Hey guys. Currently I have a dark horse rda and a Manhattan clone. I have efset purple batteries. My current build is 20 Guage kenthal wire 5 wraps and am at .55 ohms. My friend built it for me and I would like to learn. I have an ohm meter wire and cotton. I don't know what's best for flavor and clouds.
new to building coils. recommendaions?
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People are going to have their own favourite set ups.
Theres not really a specific build thats good.
Some builds are better than others for vapor and flavour but even those are disputed.
Im getting good results from 0.4Ω dual coil build and I've got good results from many other builds.
Theres not really a specific build thats good.
Some builds are better than others for vapor and flavour but even those are disputed.
Im getting good results from 0.4Ω dual coil build and I've got good results from many other builds.
I'm not trying to be snarky here, but google is really your friend in this instance. If you were to search for "dark horse" flavor, you probably find results from here and other places. At that point, I try to read all I can about various builds and narrow it down to one or two to try. Youtube is also a great resource. Take your time and craft your favorite vape. Oh, and boomark steam-engine.org. I get as far as typing st in the address bar and chrome knows what I want, lol.
Best of luck.
Best of luck.
20 ga @ 5 wraps = .55 ohms?.... odd I get .37 ohms with 24ga at 5 wraps on a 2mm shaft
my current kanthal build is, dual coil with 22 Gage kanthal 8 wraps on top with a screw driver that's a little bigger than a 6/32 bit, comes out to about 0.28Ω after you put both coils on the rda
im also using both an apollo and a plume veil rda both have the dual center post's unlike the dark horse so it a little easier for me to do a dual coil build
you may want to look on youtube on how to make a sleeper coil build it's a dual coil that uses one single strand of wire
im also using both an apollo and a plume veil rda both have the dual center post's unlike the dark horse so it a little easier for me to do a dual coil build
you may want to look on youtube on how to make a sleeper coil build it's a dual coil that uses one single strand of wire
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use 26 gauge wiring. its easier to work with and it is the best for getting the right sized coils. It works great for beginners and experts alike and is perfect for a balance between cloud size and flavor production
I don't have much experience with many different RDA's. Most models have a reputation for either flavor or clouds, but I'm not aware of any which find a happy medium. This can be considered a subject which is "subjective", meaning it depends upon who you are listening to, and you'll find many different answers from reviewers and users alike.
I'll only offer this link, Information Resources for Your First RBA, since you are relatively new on the scene. It should provide some good basic knowledge for you on a variety of subjects.
Do 4-5 wraps vertical coils. 28 Ga. Honestly, drippers kill flavor because of the heat is very intense. So your either sacrificing one or the either. Hard to get both.
1: most rda's are pretty much the same. the dark horse rda is a typical design: 3 posts, side airflow; no or not much drip well;
2: the manhattan is a mech mod. When you are new to building, better to use a regulated mod so you can adjust your mod to fit how your build worked out to be unless you got nothing better to do than to use up more wire all day till you find the right build.
3: 20 gauge is pretty thick. your build probably takes a long time to heat up and needs a lot of power.
4: a good place to start is with 30 gauge (kanthal a1), single coil, 2 ohms
Thanks guys! My mistake I meant .25 ohms and not .55ohms. I am just confused as to more wraps vs less wraps vs inside diameter and such. More wraps give you more ohms and longer to heat up right? I was recommended 20awg by my friend that is pretty into things. I had bought that, but it seems not many people use 20awg. I made a coil the other night and went to 6 wraps, and can't tell much of a difference to be honest. I am just doing basic dual coil wraps.
More ohms= longer to heat up and more flavor as well as battery life, and less ohm's is just the opposite right? I'm just trying to understand things a little better...The 5 wrap my buddy did was fine, and my 6 wrap is fine...Just kind of experimenting.
I actually have an apollo w/ a dodge v2 on order. I had a Vamo, and it sucked. I like the mechanical mods a lot, and thats what my friends that have them use. I am thinking about ordering some 24 or 26awg...My neighbor actually has my old Vamo. If I try to put my RDA on it, it won't power it. Too low of ohms I guess....I was thinking about maybe building one with higher ohms for it just to play around with it. idk. lol
More ohms= longer to heat up and more flavor as well as battery life, and less ohm's is just the opposite right? I'm just trying to understand things a little better...The 5 wrap my buddy did was fine, and my 6 wrap is fine...Just kind of experimenting.
I actually have an apollo w/ a dodge v2 on order. I had a Vamo, and it sucked. I like the mechanical mods a lot, and thats what my friends that have them use. I am thinking about ordering some 24 or 26awg...My neighbor actually has my old Vamo. If I try to put my RDA on it, it won't power it. Too low of ohms I guess....I was thinking about maybe building one with higher ohms for it just to play around with it. idk. lol
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That RDA looks like a mess with such a small/no juice well. Also, isn't a .24ohm build pretty extreme for someone new to building rda's? I would be worried I would blow something up.
Picks up desk and face palms with it...
Oye, starting the newbie off with 20 gauge wire, lord help me please.
Ok, first thing to do is learn oHm's law, up one side and down the other before building anything, you'll find out some pretty interesting finds along the way as to why 20 gauge is not a great idea (I'll give you this one, its pulling a massive amp draw on your battery), let me clarify that...not a great idea until your well versed in RDA's
Yes, everyone has their "Ideal" set-up, both the atomizers you've got are good atomizers to keep around. They both can regulate the airflow to finite amount which is good, both have great posts for various builds and both are quality products through and through (also they are newbe friendly).
I agree with the regulated mod but depending on which one you get you'll find something interesting, even though its within the oHm range, it likely won't fire..ops, yup your way up there on the Amp draw on that build you've got. Stick to 28 gauge or 30 gauge wire for now, play with the micro spaced 1.0 ohm coil rather then the low ohm .xx coil. I'll say this much if you master the micro spaced coil rather then the microcoil you can put most Sub Ohm builds to shame without even trying, I've been doing RBA's for around 6 years now so been through just about everything imaginable.
As always before you even attempt to do your first build..complete the following.
Buy a basic RBA kit and or purchase the below.
Screwdriver set
Scissors of descent quality
Flush cut wire cutters
Wrapping rods or something to wrap your coils around
Ceramic tweezers
Pliers
Mod stand (this is more of a convenience thing for you)
Volt Meter or good quality MOD ohm meter (DO NOT SKIP THIS)
Wicking material of your choice (Cotton, Rayon or Silica)
Learn oHm's Law, this is not an option.. Being safe is and should be your first and foremost concern
Watch some Youtube videos on basic coil building (Stay away from the sub ohm twisted wire, tiger wire super Clapton ultra builds that exist, stick to basic for now).
Practice, practice and more practice.
Research here on ECF RBA thread, there is a lot of beginner information there, read through it.
I'm not trying to pick, I'm saying to be safe, follow the rules and you'll find an enjoyable and safe vape nirvana.
Oye, starting the newbie off with 20 gauge wire, lord help me please.
Ok, first thing to do is learn oHm's law, up one side and down the other before building anything, you'll find out some pretty interesting finds along the way as to why 20 gauge is not a great idea (I'll give you this one, its pulling a massive amp draw on your battery), let me clarify that...not a great idea until your well versed in RDA's
Yes, everyone has their "Ideal" set-up, both the atomizers you've got are good atomizers to keep around. They both can regulate the airflow to finite amount which is good, both have great posts for various builds and both are quality products through and through (also they are newbe friendly).
I agree with the regulated mod but depending on which one you get you'll find something interesting, even though its within the oHm range, it likely won't fire..ops, yup your way up there on the Amp draw on that build you've got. Stick to 28 gauge or 30 gauge wire for now, play with the micro spaced 1.0 ohm coil rather then the low ohm .xx coil. I'll say this much if you master the micro spaced coil rather then the microcoil you can put most Sub Ohm builds to shame without even trying, I've been doing RBA's for around 6 years now so been through just about everything imaginable.
As always before you even attempt to do your first build..complete the following.
Buy a basic RBA kit and or purchase the below.
Screwdriver set
Scissors of descent quality
Flush cut wire cutters
Wrapping rods or something to wrap your coils around
Ceramic tweezers
Pliers
Mod stand (this is more of a convenience thing for you)
Volt Meter or good quality MOD ohm meter (DO NOT SKIP THIS)
Wicking material of your choice (Cotton, Rayon or Silica)
Learn oHm's Law, this is not an option.. Being safe is and should be your first and foremost concern
Watch some Youtube videos on basic coil building (Stay away from the sub ohm twisted wire, tiger wire super Clapton ultra builds that exist, stick to basic for now).
Practice, practice and more practice.
Research here on ECF RBA thread, there is a lot of beginner information there, read through it.
I'm not trying to pick, I'm saying to be safe, follow the rules and you'll find an enjoyable and safe vape nirvana.
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Thank you for all of the pointers! I will check out ohm's law and figure it out. He just said that is was much easier to work with. I will get some different wire. I have about 20ft of 20awg right now, japanese cotton, screwdrivers, pliers, flush cut wire cutters, mod ohm meter, and everything else.
So say I got some 28awg wire. Approx. how many wraps should I go and what diameter do I need to wrap? Also, with a micro coil, how do I put one in my RDA since it has 3 posts?
EDIT- just bought some 28 AWG wire, and also bought a jig as well that I figured would come in useful.
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So just so that I understand what I am looking at here on the steam-engine calculator.
I am running the EFEST 2500mah 35A batteries in my mod.
According to the website it has these limits
Amp limit 35 A
Amp limit headroom @ 4.2 V -20 %
So according to the calculator, I can safely go down to .2 ohms on my battery correct?
Voltage 4.2 V
Current 21 A
Power 88.2 W
Not saying I am going to do .2 ohms, I am just trying to understand the calculators and the limits of the battery.
For a 1ohm dual micro coil build with 28 awg, it looks like I need 2 2ohm coil's which would take 21 wraps per coil? Does that sound right? That sounds like too many wraps per coil? Would it even fit in my RDA? lol
EDIT- I think I have to pick Dual Coil (Series), which rounds me out to about 4 wraps per coil to be at .5 ohms per coil for a total resistance of 1ohm...Is that right?
I am running the EFEST 2500mah 35A batteries in my mod.
According to the website it has these limits
Amp limit 35 A
Amp limit headroom @ 4.2 V -20 %
So according to the calculator, I can safely go down to .2 ohms on my battery correct?
Voltage 4.2 V
Current 21 A
Power 88.2 W
Not saying I am going to do .2 ohms, I am just trying to understand the calculators and the limits of the battery.
For a 1ohm dual micro coil build with 28 awg, it looks like I need 2 2ohm coil's which would take 21 wraps per coil? Does that sound right? That sounds like too many wraps per coil? Would it even fit in my RDA? lol
EDIT- I think I have to pick Dual Coil (Series), which rounds me out to about 4 wraps per coil to be at .5 ohms per coil for a total resistance of 1ohm...Is that right?
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What is the inside diameter you are using? 28g dual coil at 1 ohm with an inside diameter of 5/64 or 1.98mm. Will be 13/12 wraps.
I recommend the Vaper's Toolbox app along with the good advice you've received. I did a lot of research on the Internet before my first build (which was last Friday). I opted to go with a dual coil 30 ga. twist wrapped on a 1/8" drill bit (7/6 wraps each.) It had a final resistance of 0.7 ohms (checked with my meter and mod before coil heating with mod). I used Japanese cotton for my wick. This is on a YiLoong Fogger 6 atomizer with a P4U iPV mini 30 mod.
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I bought one of those jigs, and the smallest one is 1mm. It is supposed to be here today along with my wire. I was calculating on the 1mm rod, but maybe there I need to go a bit bigger?
When doing this calculator, do I pick Dual or Dual (Series)? I don't know the difference between the 2. I have a Dark Horse RDA so it does have 3 posts. I believe the center is positive, and the outer 2 are negative.
When doing this calculator, do I pick Dual or Dual (Series)? I don't know the difference between the 2. I have a Dark Horse RDA so it does have 3 posts. I believe the center is positive, and the outer 2 are negative.
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Series would be one after another between the center and one side post, parallel woul be one each from center post to each side post. If you use thinner wire and larger diameter coils you can minimize the number of wraps.
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