Well to be honest the friend of mine who does this for me uses whats known as a knife makers kiln and can be purchased on eBay for around $300.00 if you want one yourself... I asked him about the temp specs and time frame and those were the numbers he gave me for his process... Hopefully he will be around in the next few days and can answer in detail the other concerns you have... I do know it can all be heated at once and put back on the spool no problem... but for any other details I couldnt honestly tell you as I am not the Kiln master myself just lucky to have a buddy who can treat it for me...
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Brilliant Mr K.
Although I really don't see myself purchasing a kiln any time soon, I appreciate the information.
Looking forward to having the Kiln Master answer my concerns.
Thanks again Mr K!
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Although I really don't see myself purchasing a kiln any time soon, I appreciate the information.
Looking forward to having the Kiln Master answer my concerns.
Thanks again Mr K!
Peace-
Sorry I couldnt answer all of your concerns myself in regards to the Kiln process but I have never been one to give uneducated information or advice... but there is no reason you cant try a small portion of the Nextel using the torch and soak method... I have used a stove burner to heat treat the Nextel myself and this worked fine as well to burn off the sizing material which is the only reason we need to to heat treat the Nextel before vaping with it...
Sounds like a plan Mr. K. I'LLC give the the ol' torch & wash a go.
As you stated in you prior post - yes safety is the primary as well as the essense of flavor.
I will be sure to post back with encouraging or funkadelik results.
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As you stated in you prior post - yes safety is the primary as well as the essense of flavor.
I will be sure to post back with encouraging or funkadelik results.
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Rick.45cal has posted a bunch of info on heat treating. Unfortunatly I don't have his directions right off the top of my head but he mentioned treating it in layers more layers = more time. I would recommend possibly PMing him.
Mr. K,
You got me to thinking about that kiln idea to cure the Nextel wick (sleeving) material. My first thought brought me back to being in the 4th grade making ceramic wall hangings, a pot holder and an ash tray. Then I got to thinking.... where the hell could I find a kiln...??? They can't be cheap. Its not like a common household appliance where you can just run to an appliance store and get one. (Although it wouldn't surprise me if Sears carried them)
So I did a search on pottery classes in my area and I found a few. Going to give a few places a call tomorrow and see if they would "do the right thing" and hook me up by kilning my string. I don't think it should cost anything to have done.
I figured if there was a pottery school nearby, I could just ask them if they wouldn't mind heating up some string for me.
Just a few questions, being as you stated that you have experience with this process.
I wrote down the temperatures and time that you suggested.
1) Can anything else be in the kiln while the wick is heating / curing? Like pottery... I guess? or does the wick need to be kilned pure - stand alone?
2) What type of surface should the Nextel be heated / cured on? (Meaning not to have anything unsavory absorb into the material while being treated).
3) If I get the nod from one of these fine folks, can I heat / cure the whole spool at once and rewind it back on the spool until ready for use? Or is this a kiln as needed process?
I have a spool with approximately 20' - 25' of material. I would imagine that that the material would have to be unspooled and laid out like a long piece of spaghetti. Am I correct in my assumption?
4) What would I look for to assure that this was done correctly? Is there like a litmus test or PH test or something, texture of the material, color and smell?
I never imagined my vaping experience to be that of a treasure hunter..... long story - most of my quest to kick start my vaping career leaks out across the boards of the ECF forum over the last couple of weeks.
Anyhow... thanks again in advance for your input.
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SuperSonic,
I'm the guy that does the proper (as detailed by 3M) heat treatment process to the Nextel for Mr Krinkle. This is the heat treatment not the "heat cleaning" that 3M details for removing the sizing, the heat treatment process actually changes the molecular structure of the ceramic fibers.
I fire entire spools at a time, I just unwind it, place it in the kiln (I just put mine on the floor of my knife makers kiln in a big loose coil)
The kiln is allowed to heat up, as soon as the temperature reaches 1652 F the timer is started, it MUST stay between 1652F-1724F for one hour. After that the kiln is turned off and allowed to cool (Don't open it until it is cool.) I have never fired the nextel for longer than an hour, though in their bulk materials firing description 3M recommends an extended period of firing for anything over a 1/4" thick (I honestly can't regurgitate that info from memory but it is multiple hours) So you should be able to fire it for longer periods (if the potter is firing other things, it's going to be longer than an hour) You just need to make sure he is firing somewhere inside that temp range, Otherwise you are going to have to fire it alone. Most likely they will charge you to fire it regardless.
If you are thinking about getting a "cheap" kiln look at knife makers kilns for heat treating steel. Ones without a controller are about the "cheapest" you can get.
Hope this helps
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Thank you Rick aka "The Kiln Master" for your time to explain, the cool pic 
and the information regarding an "affordable" kiln.
When you can, what is the difference between "Heat Cleaning" and "Heat Treating". I would venture to guess the obvious between cleaning and heating.
Also you stated 3M. Is that the company that manufactures the Nextel? - I was reading some information on the Nextel up on the Omega site.
I'll have to look at the 3M information as well.
I'm only almost a month into my vaping career and I'm thoroughly educating myself with as much proper information as I can.
I really appreciate your input and Mr K's as well as everyone else that has greater knowledge than I do in some areas, for passing it on. I do the same with what I learn.
I guess until I get a better handle on this Nextel wicking material, I'll stick with the standard COV Ody wick. I would rather have the peace of mind in knowing exactly how safe what I'm putting into my body is.
Have a great day!
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and the information regarding an "affordable" kiln.When you can, what is the difference between "Heat Cleaning" and "Heat Treating". I would venture to guess the obvious between cleaning and heating.
Also you stated 3M. Is that the company that manufactures the Nextel? - I was reading some information on the Nextel up on the Omega site.
I'll have to look at the 3M information as well.
I'm only almost a month into my vaping career and I'm thoroughly educating myself with as much proper information as I can.
I really appreciate your input and Mr K's as well as everyone else that has greater knowledge than I do in some areas, for passing it on. I do the same with what I learn.
I guess until I get a better handle on this Nextel wicking material, I'll stick with the standard COV Ody wick. I would rather have the peace of mind in knowing exactly how safe what I'm putting into my body is.
Have a great day!
Peace-
No worries SuperSonic!
The difference between heat cleaning and heat treating is the heat cleaning, only removes the organic sizing on the nextel, the fibers remain unchanged from their original state. The heat treating (hardening) process actually changes the ceramic fibers from a non-vitreous (water permeable) state to a vitreous ceramic (not permeable by water) essentially making the ceramic completely inert, and increasing the rockwell hardness.
3M is the manufacturer of Nextel 312, there is lots of info: Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) are available online in PDF form for Nextel products. Research is always a good thing!
---Rick
The difference between heat cleaning and heat treating is the heat cleaning, only removes the organic sizing on the nextel, the fibers remain unchanged from their original state. The heat treating (hardening) process actually changes the ceramic fibers from a non-vitreous (water permeable) state to a vitreous ceramic (not permeable by water) essentially making the ceramic completely inert, and increasing the rockwell hardness.
3M is the manufacturer of Nextel 312, there is lots of info: Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) are available online in PDF form for Nextel products. Research is always a good thing!
---Rick
Good to see a detailed tutorial for kiln firing Nextel! I'd love to see an official Nextel discussion sticky! One location with kiln firing instructions, ceramic mods, and coil variants would be awesome and really useful.
I agree RW. As I stated in a previous post, I'm going to do more homework along with the fantastic information provided by Rick & Mr. K.
I'm really diggin' all the nuances for a wide array of advanced vaping experiences.
The way I see it, as I'm sure a lot of advanced Vapers do, I want full control over my entire vaping experiences, from the mod itself, the atomizer, the tank, the nicotine level, the purity of the ejuice flavoring, etc.... to the way its actually being vaped.
Perhaps a bit eccentric, as my girl would say, in my quest for knowledge and practice.
I read an excellent post by Madshock .... hmmm somewhere ... got to find it again, about wrapping / flashing mesh on an Odysseus wick, like the Genesis I believe, and he's claiming to have a great vaping experience. I asked him to post additional information when he needs to rebuild again and he said he would put a little tutorial together with some instructions and pics. Looking forward to trying this mod.
Here's the link to the post if you're interested
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/238074-odysseus-official-389.html#post5696053
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I'm really diggin' all the nuances for a wide array of advanced vaping experiences.
The way I see it, as I'm sure a lot of advanced Vapers do, I want full control over my entire vaping experiences, from the mod itself, the atomizer, the tank, the nicotine level, the purity of the ejuice flavoring, etc.... to the way its actually being vaped.
Perhaps a bit eccentric, as my girl would say, in my quest for knowledge and practice.
I read an excellent post by Madshock .... hmmm somewhere ... got to find it again, about wrapping / flashing mesh on an Odysseus wick, like the Genesis I believe, and he's claiming to have a great vaping experience. I asked him to post additional information when he needs to rebuild again and he said he would put a little tutorial together with some instructions and pics. Looking forward to trying this mod.
Here's the link to the post if you're interested
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/238074-odysseus-official-389.html#post5696053
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Looks promising, but I think having a silica wick at in your coil at all defeats the purpose of the mesh a little, but I'm just speculating. Definitely checkout mesh in the iAtty though, it's the only way I've been using my iAtty since I got it practically and it's really incredible.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/183205-iatty-184.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/183205-iatty-184.html
After all, I guess in the grand scheme of things, good mods become great mods from trial and error / trial and success!
Safety always comes first.... but in a controlled environment in order to exceed to a higher level, one needs to push the envelope to get through to the other side....
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Safety always comes first.... but in a controlled environment in order to exceed to a higher level, one needs to push the envelope to get through to the other side....
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