New to vaping, please help.

[Microlite]

Hi fellow vapers,

I have been smoking for about 48 years. I have made many attempts to quit but always failed. I have been trying e-cigs since they were introduced to the consumer market. I have boxes full of vaping kits that I paid a small fortune for. These kits are from back in the day when they looked like real cigarettes, I would try every brand and model for a day or 2 and then I would back on Silk Cuts Purple.

I have now bought myself a Koopor Mini, Aspire Triton 2 and a Uwell Crown. I have also invested in a Royal Hunter dripper.

I want to seriously quit analogues and first signs are good. I have not touched an analogue in over 2 weeks and love the taste of a particular juice I purchased from my local vape shop.

I would like to ask a few questions to you veteran vapers in the hope you will help with the answers. Here are my questions:

1 I am buying 30ml 6mg juice and finishing it in 3 days. Am I vaping too much?

2. I have tried almost all the juices from 3 different local vape shops but yet to find anything that resembles the taste of an analogue in particular Silk Cut. Can anyone recommend a juice that really taste like an analogue?

3 I am very fond of a particular juice which is made by Simple and is French Tobacco but at £19.00 per 30ml it is very expensive. Im sure the packaging adds to the cost, it is packed like a very expensive perfume (very fancy and unnecessary imho). Has anybody else tried this juice and is it available from other manufacturers at a more reasonable price?

Thank you all in advance and enjoy your vaping.

 

[daleron]

1. Question ... probably not, some people do vape that much, personally I don't but that means nothing at all

2. Question... not really ... some people say that unflavored comes the closest to a cig in taste.

3. Question... Never tried it and have no idea.

 

[ashtrayogdc]

I have never tried them but you might want to look into NET (Naturally Extracted Tobbaco) juices.

 

[r77r7r]

Welcome!

1. I vape 30ml@6days 12mg, same total intake as you and that's not uncommon around here.

2. I'm an unflavored user and think it's worth a shot.

 

[vgjohnson]

At 6mg you are going to vape non stop to get your nicotine fix . Start at 24mg and work your way down , it take a little time .

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Are you vaping because you have a physical urge or are you just vaping for the sake of vaping? 6mg is very low especially after 48 years. 12mg is still low.

I vaped only for urges. I had my mod with me always and I had a spare system just in case so I didn't feel compelled to buy a pack of cigs because I stepped on my mod...or left it on the roof of the car when I left for work. Sure, I wanted a taste that I could tolerate, but my taste buds and sense of smell were pretty beat-up from smoking. So, expensive, complex flavors weren't worth it.

I just got myself away from the umpteen number of chemicals in cigs. I used simple tanks with simple coils. I saved a lot of money.

 

[PapawBrett]

I am no expert, at anything, and don't ever want to be one. I do think 10ml a day is a little much, but if keeps you off of tobacco then continue. You might consider raising your nicotine level. I personally started at 18mg of nicotine, then after a few months dropped to 12. After 3 and 1/2 years I am mixing my own at 10mg. I am guessing by your currency you are in Europe, maybe you could look into a vendor named El Toro for your e-liquids. I believe they have been successful in that part of the world.
The main thing is Don't Smoke ! Vaping is an Alternative, not a Substitute. Grit it out for a few weeks, and Vaping will become more natural. After a few months the smell of burning tobacco will seem rancid to you. You will come to a point where you will pass people in public, smell tobacco odors emanating off of their clothing, and ask yourself "Did I smell that bad ?" By then you won't want to even consider tobacco anymore.

 

[Hotwire]

2 juices that taste similar to analogues = Hangsen RY4 and RY6. YMMV and taste is subjective etc.... but they are real close without the perfumey or nasty nutty taste some liquid makers try...

In the high performance tanks you describe 10ml is not a lot.

A few years ago when the hottest vape was on a small LR 501 / 306 coil at around 1.6ohms heavy vapers went through less, but now in sub ohm tanks and even Nautilus style tanks that is not a lot.

I am not a heavy vaper at all. I filled a 2ml Nautilus mini last night and it was almost gone in an hour or so of light non chain vaping at 15W. 3ml full subtank nano at .5ohm and 27.5W will last an hour of non chain vaping if I'm lucky.

If you vape all day, using said types of tanks, that's just the way it is sadly.... I got the Nautilus as I believed the 1.8ohm coils would use less juice as I was also halving my wattage from the subtanks, but sadly no....

You want more vapour, you have to burn through more juice.

You want to burn through less juice you have to produce less vapour and use an EVOD or similar and just hotbox the hell out of it. I can hotbox an EVOD full of heavy PG, light VG juice all day long and only go through 2ml....

but buy yourself and EVOD and see how your juice compares in it compared to the other tanks you mentioned - like comparing a Cuban cigar to a silk cut ha ha

You CAN condition yourself to burn though less juice.

I do this by

1. Only using an ego 650mah battery and an EVOD and Hangsen (cheap but decent) liquids at work and never taking anything else to work. I only have a vape break for the same time and ammount of draws I'd have off of 1 cigarette.

2. Then I treat my VW/VV device and subtanks / nautilus and expensive tasty juices as 'Pleasure / Treat Vaping' and only use them in the evenings or at social occasions.

So I only vape about 1ml of inexpensive liquid on the EVOD by day and then about 3ml on the subtanks at night. 6mg NICOTINE in the evod (was light smoker) and zero in the subtanks but at 30W the heat is enough....

 

[Microlite]

2 juices that taste similar to analogues = Hangsen RY4 and RY6. YMMV and taste is subjective etc.... but they are real close without the perfumey or nasty nutty taste some liquid makers try...

In the high performance tanks you describe 10ml is not a lot.

A few years ago when the hottest vape was on a small LR 501 / 306 coil at around 1.6ohms heavy vapers went through less, but now in sub ohm tanks and even Nautilus style tanks that is not a lot.

I am not a heavy vaper at all. I filled a 2ml Nautilus mini last night and it was almost gone in an hour or so of light non chain vaping at 15W. 3ml full subtank nano at .5ohm and 27.5W will last an hour of non chain vaping if I'm lucky.

If you vape all day, using said types of tanks, that's just the way it is sadly.... I got the Nautilus as I believed the 1.8ohm coils would use less juice as I was also halving my wattage from the subtanks, but sadly no....

You want more vapour, you have to burn through more juice.

You want to burn through less juice you have to produce less vapour and use an EVOD or similar and just hotbox the hell out of it. I can hotbox an EVOD full of heavy PG, light VG juice all day long and only go through 2ml....

but buy yourself and EVOD and see how your juice compares in it compared to the other tanks you mentioned - like comparing a Cuban cigar to a silk cut ha ha

You CAN condition yourself to burn though less juice.

I do this by

1. Only using an ego 650mah battery and an EVOD and Hangsen (cheap but decent) liquids at work and never taking anything else to work. I only have a vape break for the same time and ammount of draws I'd have off of 1 cigarette.

2. Then I treat my VW/VV device and subtanks / nautilus and expensive tasty juices as 'Pleasure / Treat Vaping' and only use them in the evenings or at social occasions.

So I only vape about 1ml of inexpensive liquid on the EVOD by day and then about 3ml on the subtanks at night. 6mg NICOTINE in the evod (was light smoker) and zero in the subtanks but at 30W the heat is enough....

Hi Hotwire,

Thank you for your informative post, much appreciated. I am determined to give up smoking so I will persevere. I was advised to try making my own liquid by a ECF member. Below is a copy of my post in response to his post to me.The juice I'm keen on is described in the post. I only ever tasted a similar juice at an e-juice shop on the Great Cambridge roundabout. The juice they sell is called Black Smoke, it similar in some ways to the French Tobacco but the FT is in a league of its own. Here is copy of my post:

Thank you very much for the warm welcome and your detailed post. I am very keen on making my own juice but will I ever get the ingredients to French Tobacco? I doubt it very much as the manufacturer would never reveal this information. This is how one review for this juice reads:

"Smooth, full flavoured, satisfying and all those things Big Tobacco say to get you to smoke their brands, Simple's French Tobacco is all those things and more. Tobacco vape lovers should definitely give this full bodied juice a try, as should those who've tried a couple but found them a bit acrid. There's definitely a dark chocolate background and a touch of something spicy. This is a vape for those of us who still miss that after-dinner smoke, great with a bitter coffee. Astonishingly good"

I would be prepared to buy a sample of every e-juice flavouring product on the market if it means what Simple use in their French Tobacco is guaranteed to be one of the samples purchased. You make your own juice, what are the chances of me ever finding the main ingredient for the FT?

I have tried almost every fruit flavoured juice but its just not doing it for me. As for the FT, it's an acquired taste and for some odd reason I love the damn thing. I have watched a YouTube video on how to make my own juice and am keen to get started. Simple are having a Black Friday Sale and have reduced their price to £11.89 for the 30ml 6mg bottle so I bought 5. My plan is to make my own by the time I finish my stock of 5 bottles but of course that all depends on finding the right supplier with the right flavours.

Would the description in the above review give you a clue as to what the bases of this juice may be? A friend that tried it described it as "smoking a jumper burnt on charcoal grill". He may well have a point but it does have very subtle sweet and spicy taste too, as described in the above review.

I really hope I can find the right supplier with right flavours to do this myself so any help from you experienced vapers and juice makers is most appreciated.

Enjoy your vaping and once again thank you for a very helpful post.

 

[Microlite]

2 juices that taste similar to analogues = Hangsen RY4 and RY6. YMMV and taste is subjective etc.... but they are real close without the perfumey or nasty nutty taste some liquid makers try...

In the high performance tanks you describe 10ml is not a lot.

A few years ago when the hottest vape was on a small LR 501 / 306 coil at around 1.6ohms heavy vapers went through less, but now in sub ohm tanks and even Nautilus style tanks that is not a lot.

I am not a heavy vaper at all. I filled a 2ml Nautilus mini last night and it was almost gone in an hour or so of light non chain vaping at 15W. 3ml full subtank nano at .5ohm and 27.5W will last an hour of non chain vaping if I'm lucky.

If you vape all day, using said types of tanks, that's just the way it is sadly.... I got the Nautilus as I believed the 1.8ohm coils would use less juice as I was also halving my wattage from the subtanks, but sadly no....

You want more vapour, you have to burn through more juice.

You want to burn through less juice you have to produce less vapour and use an EVOD or similar and just hotbox the hell out of it. I can hotbox an EVOD full of heavy PG, light VG juice all day long and only go through 2ml....

but buy yourself and EVOD and see how your juice compares in it compared to the other tanks you mentioned - like comparing a Cuban cigar to a silk cut ha ha

You CAN condition yourself to burn though less juice.

I do this by

1. Only using an ego 650mah battery and an EVOD and Hangsen (cheap but decent) liquids at work and never taking anything else to work. I only have a vape break for the same time and ammount of draws I'd have off of 1 cigarette.

2. Then I treat my VW/VV device and subtanks / nautilus and expensive tasty juices as 'Pleasure / Treat Vaping' and only use them in the evenings or at social occasions.

So I only vape about 1ml of inexpensive liquid on the EVOD by day and then about 3ml on the subtanks at night. 6mg NICOTINE in the evod (was light smoker) and zero in the subtanks but at 30W the heat is enough....

Hi again Hotwire,

I should have mentioned I tried RY4 and its not bad. The only problem I had was that after a couple of days I thought I was smoking burnt cardboard. I have not tried the RY6, i might try that soon. Thanks.

 

[herb]

Baditude has a great blog on why it's a waste of time to try and duplicate the analog flavor you are giving up , i just can't seem to find it at the moment .

Like so many, i too was insistent on duplicating my favored "Marlboro Medium" flavor when i started vaping and i'm still looking for it to be honest but from what i'm told it doesn't exist .

Vaping is a different experience but not an inferior experience , you are going through what thousands of others have gone through but it does get better .

The search for the perfect juice that satisfies 100% of the time is never ending , the key to vaping is having a variety and switching throughout the day as a single flavor always gets old if you vape it enough.

I also agree that if your vaping 6 mg you will be vaping non stop to beat those urges , remember that sub ohm ing is only one way to vape , i have been vaping a few years now and do not sub ohm as i prefer lower wattage vaping because imo thats where the flavor shines.

When i started i needed 24 mg nic , 6 mg i would of never of made it. I would go 12 mg with sub ohm to get that 24 mg satisfaction when vaping non sub ohm. 6 mg is just too low even with sub ohm if your experiencing serious cravings.

 

[Microlite]

Baditude has a great blog on why it's a waste of time to try and duplicate the analog flavor you are giving up , i just can't seem to find it at the moment .

Like so many, i too was insistent on duplicating my favored "Marlboro Medium" flavor when i started vaping and i'm still looking for it to be honest but from what i'm told it doesn't exist .

Vaping is a different experience but not an inferior experience , you are going through what thousands of others have gone through but it does get better .

The search for the perfect juice that satisfies 100% of the time is never ending , the key to vaping is having a variety and switching throughout the day as a single flavor always gets old if you vape it enough.

I also agree that if your vaping 6 mg you will be vaping non stop to beat those urges , remember that sub ohm ing is only one way to vape , i have been vaping a few years now and do not sub ohm as i prefer lower wattage vaping because imo thats where the flavor shines.

When i started i needed 24 mg nic , 6 mg i would of never of made it. I would go 12 mg with sub ohm to get that 24 mg satisfaction when vaping non sub ohm. 6 mg is just too low even with sub ohm if your experiencing serious cravings.

Hi Herb

Thank you for your post. You are probably 100% right, it is an impossible task to duplicate an analogue. I started with basic kits and was on 24mg nicotine then I went back to analogue. When I purchased my new kit I was categorically told not use anything above 6mg as my subtask is not designed for it. I don't mind the 6mg and it tastes great, my only problem is I bought a lot of 10ml juices of all flavours and I just couldn't get used to them. I then visited my local vape shop in North London and was introduced to the French Tobacco and I loved it. The only problem with that is they charge £19.00 for 30ml. Thats not value for money imho. You get it on line for £16.99 but with postage it cost the same as my local shop. OK, its not a fortune but I tend to finish a 30ml bottle in 3 days so I thought if I could find the recipe for it I'll try making my own but its probably an impossible task for someone like me. I'll just have too keep paying the £19.00 and enjoy my vaping. Bearing in mind I was paying £anything between £9.40 and £9.60 for my Silk Cut Purples it's still a significant saving.

 

[herb]

Hi Herb

Thank you for your post. You are probably 100% right, it is an impossible task to duplicate an analogue. I started with basic kits and was on 24mg nicotine then I went back to analogue. When I purchased my new kit I was categorically told not use anything above 6mg as my subtask is not designed for it. I don't mind the 6mg and it tastes great, my only problem is I bought a lot of 10ml juices of all flavours and I just couldn't get used to them. I then visited my local vape shop in North London and was introduced to the French Tobacco and I loved it. The only problem with that is they charge £19.00 for 30ml. Thats not value for money imho. You get it on line for £16.99 but with postage it cost the same as my local shop. OK, its not a fortune but I tend to finish a 30ml bottle in 3 days so I thought if I could find the recipe for it I'll try making my own but its probably an impossible task for someone like me. I'll just have too keep paying the £19.00 and enjoy my vaping. Bearing in mind I was paying £anything between £9.40 and £9.60 for my Silk Cut Purples it's still a significant saving.

Actually i DO NOT think being able to replicate "French Tobacco or Silk Cut Purples would be too difficult to do , i have seen many UK based forums discussing DIY stuff and lots of them know exactly what you are talking about .

I am going to do some extensive searches myself for you and i will post back what i find , don't give up .

 

[twgbonehead]

Hi, Microlite, Welcome to ECF!

As others have said, you might try upping the nicotine content; if it gets you vaping less, you've come out ahead. Yes, on the kind of equipment you are using, you should only go so high on nic content, but if I were you, I would at least try some 12mg, and see if it lasts you longer.

You might also try diluting the liquid with some plain VG and/or PG, and see if the taste still satisfies you after the dilution (then you can up the nic content of what you buy; the dilution will bring it back down). Most vendors don't charge any more for higher nic content, and you may find the flavor is just fine. (Start with a small sample, though!)

In any case, 10ml/day is certainly not excessive (although at £19.00 it might be financially excessive).

 

[Microlite]

Actually i DO NOT think being able to replicate "French Tobacco or Silk Cut Purples would be too difficult to do , i have seen many UK based forums discussing DIY stuff and lots of them know exactly what you are talking about .

I am going to do some extensive searches myself for you and i will post back what i find , don't give up .

Thanks a lot herb. You guys are great and I'm so happy to be in such good company.

 

[Microlite]

Hi, Microlite, Welcome to ECF!

As others have said, you might try upping the nicotine content; if it gets you vaping less, you've come out ahead. Yes, on the kind of equipment you are using, you should only go so high on nic content, but if I were you, I would at least try some 12mg, and see if it lasts you longer.

You might also try diluting the liquid with some plain VG and/or PG, and see if the taste still satisfies you after the dilution (then you can up the nic content of what you buy; the dilution will bring it back down). Most vendors don't charge any more for higher nic content, and you may find the flavor is just fine. (Start with a small sample, though!)

In any case, 10ml/day is certainly not excessive (although at £19.00 it might be financially excessive).

Thank you for your warm welcome, twgbonehead. I've been thinking along those lines too, increasing the nicotine to a 12mg. I've ordered 5 X 30ml 6mg at a good price, the suppliers are having a Black Friday Sale so I though I'd better stock up. Once I use up my stock there are 2 things I want to try. One is a higher nicotine and the other is to try making y own juice. I believe there is a dedicated DIY juice section on the forum, may pay it a visit later. Thanks a lot for your useful tips.

 

[herb]

Well , i found a thread that may be helpful Microlite , seems a few of these people were in the same boat as you , it's not a new thread but it's interesting , will look further .


Any flavour close to a Silk Cut as am smoking more again..!

 

[twgbonehead]

Thank you for your warm welcome, twgbonehead. I've been thinking along those lines too, increasing the nicotine to a 12mg. I've ordered 5 X 30ml 6mg at a good price, the suppliers are having a Black Friday Sale so I though I'd better stock up. Once I use up my stock there are 2 things I want to try. One is a higher nicotine and the other is to try making y own juice. I believe there is a dedicated DIY juice section on the forum, may pay it a visit later. Thanks a lot for your useful tips.

Glad to see you here!

Don't forget the suggestion to try diluting the liquid a bit (or a lot) with PG or glycerine. You might be surprised (and, of course, you might be disappointed). Flavor strength in e-liquids can be kind of weird, and you can't really know how well "stretching" a liquid will work until you try it (and sometimes it will bring out subtleties in the flavors that you don't notice at full-strength). In any case, since you're thinking about DIY, getting some PG and VG is already on your plate, so it's an easy experiment to try!

 

[JDC1958]

On my days off I easily vape 15ml and mixing my own now to save money. I am using a Sigeleli 75 and Tobeco Mini Super Tank. The sub ohm set-up I have now is easily what’s worked best for me; as this is my 3rd ecig setup.

1st time I tried was about four years ago with a Leo Cartomizer and a 24mg nic level and I failed miserably at quitting. I've had one two day hiccup with a last coil going bad. Otherwise Cig free 41 of the last 43 days.

Keep trying is all I can say. The money I have saved over the last 6 weeks at 6 dollars a pack more than pays for what I have spent this time around.

 

[Microlite]

Well , i found a thread that may be helpful Microlite , seems a few of these people were in the same boat as you , it's not a new thread but it's interesting , will look further .


Any flavour close to a Silk Cut as am smoking more again..!

Great find, herb. I took a note of all these from one of posts. I've never tried any of these flavours so will definitely give them a go. Thanks a million for taking the time ti find this thread for me.
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