New to my DSE-801 HV, and hating it so far. Help?

[Voodoo]

I originally started out with the very cigarette looking ecig from smoketip.com.
I like it for the most part, but going through the cartomizers and limited vapor made me want to go to a 3-piece where I could direct drip.

So, I ordered the DSE-801 HP (HV) from eciglite.
I've had some problems with the kit; one of the batteries is threaded wrong.
But...

The atomizers both taste TERRIBLE. I'm told this is some kind of icky primer on the atomizer making it taste like burnt a**, and that I can just 'vape on through' or try dry burning them. Well, I have an automatic battery, so the dry burn method recommended won't work for me. It tastes less bad now than it did before - but NOWHERE as good as the original little cig shape from smoketip.

Beyond this, the ejuice leaks out - even when I only drip 2 or 3 small drops on the atty. Within moments there's sticky liquid running down the outside of the battery, and the vapor is tasting horrible again. For the first few drops, the vapor tastes so-so.... but within moments, once it starts leaking, it's back to tasting horrible.

I realize there may be some tricks to using this I don't know, so I figured I better ask —.because as it, I'm REALLY hating what's supposed to be an improvement.

Of note - both atty's taste and behave the same way. I've heard talk of 'burnt metal' vs 'burnt mop bucket' tastes - but this is my first 3-piece and first atomizer (vs cartomizer), so the two different terms mean nothing to me. I wouldn't know what a burnt atty tastes like.

I tried using the cartridges instead of direct drip, despite direct drip being the reason I got this model — and it STILL leaks out all over the place, making a mess and wasting ejuice.

The reviews on this model, while few, were very good - lots of vapor, lots of flavor. I am experiencing neither. Well, I have lots of flavor, it's just very nasty flavor, not my ejuice flavor.

Help? =(

 

[wv2win]

Your first problem is that you are using a HV (high volt) 801 atomizer on what sounds like a low volt (3.7 volt) battery. A 3.7 volt battery can barely run a standard 801 atomizer and definitely not effectively. It sure can't power an HV atomizer. The eliquid is probably running out because very little of it is being vaporized.

Second, you are trying to "drip" on an auto battery. That is just asking for liquid to get into the battery switch and gum it up and make it more useless than it already is.

I use 801/BE112 attys 90% of the time. Because of their high resistence (even the standard ones - 3.0), the weak, little 3.7 volt battery just is not powerful enough to effectively vaporize the liquid.

If you are going to use 801's, you really need to move up to a good 5 volt PV, such as the GLV2: Electronic Cigarettes and E-Liquid - Great Lakes Vapor or a good variable volt PV such as the Darwin from nhaler.com or the ProVari. On these PV's, the 801 vapes very well.

Second, get manual batteries for more control, better throat hit, no cut off and no fear of liquid getting into the battery compartment because manual batteries are sealed and auto batteries are not.

Note: the only site I found for "eciglite" did not show any 801 PV's, so I am not sure now what PV you are using. If it is an 801, I know they don't work well on 3.7 volt batteries and it must be 3.7 volts because I have never heard or seen any HV battery set up that uses auto batteries. If you can give the exact web address, that would help.

 

[cskent]

The DSE 801 High Power is actually a 7.4 volt device. It'll probably suck up the juice in no time. If you didn't blow out your atty when you first started using it you're probably tasting primer fluid. Atty's take a while to break in too and they do taste kind of funky until they're broken in. Sometimes it takes 1/2 and hour, sometimes 1/2 a day. You never know until it finally starts tasting better.

 

[warlike36]

The DSE 801 High Power is actually a 7.4 volt device. It'll probably suck up the juice in no time. If you didn't blow out your atty when you first started using it you're probably tasting primer fluid. Atty's take a while to break in too and they do taste kind of funky until they're broken in. Sometimes it takes 1/2 and hour, sometimes 1/2 a day. You never know until it finally starts tasting better.

And where is this sold? I LOVE 801's....Never heard of a 7.4..other than mods of coarse..My curiosity is peeked..LOL

 

[Pneathery]

I hate to say this, but since you prop ably have to get a big battery to get that atty to work properly, you might want to just look at saving some money and get another PV. I'm going on week three of vaping, and am on my 5th PV. They are ALL 510 compatible, so I've got that going for me. But you can get a Riva 510 kit for $29.99 from liberty flights if you click on the 20% off button on the top left hand corner of the site. They WORK GREAT! I currently have 5 batteries one is a passthrough too.
They are 650MAH so they will last you for 8-10 hours. Plus I get LOADS of vapor, great TH, and fabulous taste. Good for dripping if you want, I sometimes drip, or use a Joye 510Mega atomizer/cartridge, (the Mega series is at least twice as big as a regular Joye 510 atty/cart, so you don't have to refill as much) or use the regular 510 atty/cart, these come with a weird cone that goes over the atty, restricting the fresh air flow going into tue atty, thus maximizing the vapor production from a normal atty, but my favorite to use with these I just got this week. I ordered a Joye Tank atomizer, and 5 tank cartridges to go with it, I received them on Tuesday. It is a see through cartridge that is sealed, until you push it down on the tank atomizer, thus puncturing a hole in the bottom. It then basically drips from this tank onto the atty! No mess, no fuss! No cleanup! You can see when it is running out, and either swap it out for one that you have already filled, or take it off and refill it. It means never having to mess with Polly fiber again, and no overfilling the carts either, anyway I ordered the tank atty/carts from liberty flights for $22, that's just for the atty/carts though, within the first hour of having it, I let my wife use it, and she fell in love too, so I ordered us each a Joye Ego-T Kit from iVape.net. He's selling them for $59, most places are selling them for $70, and up.
I'm babbling about my new toy again, sorry, but I wish I had found out about it before I spent $300+ on my first two models, they were seriously lacking, speciously in the battery area.
To maybe be able to help you out with my experience with dripping, and getting a good flavor though. I first blow out an atty, I then drop like 5-10 drops of a tobacco juice into the atty, and blow that out (I repeat this step SEVERAL TIMES, just to make sure that ALL the primer is replaced with my all day VAPE) I blow this out ad hard as I can, both directions, then the last time. I blow just enough to get it saturated into the atty.
Then when I'm dripping, I start with two drops, and hold down the button for a bit before I start drawing through it, and this does give me good VAPE, p,us good flavor. I just get so tired of doing it, that's why I use the tank now, same results without the hassle/mess.
OH PG/VG makes a big difference too when it comes to making a mess, and spilling out of the atty. The thicker, the less runs out.
Well good luck, and welcome to the wonderful world of vaping! Oh and check out the Joye Ego/Riva510, Joye Ego-T, it is sooooo worth it.

 

[warlike36]

Never mind...is this it ? DSE 801 Electronic Cigarette | DSE 801 Atomizers & DSE electronic Cigarette | DSE801 at LiteCigUSA I gotta have it..wow..never even knew it existed..

 

[cskent]

Yup warlike, litecigusa.net has had them in stock for quite a while. But personally when I wanted to try HV I just got a mod for around the same price.

 

[wv2win]

Never mind...is this it ? DSE 801 Electronic Cigarette | DSE 801 Atomizers & DSE electronic Cigarette | DSE801 at LiteCigUSA I gotta have it..wow..never even knew it existed..

Thank you for providing the link. But I have to say, unless there has been a monumental break-through in battery technology that has been kept secret from the rest of the world, there is no way that is a 7.4 volt battery. I'm not an EE but I have talked to a few since I started vaping and that power level is physically impossible in that battery size from what I was told.

 

[cskent]

wv2win, if you look on this page DSE 801 Electronic Cigarette | DSE 801 Atomizers & DSE electronic Cigarette | DSE801 at LiteCigUSA it says 6 volts. If you look on this page DSE-801 HIGH POWER Vaporizer it says 7.4 volts. I would guess that they're stacking li-ion batt's in there and at full charge could give 7.4 v or so, but not under load with the tiny cells they must have to use. Li-ion batt's can put out around 4.2 v at full charge so theoretically I guess it's possible to hit 7.4 v. Under load it's likely quite a bit less, around 6 v. But that's just a theory on my part. Maybe a battery expert will enlighten us further.

 

[wv2win]

wv2win, if you look on this page DSE 801 Electronic Cigarette | DSE 801 Atomizers & DSE electronic Cigarette | DSE801 at LiteCigUSA it says 6 volts. If you look on this page DSE-801 HIGH POWER Vaporizer it says 7.4 volts. I would guess that they're stacking li-ion batt's in there and at full charge could give 7.4 v or so, but not under load with the tiny cells they must have to use. Li-ion batt's can put out around 4.2 v at full charge so theoretically I guess it's possible to hit 7.4 v. Under load it's likely quite a bit less, around 6 v. But that's just a theory on my part. Maybe a battery expert will enlighten us further.

Thanks for the further information. I've asked the question in the modders forum. I plan to call an electrical engineer that I know. Another theory is that it is plain BS, also. I do know this: if you actually could get 5 or 6 volts in a small tube shaped battery that has always been no more that 3.7 volts, then every supplier would have them in "spades" and no one would be making "mod" type PV's any longer. And that has not happened so I am more than a little skeptical.

 

[cskent]

If you put batteries in series the voltage doubles but the amperage stays the same. If you put batteries in parallel it stays the same voltage as a single cell but the amperage doubles. I think they're stacking two teeny little li-ion batt's in series in the little tube to get their 7.4 volts. That would be about the best way to do it in the space they've got.

 

[warlike36]

Thanks for killing it for me guys...LOL...But I too was curious. That would seriously hurt the "mod" side of this business.

Im gonna see if one of the suppliers of that unit can shed some light..

 

[Voodoo]

That's the model alright (the exact one); sorry about the misinformation on the post.

To date, the horrible taste hasn't left either of the atomizers. I can mostly mask it for a vape or two right after dropping a few drops on the atomizer - but by the third pull it's back. I washed both atomizers in Jameson, and this helped some - but not enough.

For warlike: approach with care. My boyfriend bought the same product and is having the same problem with the burnt chemcial taste.

I've gone back to the KR808D-1 for the moment. It doesn't allow me to direct drip, but at least it tastes good.

 

[warlike36]

I emailed a vendor but got vague response..would love to know voltage under load. hint hint litecig

 

[mwa102464]

I believe they are stacking two batts on this ecig, something you all may want to try is removing your wicks from these Attys, give them a good cleaning and during that cleaning remove the wicks. Also when you vape at HV you need to keep your Atty's soaking wet, especially at 7.4 and even 6v they just need to be kept wet more so then at 3.7 just like an LR where your pulling 2 amps the HV is running at 7.4 probably in the high 6's under load. I'm thinking you all burned your wicks in the Atty's for sure and that's why the bad taste so (remove wick) clean, and juice them up and see what happens. Drip tips would also be much better to use to keep these Atty's soaking wet then a cart if your using a cart, the 7.4 or even 6v will burn those carts right up unless you cut a 1/4" off of them and then there still wouldn't be enough liquids in them for HV so the drip tip all the way.,,, Just my 2c on this

 

[mmoss2]

I believe they are stacking two batts on this ecig

Yes - they stack two batteries, and it is definitely high voltage. I just received mine as well. I've never use HV before, so I've had the same problem as the original poster, specifically the burnt taste. It runs hot - VERY HOT - compared to a regular PV or a even a LR atty.

Warlike36 - if you like HV and you like 801, try contacting iVape if you have questions. That is where I got mine.

To the OP, I have learned you can't use this the way you do a regular PV. Take very small hits - 3 or 4 seconds. You will still get a great hit and great vapor. It is much warmer, and simulates smoking more closely .... You don't take 6 or 7 second hits off of an analogue. And you have to wait between hit 30 seconds to a minute for the atty to cool off so it doesn't burn your liquid. This is what I have been doing and it seems to be working well now. Anyway, I put mine away for several days after getting it because I was disappointed for the same reasons. I pulled it back out tonight and have really enjoyed using it.

In terms of your leakage, I'm guessing your atty is already flooded, but you keep adding juice because of the burnt taste. Try blowing it out and starting over - add 5 drops to start and then try vaping slowly per above.

PS thanks to womanofheart for the tips to get this working.

 

[Suzette]

I just ordered the DSE-801 HV from LiteCig USA. I have an abundance of batteries, 510, 910 and KR808's (including Smoketip, which I still love) and I wanted to try an HV. I do not have a voltmeter but I will give my review and see what I can find out after I receive it. Wish me luck!!

 

[Suzette]

I just got my DSE-801HV and I have to agree with mmoss2. I have gotten so used to taking 5-7 seconds for a hit on my other e-cigs. You do that on this one and it will burn up. It gets really hot fast. I get a great hit within 2 seconds with this thing. I need to remember to stop before it burns!! I would suggest a double flavor or even triple flavor liquid so you can get the taste quickly to avoid the burn. This really is more like a real cigarette, quick hit, quick exhale, done.

 

[warlike36]

I just got my DSE-801HV and I have to agree with mmoss2. I have gotten so used to taking 5-7 seconds for a hit on my other e-cigs. You do that on this one and it will burn up. It gets really hot fast. I get a great hit within 2 seconds with this thing. I need to remember to stop before it burns!! I would suggest a double flavor or even triple flavor liquid so you can get the taste quickly to avoid the burn. This really is more like a real cigarette, quick hit, quick exhale, done.

Thats GREAT news...I may pick one up now...I just wish sean from litecig would have answered my email....anyone else carry em...

 

[keyzygirl]

The only problem I see is they only come in auto and you have to drip to get it to work properly.