New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

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sofarsogood

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i dunno what to think about all this. i DL. i like my SS316 and even my Ti vapes at 500F to 530F. i don't enjoy vaping below a certain temp. i'm guessing even at my temps, vaping is still safer than smoking. i like the tech side of mods and atty's. that's one main reason i got into it.
maybe 40%/60% = safer than smoking/building and modding.
Are you certain you are vaping your coils that hot? I thought I was vaping at 400 degrees until I could see max temp after each puff. It turns out that at 30 max watts and a super saturated rda coil I'm not going that high. I actually start hitting 400 degrees on a less saturated coil and less than 30 watts usually. Anyhow this is stuff that needs exploring.
 
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I believe science is corrupted by too much government money. The only government sponsored science I truely enjoy following are astronomy and planatary. That migtht be because there are no voters on Pluto.

I hear you, but where is the funding supposed to come from? From my own experience (humanities, so the costs are far less than in the sciences) I can tell you that the costs are excruciating even when only a single scientist is employed for a project, without taking into account any special equipment even (the institution the research is conducted at will eat up over half the funding before any salaries are even paid). There are very few private parties willing to provide such sums, particularly when they couldn't be sure that they'd reap any benefits. Any who would you trust to fund research? In what way could you be sure that the research wasn't corrupted in any way?

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I hear you, but where is the funding supposed to come from? From my own experience (humanities, so the costs are far less than in the sciences) I can tell you that the costs are excruciating even when only a single scientist is employed for a project, without taking into account any special equipment even (the institution the research is conducted at will eat up over half the funding before any salaries are even paid). There are very few private parties willing to provide such sums, particularly when they couldn't be sure that they'd reap any benefits. Any who would you trust to fund research? In what way could you be sure that the research wasn't corrupted in any way?

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We are just trying to be safe, not get published. We'll figure it out.
 
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SV rda clone, 28 guage stainless, 3 mm dia, 10 wraps, 1.38 ohm You'll see the coils are slightly spaced, enough to keep the coil well behaved. This coil is a week old. My coils barely gunk because my DIY uses 1% flavoring and no sweetners. This is the only style atomizer I use. i have several. this is the builld i used in the video, 11 max watts and 400 max temp. i reposted the video of the test below.
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Repost of this morning's 11 watt 'torture' test which uses the build above.

That's a weird resistance for that coil composition though. 10 wraps, 28 ga, 3 mm id (assuming ss316l) should come out closer to 1.15Ω, even assuming fairly long coil legs.

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I lock the res on all my dna mods. Never had a problem doing that. I don't want it to refine anything.
I don't lock the resistance on any of my tc mods, unless they specifically require it (I don't think I have any that do). I've found that my Joyetech/Wismec/Eleaf mods work very well with the resistance unlocked.

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Are you certain you are vaping your coils that hot? I thought I was vaping at 400 degrees until I could see max temp after each puff. It turns out that at 30 max watts and a super saturated rda coil I'm not going that high. I actually start hitting 400 degrees on a less saturated coil and less than 30 watts usually. Anyhow this is stuff that needs exploring.
i usually set my wattage on my DNA devices as high as they'll go. then adjust my temp to taste. i use Temp Dominant. so i'm at my set temp as fast as possible, which is usually before the drip tip reaches my my mouth hole.

i just hope Evolv doesn't limit our temp setting range within "safe" limits in future boards / FW revisions. that would suck.
 

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Thank you Katy's is nickel coils safe to use ?
I mean if you make your own coils, is it easy to do something wrong to the point of tank explosion?

I noticed the coils are 0.15 ohms. Is there any hope for people who do not like sub ohming ? I tried sub ohming before and hated it . :(
Just don't dry burn nickel coils (of course, if you dry burn any prebuilt coil heads you ruin them).

Making your own coils is perfectly safe, particularly with regulated mods.

Don't focus so much on resistance, it's coil mass and heat flux that matters. For example, a ss316 coil will have about half the resistance of a kanthal coil with the same wire gauge, coil id, and wrap count, but approximately the same coil mass and heat flux. It'll be a very comparable vape at the same wattage even though the resistance is less. Ni200 and titanium have even lower resistance per wire length.

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Ever since seeing this I have been worried to use my tfv8 since it doesn't have temp control. Is there any way to run a tfv8 in tc?

Looks like you need to use the RBA deck and build your own coils on that one.

From: SMOK TFV8 Cloud Beast Tank Review | Spinfuel VAPE

The SMOK TFV8 launches with four coil head options, all using Kanthal A1 wire. While the RBA section includes a dual coil Clapton with Kanthal, you can use any wire with the RBA for Temperature Control vaping. But, at this time, the SMOK TFV8 is not for TC Vapers unless the RBA component is used with various TC wire (Nickel, Titanium, Stainless Steel).
 

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OK, so I tried to vape this tank (KF5) dry in SS316l TC......before the cotton was dry I stopped inhaling it. No dry burnt hits, it just was not good vape at all. But in my mind I felt one coming. (temp control still had not kicked in at all yet at 420f). I took the top chamber of the tank off and kept firing a bunch more times till it was basically dry. There were no burns on the cotton at all. TC seemed to be working only at the very very very end did it kick in with "temp control".
If your using a MTL device and cant tell that your cotton is starting getting dry by just the FLAVOR alone then I guess TC is needed for you but, it was VERY noticeable LONG before the wick was completely dry and TC set in.

Remember not once did "temp protect" pop up while vaping on the tank with juice in it only when i was trying to dry out the wick in the very end to see if it would leave scorch marks which it did not.

Now for a high wattage device that may be another story since the juice evaporates at a much faster rate and that dry hit might sneak up on you.
That was an interesting test, especially when you said temp control never kicked in set to 420. What was the power set to? And what was the TC mod you used, sounds like it did its job.
 

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And this shows what this post has achieved.......................

So what the Solution Steve?

Should we Ignore anything that may be Viewed as casting e-Cigarette Use in a Negative Light?

It's Funny. I've heard Lots of People say we should be a Self-Regulated Market. You may have said so Yourself. Does that that mean We Shouldn't Discuss Potential Problems?
 

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Not saying you need to use your single coils in TC, but I have several tanks I always build with single coil 316L and never had an issue in TC. It can be done.


I'll play around with it. My experiments with TC were a couple of years ago when it was new. I really only tried with the Koopor Pluss 200W and its TC mode was screwed up. I have the Pico, RX200S, and several other TC mods now that are fairly current.
 

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Maybe the scientists should focus on figuring out the formula to calculate the temperature of coils based on wattage used.
Would be nice, but pretty much impossible. Way too many variables. And even if possible, who'd fund all the research for that?

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I think the General Vaping Discussion needs a TC thread with a blog/chat attached :D since that is the underlying topic of debate for about 90% of this would be nice to have tips suggestions etc for those who have not tried tc so they are not discouraged when they first try, maybe an external link to organize different tc mods tips and suggestions etc :p as each mod is completely different when it comes to TC i mean yes brands stay similar but you then have technical evolution of each brands boards for example my TC on my Smok Ultra is far different than my TC 200 R
 

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That is a possibility, but will vary with the board used. I routinely use my SS Claptons/fused Claptons in TC on my DNA mods and have never been kicked out to power mode. I do use a preheat as I hate waiting for the coil mas to reach temp, and that would provide an advantage over TC without a preheat ability, but larger mass coils can be used so long as that build style is adjusted for.
Yes, definitely. I rarely have problems with more complex builds (though single core claptons and tripple-wire twisteds are about as "complex" as I go), but it has happened, rarely. Invariably though, more mass will require more power and that may not be suited for everyone's vaping style. Thus the advice to "cram more metal in there" isn't really all that good, though it pains me to say that as I'm a metalhead :)

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We are just trying to be safe, not get published. We'll figure it out.
Of course that's what we do, but few of us are trained scientists, and none of us (as far as I know) are trained scientists professionally engaged in the kind of research discussed here. Amateur "research" is fine and dandy, but it's naive to think that we could achieve much in the way of objectively reliable results. Proper training us required, not to mention proper equipment. And none of that comes cheap. It's not about getting published, it's that "we" most certainly won't figure out much in the way of actual objectively reliable results by checking the temperatures on the screens of our mods or pointing ir guns at our coils. No offense meant.

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Ever since seeing this I have been worried to use my tfv8 since it doesn't have temp control. Is there any way to run a tfv8 in tc?
With the rba deck and building your own coils with tc capable wire, yes. With prebuilt coil heads, no.

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