Something doesn't compute well with me. If vg boils at a higher temperature than when it produces toxins, how are we vaping in the first place? I mean water makes boiling point lower, but what if that makes producing toxins lower? What I am trying to say how do we know that the 470 temp is set in stone and not dependent on the liquid and how much water it took from the air or whatever!!
New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
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Not to hijack here, but for those who wondered about using A1 Kanthal in TC. Wotofo JUST released Thunder Box Mod wich do A1 TC!
Jus` sayin!
Jus` sayin!
Why isn't this study out there in the public eye? I've seen absolutely nothing on this outside of this thread.
Isn't Kanthal what they use in toasters, and the like? If SS or other wire were better at heating, wouldn't something else be used?
That's cool, I haven't watched the video fully so hopefully you can refute what I say but although your temp is reaching 440F, I would imagine that is the temperature of your coil as opposed to the 5ml of liquid surrounding that coil.
The heat of the eliquid is not measured at the point of vaporisation.
The analogy seems correct. Regardless of the amount of energy used to heat water it will vaporise at boiling point.
Surely?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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btw the vaporshark naut 0.3 ohm coils are fantastic.. great throat hit, NO dry hits, 20 watts 440 F all day long like a dream..probably my new fave mtl coil.. there is still a bit of nickel taste there though, which is why i hope for SS some day (and they say you need a dna 40, but they are working perfect on all my temp mods).
does anyone know if joyetech one ohm SS coils can be temp controlled?
does anyone know if joyetech one ohm SS coils can be temp controlled?
the steam at sea level will be 212f if you take 2300 degree iron and douse it with water the water and steam will get to 212f until all liquid has turned to steam 212 degree steam until cooled by surrounding environment
If the coil reaches 500 degrees, you can be assured that the juice in contact with it is reaching the same temp. A pot of water has the mass of the pot and the water to absorb the heat. Water also boils at 212 degrees and I believe it stays there until it all boils off.
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Give it some time. The news people will be all giddy to tell the story about the doom of vaping and how we're all gonna die from our own arrogance.
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Right. And we kind of assume that's how our devices work right, we're taking the liquid to the boiling point and it turns to vapor then condenses back into an aerosol, though there may be more going on there.
I don't know the boiling point of a 50/50 pg/vg mix but let's say it's somewhere around 360F. If you heat your coil to 360F you get vapor, which will also be at 360F. If you take heat your coil to 400F, are you suddenly getting vapor that is 400F, or are you just producing 360F degree vapor faster?
There is obviously some point where either the temperature gets too high, or the cooling effects get too low, or some combination of that and other things where the liquid does break down, but I don't think we know where that point is, and there are likely more factors than just power/temperature.
There are two kinds of propaganda, claims not supported by evidence, and evidence presented as implied claims. These "startling" revelations are of the second kind. Whether accurate or not no useful conclusions are offered. We are left to speculate and worry and be manipulated by manipulators. I wouldn't trust these people before they did their science so why should I trust them now? May be the implications we worry about will be corroborated by more studies, then again, may be not.
In the mean time what happened to the notion that we would be able to taste the condition that produces important amounts of bad stuff? May be that's not true after all or may be it's still true. It's one or the other. The melodrama continues.
In the mean time what happened to the notion that we would be able to taste the condition that produces important amounts of bad stuff? May be that's not true after all or may be it's still true. It's one or the other. The melodrama continues.
PG boils at ~370F, but you're saying that unlike water, it will heat up to 500F before vaporizing? How does that work? Is the pot/water mass ratio much different from the coil/liquid surrounding the coil ratio?
I'm not a scientist, but that doesn't sound right.
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Edit #2: Oh, I just noticed something on that slide that may peeve some here, but they chose to run their test with a KF clone, not authentic.
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That tells us the budget for the test didnt allow for testing a $120 atomizer.
Yep. Par for the course.
Sounds like well funded research to me.
SMH.
Edit #2: Oh, I just noticed something on that slide that may peeve some here, but they chose to run their test with a KF clone, not authentic.
[/QUOTE]That tells us the budget for the test didnt allow for testing a $120 atomizer.
Yep. Par for the course.
Sounds like well funded research to me.
SMH.
I'm with you. As I see it, vapor should only ever reach the temp of its liquid boiling point. Is it the rapid production of energy/heat that is causing the chemical change? Was this test carried out in such a way to achieve higher temps via pressurizing. More info needed to be sure.
That's not true, is it? Surely if your juice was just getting infinitely hotter you wouldn't vaporise any more juice and a guy vaping at a 500F would be the same as the guy at 250F in terms of juice consumption?
You are just vaporising the eliquid quicker so more juice get fed to the coil. The cycle continues. Hey presto. Clouds.
But how accurately? There have been several TC attempts with Kanthal in the past that proved to be unreliable. It will come, but does a firm like Wotofo have the resources necessary to develop it?
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