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New Provari V2 reveals the Lava Tube to be... well, crap!
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Now that's a good value for your money! My madvapes vv box has no trouble keeping up with the provari! It holds it's voltage and doesn't drop underload. Best $35 I ever spent
I considered a box mod from MadVapes as I have bought a lot of stuff there..but when I priced it out it was going to cost more than a LT especially if I wanted the $43 one with the meter..price in a charger and 2 sets of batteries and it's easy to go over the $59.99 I paid for my LT.
I could have bought the Regulator board kit for $8, A voltage display off eBay for $4 some other stuff and built one myself out of a nice flashlight but it still wouldn't have saved much with batteries and charger..now if I bought my own buck-boost regulator and built it I might be able to save a little plus build a device close to the Provari/LT.
My LT does just fine regulating within hundredths of volts to the amp limit and I haven't noticed voltage drops. In over a month my bottom cap hasn't come off but I know it's possible as it isn't designed to be on there tight because it's a blowout plug..anyways you can buy new end caps for them for a few dollars.
BTW a lot of voltage regulators don't keep exact voltage but a range with only exact voltages needed with more sensitive devices but e cigs are not sensitive devices and I doubt most would notice much change outside hitting the amp limit without reading someone saying it doesn't regulate or reading it on a meter.
But as I said mine isn't really off and I suspect others might not be off but they just read it was. I'm sure some are too because of mass production or other issues that might not be the device itself like batteries. Another issue that can happen with these tube mods is a bad connection with the cap but that issue isn't only the LT. Anyways I've been very happy with my LT as have a lot of others on these forums.
Variable voltage mod $59.99 +$ 3 shipping (I believe free over $100 spent there)..he ships fast I ordered mine on a Friday night he sent it Saturday morning and I got it Monday..but it's less than 500 miles from where I live..he is a small vendor and he used to build and sell the copper mod...
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Some people vape juice and some people vape volts. I don't particularly care if, after 8 hours of heavy vaping, I have to push the + button once or twice. I also use 2.0-2.4ohm cartos and if someone has a problem keeping them at 3.9V, they have a defective unit or something. I also don't understand how someone can complain about the LT adjusting down even though it isn't displaying it on the screen. Was this a surprise? Did you do no research first? If I'm running a 2ohm carto, I don't particularly care that it's displaying 6V instead of 5. I don't vape numbers.
I have to admit to feeling a bit resentful of the OPs attitude. On one hand, he claims he doesn't want to start a war with LT owners. Yet his overall tone is that the only reason anyone is satisfied with the LT is because they're stupid. They're just naive and walking in darkness. They've never held the holy Provari and, until they do, they'll never see the light and realize what dumbasses they've been and how they've been duped. This is the most arrogant form of fanboyism there is and it seems to be endemic among Provari owners.
I've used a Provari. It's a fine machine. It has a few things I don't care for, not least of which is the klutzy menu system which, for me is a pain because I vape taste, not volts and I like to vary the voltage quickly and easily without looking. But I understand the compulsion to defend a $200 PV purchase. Why do you think certain cars always come out on top in initial satisfaction surveys? It isn't because they are superior cars. It's because people have an inherent resistance to criticizing something they've paid dearly for. Anyone who knows anything about psychology and marketing is very familiar with the phenomenon. It's so common and well known that there's even a name for it that escapes me at the moment. Scamsters and con-men take advantage of this phenomenon all the time. They are fully aware that the worse someone gets ripped off, the less likely they are to admit it. Rip off someone for $5 and they'll shout it out to the world. Rip them off for $10,000 and they'll try every way to Sunday to convince themselves they aren't possibly dumb enough to get taken that badly.
Now, before the Provari owners get all butthurt, I'm not saying the Provari is a scam or a ripoff. Not at all. I'm just pointing out a well known psychological phenomenon that applies to ALL high end products. Like I said, it's a fine machine. But I'm convinced that the price is a major factor in the obnoxious degree of fanboyism, which is all out of proportion to any objective assessment of it. To expect a Provari owner to admit a shortcoming, no matter what it is, goes against human psychology. If the Provari cost the same as the LT, I will guarantee you that owners would be far more forthcoming about it's peccadilloes.
It's funny, I don't hear this criticism of not holding voltage with the Buzzpro. I hear no complaints that you never know what voltage you're vaping at. How do you even know if it's holding its voltage, or for how long? Do Buzzpro owners have such refined senses that they'd notice a 0.05V drop? No. They take it on faith because they saw some tests somewhere. They could have defective units or a defective battery and they'd never even know it. Meanwhile, they set their units by taste and they're perfectly happy never really knowing for sure what voltage they're vaping at any given moment. Truth be told, if they lost an entire volt as the battery drained, they'd simply spin that dial a bit more and happily go on vaping. In the end, people people don't vape volts. It doesn't matter one whit what that display is showing, as long as the PV delivers the voltage that provides the vape that makes you happy an does it consistently enough that any variations are not noticeable. 99.5% of the time, the LT does that just fine.
I have to admit to feeling a bit resentful of the OPs attitude. On one hand, he claims he doesn't want to start a war with LT owners. Yet his overall tone is that the only reason anyone is satisfied with the LT is because they're stupid. They're just naive and walking in darkness. They've never held the holy Provari and, until they do, they'll never see the light and realize what dumbasses they've been and how they've been duped. This is the most arrogant form of fanboyism there is and it seems to be endemic among Provari owners.
I've used a Provari. It's a fine machine. It has a few things I don't care for, not least of which is the klutzy menu system which, for me is a pain because I vape taste, not volts and I like to vary the voltage quickly and easily without looking. But I understand the compulsion to defend a $200 PV purchase. Why do you think certain cars always come out on top in initial satisfaction surveys? It isn't because they are superior cars. It's because people have an inherent resistance to criticizing something they've paid dearly for. Anyone who knows anything about psychology and marketing is very familiar with the phenomenon. It's so common and well known that there's even a name for it that escapes me at the moment. Scamsters and con-men take advantage of this phenomenon all the time. They are fully aware that the worse someone gets ripped off, the less likely they are to admit it. Rip off someone for $5 and they'll shout it out to the world. Rip them off for $10,000 and they'll try every way to Sunday to convince themselves they aren't possibly dumb enough to get taken that badly.
Now, before the Provari owners get all butthurt, I'm not saying the Provari is a scam or a ripoff. Not at all. I'm just pointing out a well known psychological phenomenon that applies to ALL high end products. Like I said, it's a fine machine. But I'm convinced that the price is a major factor in the obnoxious degree of fanboyism, which is all out of proportion to any objective assessment of it. To expect a Provari owner to admit a shortcoming, no matter what it is, goes against human psychology. If the Provari cost the same as the LT, I will guarantee you that owners would be far more forthcoming about it's peccadilloes.
It's funny, I don't hear this criticism of not holding voltage with the Buzzpro. I hear no complaints that you never know what voltage you're vaping at. How do you even know if it's holding its voltage, or for how long? Do Buzzpro owners have such refined senses that they'd notice a 0.05V drop? No. They take it on faith because they saw some tests somewhere. They could have defective units or a defective battery and they'd never even know it. Meanwhile, they set their units by taste and they're perfectly happy never really knowing for sure what voltage they're vaping at any given moment. Truth be told, if they lost an entire volt as the battery drained, they'd simply spin that dial a bit more and happily go on vaping. In the end, people people don't vape volts. It doesn't matter one whit what that display is showing, as long as the PV delivers the voltage that provides the vape that makes you happy an does it consistently enough that any variations are not noticeable. 99.5% of the time, the LT does that just fine.
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Wow, I just have to disagree with you all of the way around. Maybe the more expensive cars get better ratings because they are made better. Maybe I want my machine to do what it says it is doing. Maybe I want to know what voltage it is running at. There is no compulsion to defend either the Provari or any other vaping item or automobile. I know what I want a machine to do and like to be able to tell it to do it and know that it does it and will do it for a long time. Yes, to me, that is worth paying the extra dollars for the machine. I am sure there will be one that comes out, probably soon, that will do all of the above at a lower price. It wasn't out when I bought mine and if it is a large improvement, will move me to make another purchase.
I have said it before on here but there are different strokes for different folks. I know what I want and others know what they want and they are not always the same. That is why there are many different options out there to choose from which is the way it should be. Finally, I am not sure about peccadilloes but if a Provari cost the same as a LT, I think they might sell a lot less LT.
I have said it before on here but there are different strokes for different folks. I know what I want and others know what they want and they are not always the same. That is why there are many different options out there to choose from which is the way it should be. Finally, I am not sure about peccadilloes but if a Provari cost the same as a LT, I think they might sell a lot less LT.
Very well said expat. I think you are right on with your theory of why some Provari owners are so quick to bash the LT. Now that the new 1.5 L-rider is able to read resistance and has the 3.2 A limit I will never have the need to buy a Provari. I will buy the new L-rider Lambo though because I really like the new ego/510 flex post and it's looks. I will have all three L-riders for the price of one Provari.
I'm sure you are right that more people would have bought the Provari if they were the price of a LT but they aren't they are three times more expensive.
The thing is you never hear people that own a LT slamming the Provari but you hear it the other way around over and over. I don't usually say anything because I have many friends that have a Provari and they really like them so I'm sure it is a good PV. I do think the voltage adjustments and resistance readings are much better on the LT. The whole adjustment procedure with multiple clicks and menu is one the reasons I never bought a Provari. Now that the Lambo will soon be available I think it will be better than the Provari at least for me.
We should all be happy with how much the VV PV's have advanced and how the price has come down in the last year. I was one of the first ones to buy a VV when the Buzz first came out. It was way to much of a hassle to use for me. I paid 112.00 for it and you had to use a tiny screwdriver and insert it into a little hole and use a voltmeter to read what voltage you had it set at. I only used it a short time and a wire broke in it and I sold it for half price in the classifieds. I was tempted to buy a Provari when they came out but when I saw it was still took a bunch of clicks and a menu to read to change the voltage I decided not to get one. Then the LT came out with a simple up and down switch to change the voltage I got one and have been very happy with it. I still envied the ability of the Provari to read the resistance of a carto but when the LT 1.5 came out with that feature I got one and it is working very good too. I haven't had any problems at all with either of my LT's.
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Do you not remember our local avid anti-Provari member about 3 months ago? He owned a lavatube, and went to every Provari page posting how horrible they were. So incorrect to say the least. Im a previous lavatube owner slamming the LT on its own.
And ChrispyCritter thanks for the link. That is a very good deal.
Yeah that's going a bit far bashing the Provari like it's junk I think it's decent I just feel it's overpriced..a lot of my arguments is the few Provari owners going overboard (just like the LT owner you posted about) calling the LT junk when if you read around a lot of people are happy with it..sure some get bad ones as it's mass produced on a large scale but for the prices they are selling for now they are a solid buy. Even I was critical of the LT when they were selling for $100+ in a kit.
Hey no problem..it is a decent deal..one of the reasons I bought it there was because he (Rick) is a small vendor that is a registered supplier used to build/sell mods and and he is active on the forum (seems like a nice guy who knows his stuff too)..I will probably buy my next one from him..probably a newer version but will wait for the competition so I can get a better deal
I agree. I don't think I've said anything overboard. There was or still is a problem with the Lavatube regulating voltage as battery life is depleted. Maybe in all of the units, or maybe only some of them. It was enough that me and several other people no longer enjoyed them after a while. If your does not, or it is not noticeable, more power to yah. Vape what you like. It is a cheap, ok working PV. My personal style is that if a PV does not preform as expected, its not for me. I have stopped using several PVs because of this, not just the lavatube, that many people love. Just my two cents.
And the only reason I post about it is to even out some hype from time to time. Everyone should be entitled to all sides of the story. I don't go looking for fights.
And the only reason I post about it is to even out some hype from time to time. Everyone should be entitled to all sides of the story. I don't go looking for fights.
No I didn't see any of that and have never heard a LT user slamming them but there are exceptions I'm sure. I have seen many many Provari users ridicule them though. I have stayed away from all that and this is the only thread I have said much about the subject. It was just the title of the thread that made me give my point of view. You have ever right to do that though especially if you own one. I just thought I would give my opinion as well. Being as I've bought two and will be getting the Lambo they must work good for me.
When the lavatube came out, every thread was about how the Provari was crap compared to the lavatube. So it happened. Not denying that Provari users can be exactly the same way, it was just ridiculous to hear you say how no lavatube owner has ever said anything bad about the Provari.
So was the unit that pbusardo reviewed a "bad one"? The issue isn't the 2.5A limit BTW.
Are we in grade school again?? This arguement is pointless. Vape what you like.
I believe you were looking for people trying to reduce cognitive dissonance, It is funny, I was thinking the same thing but it goes both ways, Lavatube owners will do the same. When a product turns out to be...not that good, it conflicts with their previously existing belief about their decision-making abilities, and they will do everything to reduce that conflict.
Even I, knowing something about psychology (and working in marketing lol), had some of those mixed feelings but in the end I do have an objective perception. I do have a lavatube, never had a provari, and the lavatube, TO ME, is not very far from...crap.
- It does drop under load, and I know that feeling because I spent many months with unregulated mods;
- It does lie, It never reaches 6v;
- Top and bottom caps do fall off pretty easy;
- The connector is not sealed and will give you problems with juice in the electronics over time;
- The button loses its color pretty easy and can (maybe from the previous point) misfire;
- the connector is not that firm and will make your carto/atty lean to the sides;
It´s not my unit, mine just had all the issues that were stated by many, many users.
There´s a reason every now and then someone says it´s crap, and you dont see a soul saying that about high-end mods, maybe overpriced, or heavy but never crap because they really are very well built. It just comes to what is important to you, I just like to vape so it´s not the end of the world, but the truth is, it does have a lot of problems.
I would just like to make clear that I am not twelve or have any issues with my confidence to be solved so I will not engage in fanboys discussions.
I will now vape away with my crappy lavatube, and if your happy with what it does, so should you.
I know what mine says when I test it and it regulates pretty accurately with the battery at 3.5v and it set to what I use my 2.5ohm single coils at. I think he does good reviews but I don't have his device in hand so I tested mine and am giving my opinion of mine..I can't know without seeing his device in person and testing it myself if there was or was not some issue causing the voltage drops.
For all I know they could be knockoff batteries that are not up to spec or there could be other issues. Probably the best way to test devices would be using the same 18650 in all 18650 mods to test them or at least known batteries that you test with. I say this because the voltage drops I read about sound like weak batteries or a bad connection. I know what I see with my device and it's within hundredths of a volt where I set it and that's plenty close enough for me...
Its more noticeable in the higher ranges 5.2 and up, the difference in stated voltage and underload voltage. Not dogging your device whatsoever, but that was where the general problem areas were, as far as people being upset with the on screen voltage not being very accurate to the voltage underload. And who knows. Maybe they finally got around to fixing it. Either way its not a big deal. And mine had problems with AW IMR batteries from lighthound, so I do not think it was the battery in my case. Mine was during the first release however, so perhaps it could be that.
Maybe we are looking at the amp limit from the wrong side..maybe the 2.5a limit is on the battery side and that might explain the limiting at higher voltages with the battery lower..I always thought it was on the boosted side..actually thinking about it that probably is the way it should be so if you put a regular 18650 lithium you couldn't overtax the battery. In any case it works great at the voltages I use it at and if I try to use it higher it burns the juice...
Edit: Say it's 2.5a battery side with the battery at 3v..at 6 volts with 3ohms resistance you would get a draw of 2a but on the 3v battery it would be 4a. So the highest you might go on a 3v battery boosted is around 4.5v (edit: I believe this is off a little because at 4.5v volts you wouldn't be doubling the 3v battery) with 3ohm resistance. I'm only using 3v as an example and the LT should shut down at 3.3v..I'm also not taking into account any inefficiencies of the boost circuit.
Edit 2: I'm trying to figure out the formula where the 2.5a limit on the battery would work out with the boost circuit. I know it's something like battery volts x amps then how much you boost it plus the ohms resistance on the boosted side. Also to be accurate you would have to factor in any loss to inefficiencies.
I think this is a fairly complicated equation to be able to figure out how much the boosted amp draw would be on the battery when you also have to figure in different voltages and ohms. I think it would be a lot more simple to take the battery out and hook it up with wires then test the amp draw on the battery with a set ohm cartomizer firing on the device.
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