html#post12794709
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...es-down-1-billion-us-year-3.html#post14193090
Pinney Associates, Inc. to Consult for NJOY, Inc., to Promote Public Health - PinneyAssociates – Pharmaceutical Risk Management, Consumer Health, and Biologics
I have no sources either but not because they don't exist. I'm just too lazy to find them.
But the gist is true. NJOY was indeed lumped in with BT whether they wanted that association or not. Bringing the FDA to their knees single-handedly in 2010 gave them many seats at many tables. And at those tables they provided plenty of political lip service in an effort to appease those with power and provide vaping legitimacy to them and them alone.
Now all that has seemed to change and I for one am glad to ride their coat tails.
So they welcome regulations. Not sure how that equates to they want all e-cigs and tanks except theirs banned, but hyperbole most often supersedes fact...
Just posting the links that could have been interpreted (and was so interpreted, by some, not me so much...) as NJoy not totally being 'on our side' at one point in time. Currently, I don't think that is the case. I take it from your quick response, you didn't read the Pinney comments to the FDA or the NJoy one either. That's ok with me, just noting it.
I didn't see anything in the links provided about NJOY being against re-fillables... They welcome some form of regulation...
Njoy came from their NJOY PRO into the NJOY KING. That was their big intro back into the ecig market. They priced themselves out of the market with a fantastic "2 pack" device that lasted 2 hours @$6.00 ea. They were great, as an intro, but who is going to pay that?
My concern is and will always be, coming from big tobacco, what is in the device/liquid? I love the Njoy Kings! I won't pay their price for them. More than that, I want to know what is in them. I was amazed, no, shocked at the first hit from my first Njoy King. It wasn't just nicotine.
BT added chemicals to make cigarettes more addictive. Why? Because nicotine alone isn't that addictive. BT will use the same tactics in e-liquid as they used in cigarettes. The only hope we have in regulation is to limit the additives in the e-liquids.
In the early 80's I quit smoking in 2 days. Done. I couldn't stand the smell of a cigarette.
I started again in the late 80's and when I tried to quit in the mid 90's, the cravings never subsided. Never. My brain was re-wired. It's never been the same.
I want regulation to say nothing but tobacco in cigarettes, nothing but tobacco in e-liquid. Period. Add you own flavoring or buy it from a supplier.
If the FDA wants to do something, they should ban all additives from tobacco products. A cigarette should be a cigarette. Period. See how many kids smoke them then.
It's not so much the additives that are the problem, at least in terms of adverse health effects. It's the irradiated soil in which American cigarette tobacco is grown, which results in irradiated tobacco, which results in an incidence of smoking-related cancers among American smokers (and anyone else who smokes American cigarettes) that's higher than that of any other country.
I used to stuff my own with organic, no added chemicals, flavorings/ preservatives tobacco. They were actually stronger and had more nicotine than any commercial cigarettes...
So you think only liquid nicotine should be available? No flavors? I buy from trusted vendors. If there were nefarious chemicals in e-liquid, it would have been in the news by now. I know if I were against e-cigarettes I would have e-liquid tested from lots of vendors hoping to find 'secret' additives or harmful substances- like in custards and publish the results if they suited my needs.
The paradigm that governs cigarette sales just can't be applied to e-cig and e-liquid sales, and if we get into the whole "any tobacco company-made product is poison because it's made by a tobacco company" game, then we're guilty of the same magical-thinking fallacies that people like Stan Glantz make their living on.
Cigarettes are a product with the potential to sicken and kill people no matter how conscientiously they're manufactured. That makes them fundamentally different from vapor products. The maker of an inherently non-harmful product (whether or not they're a tobacco company) has nothing to gain by intentionally making it harmful. On the other hand, the maker of an inherently harmful product, that people already know is bad for them, has something to gain by making it more enticing to the customer.
It is those who have no idea what they are putting in their e-liquid or in what concentrations that I would be worried about, not those with a nefarious agenda...
Did you all really miss the tobacco trials?? Do you not get that BT added chemicals to make cigarettes MORE addictive because nicotine wasn't addictive enough? They added chemicals to cross the blood brain barrier to give you that hit and make you want more and that doesn't piss you off??
There is nothing in ecigs that will stop BT from the same tactics they have used before unless they are prohibited from adding anything to tobacco products.
Can do this through genetic modification? I don't know. But don't you care?
Can do this through genetic modification? I don't know. But don't you care?
If you're going to descend into emotional hysterics, I'm not going to have a discussion with you.
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