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[Devonmoonshire]

Fanally a Friday Nate!
Time to wrap it up bud. It's about a 6 hour flight home, so you can catch up on any sleep you miss tonight on the flight back tomorrow huh?
I hope they take it easy on you today my friend,
J.

ABSOLUTELY My Brotha!!!!!!!!! All done, 12 Noon and That's a Wrap! We even helped them get some stuff done they needed to do

Time for one last Gym Session for abusing my Chest and triceps and then laundry, pack up and hit some short shut eye prior to the trip home early tomorrow morning

Unfortunately I have never been able to sleep on a plane LOL Not since flying over St Helens when it erupted in 80' or 81' Haven't been able to fall asleep on an airplane since. Scared the heck out of me LOL

Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[guido61]

Hi folks,
sorry for not being around much lately.
Hope everything is right in sunny SoCal.
Here in Italy is a total mess, so i'm looking forward to get my visa and move to the other side of the pond.
Me and Kate are gathering all the paper togheter... keep finger crossed

 

[IOU]

Awesome my friend,
I am excited for you Nate!
Wow, I didn't know you flew over the Mount St. Helen's eruption!! Scary yeah, but what an awesome experience! I hope you have a safe flight home tomorrow bud.
J.

ABSOLUTELY My Brotha!!!!!!!!! All done, 12 Noon and That's a Wrap! We even helped them get some stuff done they needed to do

Time for one last Gym Session for abusing my Chest and triceps and then laundry, pack up and hit some short shut eye prior to the trip home early tomorrow morning

Unfortunately I have never been able to sleep on a plane LOL Not since flying over St Helens when it erupted in 80' or 81' Haven't been able to fall asleep on an airplane since. Scared the heck out of me LOL

Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[IOU]

I wish you all the luck in the world my friend!
It would be awesome TO HAVE YOU HERE!
J.

Hi folks,
sorry for not being around much lately.
Hope everything is right in sunny SoCal.
Here in Italy is a total mess, so i'm looking forward to get my visa and move to the other side of the pond.
Me and Kate are gathering all the paper togheter... keep finger crossed

 

[Devonmoonshire]

Hi folks,
sorry for not being around much lately.
Hope everything is right in sunny SoCal.
Here in Italy is a total mess, so i'm looking forward to get my visa and move to the other side of the pond.
Me and Kate are gathering all the paper togheter... keep finger crossed

Oh Man ..... that is Great news my Friend, I know I can't wait until everything gets filled out and approved for you to come here to So Cal. That will be absolutely awesome

Awesome my friend,
I am excited for you Nate!
Wow, I didn't know you flew over the Mount St. Helen's eruption!! Scary yeah, but what an awesome experience! I hope you have a safe flight home tomorrow bud.
J.

Oh...... My........ GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a Workout LOL 2 1/2 Hours of Brutal Chest and Triceps. I am so friggin' Sore right now it isn't even funny LOL

Yeah my Dad was up in Yakima for a job and the day we were flying home in the Commuter Plane was the day she Erupted. We were flying over it and the pilot turned the plane a little and was announcing that the "Beautiful Mt. St. Helens" was to our left side and then it exploded and he immediately turned the plane the other way and got us the @%^$@$!! Out towards the coast with a huge slurry of "Colorful Adjectives" so to speak because the PA System was still on LOL it was amazing and something I will never forget as long as I live.

Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[IOU]

Nate, what an awesome experience!
I can say that knowing you are okay , but wow a commuter plane? I thought you must have been in commercial airliner. Now that would be scary, but definitely something to tell your grandchildren about.
J.

 

[IOU]

Good night all!
J.

 

[Katdarling]

Hi, it's me, your middle of the nite friend.

....., I'm very happy for you, and for US! It'll be so wonderful to see you and Kate again, altho, I never did see Kate. Oh Kaaate, where are you?

Jason, I loved the tip you had for the dual coil cartos. I've learned some information recently which has caused me to stay away from them altogether. I'm not here to rain on anyone's vape parade as I know they are a very popular carto, but in all truth, we really shouldn't be using them. I'll leave it at that, unless you give me free reign to say more.

Much love to you all. Sure miss your faces, especially yours, Ms. Sea!!!!

Welcome almost back home, Natester!

 

[IOU]

Oh do tell sweetie!
Jason

Hi, it's me, your middle of the nite friend.

....., I'm very happy for you, and for US! It'll be so wonderful to see you and Kate again, altho, I never did see Kate. Oh Kaaate, where are you?

Jason, I loved the tip you had for the dual coil cartos. I've learned some information recently which has caused me to stay away from them altogether. I'm not here to rain on anyone's vape parade as I know they are a very popular carto, but in all truth, we really shouldn't be using them. I'll leave it at that, unless you give me free reign to say more.

Much love to you all. Sure miss your faces, especially yours, Ms. Sea!!!!

Welcome almost back home, Natester!

 

[IOU]

Good morning everyone!
J.

 

[Devonmoonshire]

Good Morning everyone checking in before take off from Atlanta on my Phone should be back home soon and oiy am I tired, I still havent slept in over 30 hours LOL

See y'all soon;
Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[calsax]

Kat- Please share what you have learned about dual coils. If it's not appropriate in this thread, point me in the right direction.

Thanks!

Hi, it's me, your middle of the nite friend.
Our
....., I'm very happy for you, and for US! It'll be so wonderful to see you and Kate again, altho, I never did see Kate. Oh Kaaate, where are you?

Jason, I loved the tip you had for the dual coil cartos. I've learned some information recently which has caused me to stay away from them altogether. I'm not here to rain on anyone's vape parade as I know they are a very popular carto, but in all truth, we really shouldn't be using them. I'll leave it at that, unless you give me free reign to say more.

Much love to you all. Sure miss your faces, especially yours, Ms. Sea!!!!

Welcome almost back home, Natester!

 

[IOU]

Have a safe flight my friend!
J.

Good Morning everyone checking in before take off from Atlanta on my Phone should be back home soon and oiy am I tired, I still havent slept in over 30 hours LOL

See y'all soon;
Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[Devonmoonshire]

Home Safe Very tired having been up for 36 hours now on a 1 and a half hour cat nap last night. LOL But it is so very nice to be home again

Hope everyone is having a superb Saturday
Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[Katdarling]

Thank you, Jason. calsax, I will relay what I've read from Zen (of Zenesis fame). I do believe that he knows from what he speaks! I think it's incredibly important info to pass on to all vapers, new and old. Just as we are learning more about li-on battery safety, we should also be aware of other possible issues.

(And welcome home, Nate!)

"NEVER EVER EVER will I make a dual coil version...

Dual Coils are DANGEROUS beyond all belief, and even DC cartos a disaster waiting to happen.

I feel this is one area of safety has has not been adequately addressed, and in many ways I believe it may be the root cause of the increasing number of battery explosion accidents.

I have seen posts about Battery Safety and Tube Mod safety, but a large contributing factor which will rapidly compound the issue is "Load" safety.

A Little history which helps to demonstrate my point:

A little over 15 months ago, the introduction of Low Resistance cartomizers and atomizers occurred, and with that introduction, eCigs became a LOT less safe. Suddenly the old reliable eGos and 510s started experiencing failures that were not common before the intoduction of lower resistance loads... the PVs failed because the load was too great, causing the circuitry in these PVs to fail. These failures protected the users, in many cases, against their will.

The reason for the failure is because the Load Resistance dictates how much current will be delivered to atomizer/cartomizer.

This has driven many eCig users away from electronic and regulated eCigs into the realm of mechanical Mods with batteries that will deliver the current needed to utilize these lower resistance loads. As we all know, a single battery PV with an LR load is relatively safe, but the quest for higher performance has led us down a path into areas that are far more disconcerting.

A little less than a year ago, Dual Coil cartomizers appeared on the scene and with them, an entirely new series of safety issues. These loads not ONLY have a low resistance, but they have the capacity to sink a HUGE amount of current into them without failing. This is because each coil of the load has the capacity to handle DOUBLE the voltage, or more, than a single coil of the same aggregate resistance. In other words, a 1.5 Ohm single coil carto handles far less power than a 1.5 Ohm Dual coil, due to the dual coil have TWO 3 Ohm coils in parallel....

To a battery with a low current delivery capability, A Dual Coil Carto represents a HOSTILE load, attempting to pull far more current from the battery than it can safely deliver.

These new cartomizers have taken the vaping community by a storm. Suddenly, the Good Old Standard, the ProVari is sending error messages to it's users, and they have demanded a Higher Current delivery version... The PV is PROTECTING itself from this hostile load, and the end users are saying "NO WAY... I need more current"

This has driven even MORE members of the vaping community to the realm of mechanical PVs, but now with stacked batteries because these Cartomizers perform better at these higher voltages...

And the most likely battery to stack in a metal tube designed for an 18650?

Yep... the readilly available, and potentially lethal 16340 (Aka CR123a). Unfortunately there are a variety of Low C versions of these batteries on the market at bargain basement prices.

BOOM

I believe that we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with this issue, and the warnings issued that I have seen have fail to mention that a battery, in all likelihood WILL NOT fail unless there is a load attached to it, and the size of that load can really matter.

I believe that the proliferation of Dual coil, and now Triple coil cartos is the tipping point that is going to set off an epidemic of these devastating failures. As the size of the load increases, the danger increases exponentially! The same is true for dual coils in a Genesis Atty

It's true that cheap batteries stacked in an unvented PV is a recipe for disaster... but the risk increases by a huge margin once the hostile load of a dual coil load is introduced to the equation.

It's true that single cell and High C batteries are much safer... but the introduction of a second coil is flirting with disaster."

 

[calsax]

Thanks, Kat. You have given me food for thought. More conversations with my favorite electronics engineer will be forthcoming. What Zen is saying makes sense, at least in theory.

 

[Seabrook]

Wowza, now that is waaaay over my head and TMI for my ignorance on electronics, but I don't use them anyway, so I will just sit back and cross my fingers for safety for my fellow vapers.

Kat, you should post this info on its own thread in the Veterans Forum.

 

[Devonmoonshire]

I agree that in theory this does indeed make sense, especially with the stacking of batteries. That in and of itself is a serious risk and could potentially be extremely dangerous depending on the chemistry and stability of the battery that is being used. However, I think those of us who use Mods with Protection circuitry installed in them which does not allow TOO much current to be drawn are still far safer than those using a mechanical Mod with stacked batteries. I did the same thing with my second SS GGTS before the kick came out, now I use a single 19650 and the kick in my GG and it works flawlessly every time without drawing too much current, also to be honest I have reverted back to the single coil 3 ohm standard 801 Fusion carto for use with this mod because it simply delivers an incredibly full and perfect vape consistently. That in and of itself makes the Kick a worthwhile investment in my opinion for anyone with an 18mm tube mod that desires a more full vape without the dangers of stacking batteries. Is it going to blow the back of your neck out with TH? No it won't, but it does deliver a very satisfying vape for me.

Hopefully soon the single coil 510 XL's will be more readily available in a 3 ohm version that I can use in the Provari, until then I will stick with the 2.5 ohm Dual coils because I find them to deliver a better and more satisfying vape at a reasonable voltage on the Provari.


There is my Deliriously Tired input on this matter LOL Hopefully tomorrow when I come back and read it again it will still make sense. I do know that I have been running hard save for a 1 1/2 hour powernap between airport runs last night since 3 am CST yesterday

Thank you Kat and I believe that everything you say does indeed make sense;
Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[IOU]

Nice buddy, welcome home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jason

Home Safe Very tired having been up for 36 hours now on a 1 and a half hour cat nap last night. LOL But it is so very nice to be home again

Hope everyone is having a superb Saturday
Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[IOU]

Thank you Kat!
J.

Thank you, Jason. calsax, I will relay what I've read from Zen (of Zenesis fame). I do believe that he knows from what he speaks! I think it's incredibly important info to pass on to all vapers, new and old. Just as we are learning more about li-on battery safety, we should also be aware of other possible issues.

(And welcome home, Nate!)

"NEVER EVER EVER will I make a dual coil version...

Dual Coils are DANGEROUS beyond all belief, and even DC cartos a disaster waiting to happen.

I feel this is one area of safety has has not been adequately addressed, and in many ways I believe it may be the root cause of the increasing number of battery explosion accidents.

I have seen posts about Battery Safety and Tube Mod safety, but a large contributing factor which will rapidly compound the issue is "Load" safety.

A Little history which helps to demonstrate my point:

A little over 15 months ago, the introduction of Low Resistance cartomizers and atomizers occurred, and with that introduction, eCigs became a LOT less safe. Suddenly the old reliable eGos and 510s started experiencing failures that were not common before the intoduction of lower resistance loads... the PVs failed because the load was too great, causing the circuitry in these PVs to fail. These failures protected the users, in many cases, against their will.

The reason for the failure is because the Load Resistance dictates how much current will be delivered to atomizer/cartomizer.

This has driven many eCig users away from electronic and regulated eCigs into the realm of mechanical Mods with batteries that will deliver the current needed to utilize these lower resistance loads. As we all know, a single battery PV with an LR load is relatively safe, but the quest for higher performance has led us down a path into areas that are far more disconcerting.

A little less than a year ago, Dual Coil cartomizers appeared on the scene and with them, an entirely new series of safety issues. These loads not ONLY have a low resistance, but they have the capacity to sink a HUGE amount of current into them without failing. This is because each coil of the load has the capacity to handle DOUBLE the voltage, or more, than a single coil of the same aggregate resistance. In other words, a 1.5 Ohm single coil carto handles far less power than a 1.5 Ohm Dual coil, due to the dual coil have TWO 3 Ohm coils in parallel....

To a battery with a low current delivery capability, A Dual Coil Carto represents a HOSTILE load, attempting to pull far more current from the battery than it can safely deliver.

These new cartomizers have taken the vaping community by a storm. Suddenly, the Good Old Standard, the ProVari is sending error messages to it's users, and they have demanded a Higher Current delivery version... The PV is PROTECTING itself from this hostile load, and the end users are saying "NO WAY... I need more current"

This has driven even MORE members of the vaping community to the realm of mechanical PVs, but now with stacked batteries because these Cartomizers perform better at these higher voltages...

And the most likely battery to stack in a metal tube designed for an 18650?

Yep... the readilly available, and potentially lethal 16340 (Aka CR123a). Unfortunately there are a variety of Low C versions of these batteries on the market at bargain basement prices.

BOOM

I believe that we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with this issue, and the warnings issued that I have seen have fail to mention that a battery, in all likelihood WILL NOT fail unless there is a load attached to it, and the size of that load can really matter.

I believe that the proliferation of Dual coil, and now Triple coil cartos is the tipping point that is going to set off an epidemic of these devastating failures. As the size of the load increases, the danger increases exponentially! The same is true for dual coils in a Genesis Atty

It's true that cheap batteries stacked in an unvented PV is a recipe for disaster... but the risk increases by a huge margin once the hostile load of a dual coil load is introduced to the equation.

It's true that single cell and High C batteries are much safer... but the introduction of a second coil is flirting with disaster."