New to vaping - Looking for some direction

[Captain45]

So I decided to quit cigars. I smoke them for the relaxation and taste rather than for the nicotine. I went to a B&M and they set me up with an aspire breeze as an easy way to get into vaping without a lot of setup and some 0nic 70/30 Naked POG.

It seems okay but since I don't inhale cigars, I find the draw to be a bit loose on the Breeze and the battery life to be a bit short. I taped the ventilation hole up slightly to help with the draw but the battery life still suffers. When I smoke I like to sit and relax for a good 30-45 minutes and hit regularly (like a cigar) and the Breeze couldnt keep up. Since then, I've done a lot of reading up and watching YT videos but Im still pretty green in this world.

My question to the experience folks out there, what would be a good setup for my style of vaping? A few local people suggested a Zeloes nautilus 2 kit as its a simple setup, can simulate puffing cigars and good to MTL if I did end up inhaling sometime.

Additionally, I think I may have some sensitivity to the e-liquid i got but not totally sure. I get a bad headache and stuffed head when using the Naked POG. Few people hinted it could be the PG irritating me (not sure if thats possible if Im not inhaling), or even the fact that even though I don't smoke for nicotine, I could be having some withdrawals from cigars. Something I have to explore more but if I did need to go to a PG free liquid like Velvet Cloud, what type of device can could handle that liquid and still offer a restricted cigar style puffing? Would the Nautilus 2 fail at this?

Lots of questions I know, thanks for any responses!

 

[U2Desire]

Anyone have experience with the V-Cigar V-Cigar Kit | Smoke In Style
A list of symptoms when quitting tobacco and changing to an ecigarette 3. Headache, Nausea, Shakiness are some symptoms of withdrawal so that maybe the case. You have to realize that even if you don't inhale you still do absorb nicotine in the mouth and throat.

 

[Letitia]

Welcome to ECF. I don't mtl, but Anna does. @stols001 This gentleman needs some info up your alley. Glad your here with us Captain45.

 

[Gahh]

This is a tuff one.
Cigars give off smoke like a Smok Beast puts out clouds.
Not inhaling, yet looking for a tight draw and decent cloud.....
Sounds like an old Nautilus (or) Nautilus mini , with a (1.6 ohm coil,) might work best for you.
And a 1.6 ohm coil at 20-25 watts should get nice clouds and good battery life.
Here is a link to check out. The price is right, the wait could take 4 weeks.
$7.14 Nautilus Mini Styled BVC Clearomizer - 2ml / 1.6ohm / stainless steel + glass at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
Also here is a juice you might like from Fastech as well. ( Cohiba Flavored. I use a few drops of this mixed in with my day to day flavors to change things up. Just a few drops for me rounds off my flavors to a new level.)
$4.62 Dekang E-liquid for Electronic Cigarettes (50ml) - cohiba flavor / nicotine 8mg/ml at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
You will need a mod for this tank. Preferably a mod with built in battery.
$23.15 Authentic Eleaf iStick 30W 2200mAh Variable Voltage / Wattage APV Box Mod - 2-8V / 5-30W / black at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

 

[Gahh]

So I decided to quit cigars. I smoke them for the relaxation and taste rather than for the nicotine. I went to a B&M and they set me up with an aspire breeze as an easy way to get into vaping without a lot of setup and some 0nic 70/30 Naked POG.

It seems okay but since I don't inhale cigars, I find the draw to be a bit loose on the Breeze and the battery life to be a bit short. I taped the ventilation hole up slightly to help with the draw but the battery life still suffers. When I smoke I like to sit and relax for a good 30-45 minutes and hit regularly (like a cigar) and the Breeze couldnt keep up. Since then, I've done a lot of reading up and watching YT videos but Im still pretty green in this world.

My question to the experience folks out there, what would be a good setup for my style of vaping? A few local people suggested a Zeloes nautilus 2 kit as its a simple setup, can simulate puffing cigars and good to MTL if I did end up inhaling sometime.

Additionally, I think I may have some sensitivity to the e-liquid i got but not totally sure. I get a bad headache and stuffed head when using the Naked POG. Few people hinted it could be the PG irritating me (not sure if thats possible if Im not inhaling), or even the fact that even though I don't smoke for nicotine, I could be having some withdrawals from cigars. Something I have to explore more but if I did need to go to a PG free liquid like Velvet Cloud, what type of device can could handle that liquid and still offer a restricted cigar style puffing? Would the Nautilus 2 fail at this?

Lots of questions I know, thanks for any responses!

The juice they gave you was stated by you as 70/30. That's 70% VG ( Vegetable Glycerin ) & 30% PG ( Propylene Glycol )
If they set you up with that, I would hope the Breeze can handle thick juices, (VG)

 

[Gahh]

So I decided to quit cigars. I smoke them for the relaxation and taste rather than for the nicotine. I went to a B&M and they set me up with an aspire breeze as an easy way to get into vaping without a lot of setup and some 0nic 70/30 Naked POG.

It seems okay but since I don't inhale cigars, I find the draw to be a bit loose on the Breeze and the battery life to be a bit short. I taped the ventilation hole up slightly to help with the draw but the battery life still suffers. When I smoke I like to sit and relax for a good 30-45 minutes and hit regularly (like a cigar) and the Breeze couldnt keep up. Since then, I've done a lot of reading up and watching YT videos but Im still pretty green in this world.

My question to the experience folks out there, what would be a good setup for my style of vaping? A few local people suggested a Zeloes nautilus 2 kit as its a simple setup, can simulate puffing cigars and good to MTL if I did end up inhaling sometime.

Additionally, I think I may have some sensitivity to the e-liquid i got but not totally sure. I get a bad headache and stuffed head when using the Naked POG. Few people hinted it could be the PG irritating me (not sure if thats possible if Im not inhaling), or even the fact that even though I don't smoke for nicotine, I could be having some withdrawals from cigars. Something I have to explore more but if I did need to go to a PG free liquid like Velvet Cloud, what type of device can could handle that liquid and still offer a restricted cigar style puffing? Would the Nautilus 2 fail at this?

Lots of questions I know, thanks for any responses!

Just looked into the Aspire Breeze. If you wanted to try what I posted b4, you might be able to go back to the B&M and exchange it for a mod with built in battery, (some where closer to 2000mah(battery life)).. A mod with a 510 connection so you could use a tank that will be more fitting for your needs.
The Aspire Breeze has a 0.6 ohm coil. I'm thinking that's sub ohm, and using up the 650mah quickly. That's what I read the Aspire Breeze has.
To bad your not a neighbor, I have a Vamo, 18650 battery + simple charger (suited for that mod), Aspire Nautilus and I would spare some of my Dekang Cohiba juice.

 

[gandymarsh]

Welcome to ECF!

If you draw tobacco smoke into your mouth, you are getting nicotine and the other chemical compounds released when tobacco is burned, into your bloodstream. Therefore your body may be going through some withdrawal symptoms.

 

[stols001]

Hi,

The breeze might not be fitting your needs because it isn't a true MTL experience (as you are saying it's airy) and also, you only have certain variables to play with and wattage isn't one of them. The Aspire Nautlius is a good first step to having more control over all the variables and the Nautlius 2 is a good MTL tank. I have the Zelos Aspire kit (75 but it comes as a 50 watt device less expensively though if you are looking for longer battery life the 75 may suit you best) and it's a great setup. This will allow you adjust wattage which I don't believe the breeze does. This allows you to choose different coils, which will give you different experiences with different coils. Adjustable wattage is important and one of the things along with coil resistance, and airflow and juice, that will give you a more restricted hit. There are plenty of other kits out there that are good, but the Zelos is a great starter device in my opinion.

The reason you may enjoy a different setup is that it is much more versatile. The Nautilus 2 has an adjustable airflow, which will allow you to control the airiness or tighter draw, more closely mimicking a cigarette. Also, you aren't "tied" to one wattage and will be able to use wattage as a parameter you can change. The N2 tank will come with a 1.8 resistance coil, usually run about 8--12 watts, and a 0.7 coil which usually runs a bit higher wattage wise, and will often last slightly longer. It can be run as MTL too, depending on your settings on your mod, though it usually drinks a bit more e-juice and battery life. The N2 is one of the true "MTL" tanks out there, though there are others. Some people are really happy with a Pico starter kit at a similar price point, for example.

When it comes to nicotine, it's going to be a matter of trial and error. If you were a cigar smoker, you can certainly not inhale just like a cigar if you want-- just hold the vape in your mouth, let it collect, then exhale through your nose. This SHOULD in theory minimize coughing and you will still get absorption, just like a cigar. Nicotine is absorbed through all the mucus membranes, not just the lungs. With that said, you may (or may not) need the same amount of nicotine that you would doing a MTL inhale. You are going to have to experiment with your nic level. Headaches are certainly possible sx of nic overload, but you didn't say what nic level you are using, so it's hard to comment. Many users of MTL equipment are using anywhere between 12-- 24 nic or even higher, but a lot of that will depend on your prior smoking habits, you may need a lower nicotine ratio, a higher VG/PG ratio (unless you wind up being sensitive to PG) to minimize vapor production a bit, and give you a vape stream your body can handle. Since you only smoked cigars and I'm not sure how many, it's a bit hard to tell you where to start at, since I'm not sure how many or how often you smoked them, but if you enjoy vaping STRAIGHT for a long time, a lower nic level may suit you, as that can be a lot of nicotine to absorb in one sitting.... That's not to say you can't make that work for you, but you may have to switch up some variables in your nicotine. It COULD be a PG sensitivity, but I believe it to be far more likely to be nicotine overload.

Best of luck, the Zelos is a good place to go next as you will have a great deal more adjustability in your vape, and it will probably be easier to deal with such a mod than cartos/all-in-ones in any case.

Best of luck,

Anna

 

[TJVapes]

The Nicolas tank is a good MTL tank also. It's a tight draw even with air flow wide open. It's aesthetically more pleasing and easier to fill than the Nautilus 2, just my opinion. I'll never get past how deplorably ugly I think N2. Nicholas tank is available at myvpro.com. I was able also to get it at 3avape for half the price but ships from China. The coils are good in flavor and handle high vg well.

 

[stols001]

Even I cannot argue that the N2 is deplorably ugly, unless you are going for that "Sting in Dune" look, which isn't very lovely, LOL. I'm talking the tank AND the movie.... I do love the metal sleeve protector however, that's a nice feature, and it's an easy to use tank. I haven't heard of the Nicolas tank, I'll have to NOT check it out. Not just at the moment.... I'm doing so well on my new "spend nothing" plan...

Anna

 

[Gahh]

Hi,

The breeze might not be fitting your needs because it isn't a true MTL experience (as you are saying it's airy) and also, you only have certain variables to play with and wattage isn't one of them. The Aspire Nautlius is a good first step to having more control over all the variables and the Nautlius 2 is a good MTL tank. I have the Zelos Aspire kit (75 but it comes as a 50 watt device less expensively though if you are looking for longer battery life the 75 may suit you best) and it's a great setup. This will allow you adjust wattage which I don't believe the breeze does. This allows you to choose different coils, which will give you different experiences with different coils. Adjustable wattage is important and one of the things along with coil resistance, and airflow and juice, that will give you a more restricted hit. There are plenty of other kits out there that are good, but the Zelos is a great starter device in my opinion.

The reason you may enjoy a different setup is that it is much more versatile. The Nautilus 2 has an adjustable airflow, which will allow you to control the airiness or tighter draw, more closely mimicking a cigarette. Also, you aren't "tied" to one wattage and will be able to use wattage as a parameter you can change. The N2 tank will come with a 1.8 resistance coil, usually run about 8--12 watts, and a 0.7 coil which usually runs a bit higher wattage wise, and will often last slightly longer. It can be run as MTL too, depending on your settings on your mod, though it usually drinks a bit more e-juice and battery life. The N2 is one of the true "MTL" tanks out there, though there are others. Some people are really happy with a Pico starter kit at a similar price point, for example.

When it comes to nicotine, it's going to be a matter of trial and error. If you were a cigar smoker, you can certainly not inhale just like a cigar if you want-- just hold the vape in your mouth, let it collect, then exhale through your nose. This SHOULD in theory minimize coughing and you will still get absorption, just like a cigar. Nicotine is absorbed through all the mucus membranes, not just the lungs. With that said, you may (or may not) need the same amount of nicotine that you would doing a MTL inhale. You are going to have to experiment with your nic level. Headaches are certainly possible sx of nic overload, but you didn't say what nic level you are using, so it's hard to comment. Many users of MTL equipment are using anywhere between 12-- 24 nic or even higher, but a lot of that will depend on your prior smoking habits, you may need a lower nicotine ratio, a higher VG/PG ratio (unless you wind up being sensitive to PG) to minimize vapor production a bit, and give you a vape stream your body can handle. Since you only smoked cigars and I'm not sure how many, it's a bit hard to tell you where to start at, since I'm not sure how many or how often you smoked them, but if you enjoy vaping STRAIGHT for a long time, a lower nic level may suit you, as that can be a lot of nicotine to absorb in one sitting.... That's not to say you can't make that work for you, but you may have to switch up some variables in your nicotine. It COULD be a PG sensitivity, but I believe it to be far more likely to be nicotine overload.

Best of luck, the Zelos is a good place to go next as you will have a great deal more adjustability in your vape, and it will probably be easier to deal with such a mod than cartos/all-in-ones in any case.

Best of luck,

Anna

I cant imagine Captain getting any better advice beyond your experience.

 

[Gahh]

The Nicolas tank is a good MTL tank also. It's a tight draw even with air flow wide open. It's aesthetically more pleasing and easier to fill than the Nautilus 2, just my opinion. I'll never get past how deplorably ugly I think N2. Nicholas tank is available at myvpro.com. I was able also to get it at 3avape for half the price but ships from China. The coils are good in flavor and handle high vg well.

When I got my Nautilus years back, It made me think of Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea by Jules Verne. His ship / submarine, the Nautilus was gordy beyond what anyone knew of. Yet the Nautilus gave beauty to the imagination.
I actually liked the odd domed glass tank with ml markings on the side. The look of 50 years ago.

 

[TJVapes]

When I got my Nautilus years back, It made me think of Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea by Jules Verne. His ship / submarine, the Nautilus was gordy beyond what anyone knew of. Yet the Nautilus gave beauty to the imagination.
I actually liked the odd domed glass tank with ml markings on the side. The look of 50 years ago.

Whatever keeps you from smoking is a good thing, so I'm sure it has it's place. I had a terrible time with it flooding and trouble getting the dome off to fill the
Tank. I had planned to give it to a new vaper but just tossed it in the cabinet instead. I can see how one person's ugly is another's treasure. I like weird and unusual but not this one.

@stols001 I wish you had one for comparison since you're so helpful to MTL users. I think it's a great alternative. Good luck with that plan but that's horrid punishment!

@Captain45 If you want my Nautilus 2 tank and some coils, pm me your address. I'd gladly send it along but you'd still need a mod.

 

[stols001]

I agree that the Nautilus 1 is a gorgeous tank. It's still available though it reminds me a lot of the older gear I started on, I do think the N2 is a better vape and I too had leakage issues with the Nautilus 1, that I was too lazy to try and resolve as I didn't adore the vape.... Capitain 45, if you'd like to try one, I'd be happy to send you my Nautilus 1, though I'd feel almost guilty about doing so as it leaked so badly for me. But, it may have been some user error on my part, I really barely fiddled with it. But PM me if you'd like to try something inexpensive. I know some folks still use theirs.

The main annoyance with the N2 is fill-size for me, as you can't even really get more than about 1.6 mls in it without overfilling due to the chimney cap design and leakage issues. Though my N2 almost never leaked at all.

Gah, you're very sweet, but I'm sure others will chime in with great MTL tanks, the melo III (mini, is it?) comes to mind, though I don't own that setup.... I do have the Nautlius X which some users swear by and I am ashamed to admit I haven't vaped yet. That one uses entirely different coils (I think) but you can get an extender tank to 4 ml, and there's a Nautlius X survival kit, which is what I ordered (for less than 30 dollars, total) that comes with an RTA deck, so it's pretty versatile for the price.

@TJVapes, you can send me one to try if you want! I will check it out, but I'm not buying it at this point... Not now I have the Kabuki to pay "off" with some more smoke-free MTL time, LOL.

Anna

 

[Captain45]

Wow great info everyone, much appreciated and thanks for the tank offer Anna and TJ but I just ordered a kit!

Right now I smoke about one cigar a day. The juice I was using in my breeze was 0 nic so I think I can scratch nic overload off the list of possible issues(my issues could be total coincidence with starting to vape, could be weather change or turning my furnace on for the year lol etc jury is still out) I think I'll try a nic liquid later today and see if that helps but I'm not quite sure on what strength to get since I really only smoke one cigar in the evening.

I just looked at the n2 and it is a little ugly looking I agree but since it seems pretty user friendly and has good reviews I went ahead and ordered a kit with some extra 1.8 coils! Hoping to get it soon

 

[stols001]

If you go with one cigar a day, do you plan on vaping just instead of that cigar? I'd think to stay pretty low on nic in that case, since you'll probably be vaping like a cigar-- on and off, but over a specified period of time, like an hour or so? If that's how you plan on vaping, I think lower nicotine over a longer time span would be best. Hmm... you're probably going to want a "rich" feeling vapor (I don't smoke cigars but the husband does) so I might lean a little higher on the VG than the PG to get a nice, cloudy vape, and I'd think you can get that with the right PG/VG mix. I have to use max VG due to PG sensitivity, and I get more clouds than most MTL vapers for that reason alone... I minimize airflow and wattage to compensate, and it works out fine. But the N2 has a fairly adjustable airflow and I think you made a good choice as you likely won't be filling it that much if you are "replacing" the cigar, or looking to. I think you made a good choice, and if you can taste some liquids at a B&M, it could potentially be that whatever was in the Breeze didn't suit you somehow. Sometimes a particular flavor will just make me feel "off", for example vanillas make me hoarse.

If you want something comparable taste wise to a cigar, you might try NET liquid (naturally extracted tobacco) liquid. They can be a tad pricier, but your really cannot beat them for authentic tobacco taste. Might be worth looking into, as flavor actually does play a role I find, in switching over to vaping. If I don't have a flavor I *enjoy* I am far less likely to want to vape it. People who use NETs report that they taste more like "real" tobacco, and I'd imagine you could even find a good cigar flavor that you like in that arena....

Best of luck, I think you made a good choice in the N2, and it won't break the bank if you wind up with something different later... I look at my former useless purchases and decided they were the yellow brick road to get me to that "vape happy" place where I can stay away from tobacco. So it will take time, it may take some experimentation, but I'm confident you'll get to where you need to be with vaping if you persevere!

Good luck!

Anna

 

[TJVapes]

Wow great info everyone, much appreciated and thanks for the tank offer Anna and TJ but I just ordered a kit!

Right now I smoke about one cigar a day. The juice I was using in my breeze was 0 nic so I think I can scratch nic overload off the list of possible issues. I think I'll try a nic liquid later today and see if I have the same issues but I'm not quite sure on what strength to get since I really only smoke one cigar in the evening.

I just looked at the n2 and it is a little ugly looking I agree but since it seems pretty user friendly I went ahead and ordered a kit with some extra 1.8 coils! Hoping to get it soon.

I hope you like it. I find it hard to believe that your symptoms would be from nic withdrawal. You might have to do a process of elimination and try low flavor profiles or unflavored. It's just as likely a reaction to flavors or even just a coincidence? Sometimes those thing pass on their own without changing your juice. I personally would keep it low as possible.

@stols001 I will if you send your address. I have an extra, sealed. I rarely MTL anymore and would have given it away any way if the shipping had timed out right. That vaper got an NX

 

[stols001]

That is so nice of you, TJVapes! You just never know when a joke will turn into something awesome on this forum! I'm always up to try a new MTL tank, and I will PM you! That is super kind, TY! It makes up for my troll morning, earlier, LOL. (Not really relevant, just another member having a meltdown on another thread...) But you cheered me up, I appreciate it!

Anna

 

[QcVaper]

I agree that the Nautilus 1 is a gorgeous tank. It's still available though it reminds me a lot of the older gear I started on, I do think the N2 is a better vape and I too had leakage issues with the Nautilus 1, that I was too lazy to try and resolve as I didn't adore the vape.... Capitain 45, if you'd like to try one, I'd be happy to send you my Nautilus 1, though I'd feel almost guilty about doing so as it leaked so badly for me. But, it may have been some user error on my part, I really barely fiddled with it. But PM me if you'd like to try something inexpensive. I know some folks still use theirs.
Anna

This.... Sold my N1 recently since i don't do mtl anymore and yeah i had more leakage than wanted with it. Never really had an "extreme" leak but airholes kept having bubbles and stuff so i stopped using it (plus the fact it was bottom filled kinda annoyed me too much XD)

 

[Captain45]

Oh I have one more stupid question. If I want to switch my breeze or newcoming n2 e liquid out to something else, what do I do with the unspent coil that's saturated in the old flavor? Do I just take it out and put it in a zip lock or something until I use that flavor again? Or do I just pop the old one back into the new flavor and let the new flavor work it's way through the cotton?