So, I just switched it up from Viva Novas/EVODs to 3 tanks I picked up at Electronicstix. I have 2 5ml tanks and a 3ml. I just put a standard prepunched Boge in the 3ml and one of the 5ml, But for the other 5ml I got a 1.5 Dual Coil Prepunched carto (DCT I think), with an odd shaped bottom piece that keeps the tank from slipping below the 510 threading. The Dual Coil is not giving me what I would have expected after having tried the Boges. I have it on my SVD, and it burn quick if I go from 4.2v to 4.3, while the boges both got to 5 and don't have any problem. It also has a very hard draw, gives little in the way of vapor, and likes to shoot a glob of juice into my mouth every 3rd inhale or so. I did notice that the feeding hole on the DC is half the size of the ones on the boges. What really bugs me is that it performs better on my smok winder than on my SVD. I can turn it up to 4.5 and get a much better draw, but If I do the battery heats up fast. I keep my watts at about 8, anything lower and it doesn't hit at all, but I can crank it to 15 and there is no discernible difference. Should I get my own punch and add some holes? Or at least expand the one it has? Is 4.2v really the cap on a 1.5 dual coil? Is this just the wrong setup altogether?
New to the tank, and having an issue with a dual coil carto
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The Smoktech 1.5 ohm dual coil has a "flange" on the connection end, which is a design that Smoktech uses on their tank replacement cartos to keep the tank from sliding too far toward the battery device, but does nothing to keep the tank from sliding the other way.
If you are getting juice in your mouth while you draw on the tanks, your cartomizer is "flooded", or has too much juice in it. A very stiff draw is also a sign it is flooded. The trick now becomes to find out why it became flooded.
Now, some questions for you:
1. You didn't say what the resistance, or ohms of the Boge carto's are?
2. Describe in detail how you filled the cartomizers prior to putting them into the tank? Also give details how you filled the tank.
3. What is the Pg/Vg ratio of your juices? If you don't know, who is the manufacturer? This info is helpful to determine if the pre-punched holes are adequate or if you might need to use a carto punch tool to make larger/more holes.
4. Not completely familiar with the battery devices that you own by name. Are they both regulated (V-V/V-WW) or unregulated (mechanical)?
I'll reserve any further comments until you've had a chance to reply to the above questions. If I may offer a suggestion for your reply, please add some spacing to your response (like paragraphs) so that it is clearer and easier to read. Some of us old farts have trouble reading a wall of text, and might just ignore some posts like yours altogether. Thanks in advance.
If you are getting juice in your mouth while you draw on the tanks, your cartomizer is "flooded", or has too much juice in it. A very stiff draw is also a sign it is flooded. The trick now becomes to find out why it became flooded.
Now, some questions for you:
1. You didn't say what the resistance, or ohms of the Boge carto's are?
2. Describe in detail how you filled the cartomizers prior to putting them into the tank? Also give details how you filled the tank.
3. What is the Pg/Vg ratio of your juices? If you don't know, who is the manufacturer? This info is helpful to determine if the pre-punched holes are adequate or if you might need to use a carto punch tool to make larger/more holes.
4. Not completely familiar with the battery devices that you own by name. Are they both regulated (V-V/V-WW) or unregulated (mechanical)?
I'll reserve any further comments until you've had a chance to reply to the above questions. If I may offer a suggestion for your reply, please add some spacing to your response (like paragraphs) so that it is clearer and easier to read. Some of us old farts have trouble reading a wall of text, and might just ignore some posts like yours altogether. Thanks in advance.
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You need to watch this. Everything you need to know about cartomizers and carto tanks. From filling to punching cartos and everything in between. A must see for the new carto tank user.
If a carto is flooded, performance will take a nosedive. Spitting juice would also indicate a flooding carto.
But, I'm confused about the burning part. Dual coil cartos can take a LOT of power compared to standard cartos of the same resistance. You are pushing two 3ohm cartos basically with a 1.5ohm dualcoil.
If I had to take a guess, I'd say for some reason you burned the carto when first starting out, but not too bad. Now if you start to turn the power up the burned flavor becomes more apparent, but if it's burnt it's burnt, there is nothing you can do to fix it.
The holes in the dualcoil carto are smaller because (I assume) smoktech realizes that their filler material is much looser than a Boge, so bigger holes would cause flooding issues. Even with a single hole smoktech carto I have had flooding issues.
Smoktech cartos, in my opinion, are REALLY hit or miss. Some perform great (to the point I prefer "good" ST cartos over Boges) but many have severe flooding issues or other problems. That's why I stick with Boges, they are far more flood resistant, and far more consistent from carto to carto.
If it was me I'd trash the Smoktechs and stick with Boges. And ditch dual coils all together. But that's just me.
But, I'm confused about the burning part. Dual coil cartos can take a LOT of power compared to standard cartos of the same resistance. You are pushing two 3ohm cartos basically with a 1.5ohm dualcoil.
If I had to take a guess, I'd say for some reason you burned the carto when first starting out, but not too bad. Now if you start to turn the power up the burned flavor becomes more apparent, but if it's burnt it's burnt, there is nothing you can do to fix it.
The holes in the dualcoil carto are smaller because (I assume) smoktech realizes that their filler material is much looser than a Boge, so bigger holes would cause flooding issues. Even with a single hole smoktech carto I have had flooding issues.
Smoktech cartos, in my opinion, are REALLY hit or miss. Some perform great (to the point I prefer "good" ST cartos over Boges) but many have severe flooding issues or other problems. That's why I stick with Boges, they are far more flood resistant, and far more consistent from carto to carto.
If it was me I'd trash the Smoktechs and stick with Boges. And ditch dual coils all together. But that's just me.
I just noticed the Advanced option for Questions/Answers. I had wondered if people were prewriting on another program and just cut and pasting. I will from this point forward attempt to write like the adult I am, and not continue to use the Horrible habits I have picked up as a texter.
First off, thank you to all who have replied. I haven't made it all the way through the video yet, but I appreciate the info I did get and am fairly certain that the method I had been shown for priming the carto was flooding it. Baditudes description of the draw also supports this conclusion.
The set ups: The tanks I have are a 6ml and 3ml Aluminum ended tanks with air channels, that I purchased from SLC Vapor after I had purchased a 5ml XL J-tank from ElectronicStix.com (Love Estix but the tank tubing was cut poorly and only connects to the top piece for about half the diameter before it makes a u dip that goes below the rubber seals.) E Stix Also sold me the 5 pack of XL(3.0ohm) 510 Boge Pre-punched SR Cartos and SLC Vapor sold me a 5 pack of XL 510 Dual coil 1.5 +- 2.0 Ohm cartos with bottom flanges from Company unknown.
I have a SR510XL Boge in the J-tank, which hasn't actually given me any trouble. I also have a Boge in the 3ml Aluminum. It's the Dual Coil 1.5 ohm(According to my iTaste SVD VV/VW Mod) that was giving me problems. The other tanks are on Smok Winders VV ego batteries, which seems to give me the same amount of taste, throat hit, vapor and warmth as the SVD with its supposedly much higher wattage (Set at 8, but can go to 15.)
In the DC that was giving me problems I had a 75/25 pg/vg Juice. I filled it the way I was shown in store at estix with the Boges (A youtube video of poor quality showed me the same method) which was to put the carto through the tube, use the drip tip to push it back down so I only had a 1/8th inch space between the top of the carto (uncovered) and the bottom lip of the tanks, then I used a curve tipped 6ml syringe to fill the tank to just below the carto top. I pushed the carto all the way back up, inserted a drip tip, placed a finger over the 510 air hole, and would inhale and then lift my finger, which would cause air bubbles to exit the carto, while fluid entered. I did this till half the tank had absorbed into the filler, then topped off the tank. It instantly started to spit out juice when I tried to vape, and it produced little vapor between 3.8 and 4.2v. Anything over 4.2 tastes burned, anything under 8 watts or 3.8v gave me no hit at all. The only time I received a half decent toot was if I put the Dual Coil on the Smok Winder at 4.4v.
The Boges have given me no trouble with this same fill technique (though with them I use a 50/50 blend), and I switched out the Dual Coil for a double punched XL SR 801 (I'm guessing) Smok carto, and it also works well with this filling technique(still with the 75/25 juice.) Though I am certain at this point that it was flooding the carto that made it perform so poorly. If I took off the drip tip the area directly under always had fluid above the white cap, and if I used the syringe to remove it you could watch it sweat fluid right back up into the space the drip tip left. I tried a flicking method to get the fluid out of the drip tip, but the success rate wasn't great and that carto never worked right so I tossed it.
I have a lot of Cartos to go through now (Estix had some misdelivered 801 XL Smok cartos for $0.50), but I would like to know the proper way to fill/use the 4 remaining Dual Coil Cartos I have. I believe that even with the smaller hole the 75/25 juice can fill it correctly, if I know the correct way to fill (I am guessing once I finish the 45min Youtube video I will know how.)
Those 801 Smok cartos may not fit your 510 battery connector without an 510-801 adaptor. 
PBusardo uses the condom fill technique to fill his cartos. Nothing wrong with that, I just found it to be unnecessarily time-consuming. My method takes less than 10 minutes start to finish and is ready to vape right out of the gate. There's no one way that is "best", only whichever method that works best for you.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3710-5-cartomizer-tank-setup.html
PBusardo uses the condom fill technique to fill his cartos. Nothing wrong with that, I just found it to be unnecessarily time-consuming. My method takes less than 10 minutes start to finish and is ready to vape right out of the gate. There's no one way that is "best", only whichever method that works best for you.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3710-5-cartomizer-tank-setup.html
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