New York just banned flavored e-cigs, starting immediately

[sofarsogood]

Oh great. One shop owner is saying that DIY kits will cause issues. Thanks buddy. Another recommends no online sales of nicotine e-liquid; it should only be available in vape shops. grrrrr... I could be wrong, but I think reps from American Cancer Assoc, American Lung Association and American Heart Association all were advocates of banning all flavors. Vape shops are recommending to stop selling them in convenience stores. One guy just called them out on tax revenue.

You make valid observations. The shop owners justify what preserves their business model, not necessarily what might be best for former smokers trying quit and stay quit. I have mixed feelings about the vape speciality shops. I visit a couple may be once a year and rarely find anything I want to buy. I'm amazed that DIY is not the norm. It saves me so much money it amounts to high wage work.

 

[RedForeman]

i live in NY. i have hated NY for a long time. i wished i could afford to move. i never did like emperor andy. he's the biggest lying piece of filth i have ever seen in this state. i drive milk tanker for a living and i pickup farmer's milk. not that long ago he passed that stupid farm labor bill, apparently without even the slightest bit of research on the current financial state if the farms which is quite poor.

I'm not in NY, but do run refrigerated trucks into the area often enough to know my way around a little.

Something that came to mind: what about the reservations? Judging by your posted location and job description, I'm guessing you're in and around that Friendship co-op and maybe others I just don't know about, which is just east of the Seneca casino and truck stops over near Limestone/Salamanca. Since they already got quite the tobacco racket going on there, I bet they become a go-to for prohibited vape stuff too.

 

[ad356]

I'm not in NY, but do run refrigerated trucks into the area often enough to know my way around a little.

Something that came to mind: what about the reservations? Judging by your posted location and job description, I'm guessing you're in and around that Friendship co-op and maybe others I just don't know about, which is just east of the Seneca casino and truck stops over near Limestone/Salamanca. Since they already got quite the tobacco racket going on there, I bet they become a go-to for prohibited vape stuff too.

Indian reservation? that's where most of the contraband cigarettes come from. by contraband i mean no tax stamp. i drive for walton milk hauling. friendship is a milk plant, i typically only go to oatka in batavia.

 

[Jman8]

Sorry guys, but this is the environment we created. In my lifetime the one thing we have perfected is hypocrisy. We love telling other people what they should be doing. Everything is a debate and argument and the mob rules. From your choices between paper and plastic to how you should raise your kids and it backfired on us. I would love to be the President of the mind your own business club, but I'm a hypocrite too...

Agree with this post, especially with how we (collectively) manage hypocrisy. Like the fact that many of us here (that are over 40) smoked when we were teens but think it god awful that any teen today would vape (nic). Did someone in the 1970's (or earlier) telling you that smoking is bad make you want it less, or more? Be honest.

Anyway, the ship has long long sailed away for responsible teen vaping. But to say we (adult vapers) had no part in this current situation is laughable.

Trump peddling fake news (that vaping flavors are in some way tied to recent vaping deaths) is deplorable.

But even more deplorable than that, IMO, is vapers/ex-smokers who peddle the idea that 480,000 people die from smoking every year. Guess who makes that information well known? And that you are in cahoots with them if you agree with that as if it is "indisputable fact." Not only is it disputable, it's not even close to being a fact.

This is all stuff I would've said 4 years ago on this forum. I think it still bears repeating, but I also recognize vast majority aren't going to change their ways. Just compelled to note that part of us getting to this point is based on us putting out the same dumb rhetoric that ANTZ wants everyone to accept as 'fact' without any looking into. So, I honestly think we vapers are around 5% responsible for what's negatively going on in today's vaping world. ANTZ members (who are proud to be on that side) are around 60% to blame, and then general public is around 35% to blame, but ignorant sheep exist on every political topic, ever.

 

[DarrenMG]

It's a ban on selling flavored e-liquid. If you got them, vape'm.

This is becoming a national flavor ban. Relocating won't do anything.

I guess I need to go read this new law. If it was just a ban on a complete product, e-cig + a 'flavored' (whtatever that means) cartridge, it shouldn't put vape shops out of business, but yea if the ban is on flavored e-liquids, the bread and butter of the industry, yea, vape shops will be closing their doors.

Guess I need to go order some five pawns castle long while it's still available.

 

[AttyPops]

It almost doesn't matter "what it is now" assuming it will change, either with revisions in the state or from the Fed level (see senate bills in D.C.)

They're locking us into "tamper proof carts". That will mean BT makes and distributes them. I doubt the current vape-industry is organized enough to put in open standards fast enough to get them passed and have an open-cart/pod system.

So BT will own it, and it will be tobacco flavors. And that will, deliberately and theoretically, discourage youth uptake. As to current smokers, once they get to the point of banning or otherwise reducing the availability of cigs, they won't have a choice except to switch.

 

[RedForeman]

Indian reservation? that's where most of the contraband cigarettes come from. by contraband i mean no tax stamp. i drive for walton milk hauling. friendship is a milk plant, i typically only go to oatka in batavia.

Yes the indian reservation. I'm not up there much lately due to changing rates/lanes. Last time I was across I-86 was a few months ago. I staged overnight at Sassy's at exit 23 for an early am Olean stop. I did not think to look around to see what vape products were there, since I order everything online and never need to buy anything on the road. The native tobacco products are heavily promoted if that's any indication.

I know they do their thing with tobacco and gambling due to being sovereign land. I'm just unfamiliar with how much or little they would care about or comply with a ban issued by NY state government. Seems like it would be a captive market for them, as well as an opportunity for New Yorkers that are outside the orbit of NYC.

 

[ad356]

if i know the natives it will be an endless battle with the state trying to coerce them to cooperate and the natives refusing to cooperate. years ago they closed the 90 and burned tires on the interstate in protest, this was over tobacco taxes. the battle has gone on for decades. i doubt the natives would comply on vapor bans, however if it became a ban on the federal level i believe the natives would be forced to comply with federal law.

 

[Myrany]

if i know the natives it will be an endless battle with the state trying to coerce them to cooperate and the natives refusing to cooperate. years ago they closed the 90 and burned tires on the interstate in protest, this was over tobacco taxes. the battle has gone on for decades. i doubt the natives would comply on vapor bans, however if it became a ban on the federal level i believe the natives would be forced to comply with federal law.

Starting to wonder if I should use my Blood card and move to the reservation.

 

[Katya]

The vote by the state Public Health and Health Planning Council means the ban, which covers all flavored cigarettes and other vaping products except for menthol and tobacco flavors, goes into effect immediately. Retailers will have two weeks to remove merchandise from store shelves.

New York Bans Sale of Flavored E-cigarettes, the First State in the U.S. to Do So

Menthol and tobacco only? Sorry, I don't like those flavors.

Is this the end for the majority of vape shops? Who's going to bother to have a vape shop where you can only offer 2 silly flavors?

I have an ejuice delivery which I ordered online coming in a few days containing a whole bunch of desert type e juices, which is what I prefer. I'll be good until the end of the year with that shipment.

Illegal or not, I will continue to vape whatever I please. Politicians and their laws will have no effect on my vaping habits.

VAPOR TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION FILES LAWSUIT AGAINST
NEW YORK DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND PUBLIC HEALTH AND HEALTH PLANNING COUNCIL TO STOP ILL-CONSIDERED FLAVOR BAN

https://vaportechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/2019-09-24-Verified-Petition-New-York.pdf

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Vapor Technology files lawsuit:

https://vaportechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/2019-09-24-Verified-Petition-New-York.pdf

 

[zoiDman]

Doh !!!

N/M

 

[JustWondering1]

I just got the email below from Cherry Vapes on how they and other vape shops are responding to Cuomo's vape flavor ban. Cherry Vapes is based in upstate New York. They are also offering a 30% off deal on their Nicter e juice if anyone is interested.


Despite reports that illegal THC street drugs are the cause of Sudden Lung Illness, Cuomo bans e-liquid flavors, including menthol.
Enforcement begins this Friday.

New York's Governor Cuomo issued an executive order to ban all flavored e-liquid except flavorless and tobacco last month, which was ratified by NY's Public Health and Health Planning Council on 9/17. They actually termed it a "health emergency," purposefully conflating tainted bootleg THC (the psychoactive chemical in marijuana) cartridges laced with pesticides and heavy insoluble oils, with nicotine e-liquid. As a reminder, nicotine e-liquid is FDA-regulated and water-soluble, and manufacturers have over 10 years of scientific data to ensure good manufacturing practices.
To this date, there has never been a case of lung illness confirmed to be linked to vaping nicotine e-liquid. Finally a few days ago the CDC announced that their findings indicate the cause of these illnesses are widely identified as illegal street THC carts and updated their public warning to particularly avoid vaping products containing THC. Together with the FDA, they have also stated that ex-smokers should not go back to smoking. Unfortunately the CDC's delay (we believe purposeful) has done its damage to the e-cigarette industry and Governors around the country are jumping on the flavor ban band wagon, claiming it's for the "kids."
Also last Thursday, Cuomo added menthol flavoring to the ban which also needs to be confirmed by the Public Health and Health Planning Council. The Council is having a public hearing, tentatively scheduled for this Thursday, 10/3 at 11:30am. Please plan on speaking at one of the locations in NYC, Albany or Buffalo. Please follow the NYSVA Facebook page for more information.
This will leave only flavorless and tobacco flavors legal to sell in New York on Friday. As Executive Director of the New York State Vapor Association (nysva.org) Cheryl is actively involved in the process of taking legal action against the state. The 700 vape shops plus the manufacturers and distributors in NY will surely close when the products that represent 90-95% of their sales revenue is removed from the market. But a lawsuit will be very expensive! If you'd like to contribute, please go to the NYSVA home page and click on the "Legal Fund Donation" button.
At Cherry Vape, we are working through how we will be able to continue to serve our customers in the coming days, (we have been a NY based company since we started). Our short term plan is to move the company officially to Connecticut, however that's not a sure thing either. Gov. Cuomo and Gov. Lamont have already met to discuss coordinating their attack on e-cigarettes and cannabis. (Read article). They will have a "summit" for further discussion on 10/17.
Connecticut vapers, please contact Gov. Lamont and your state legislators and let them know it's NOT okay to ban flavors by following this call to action by CASAA.org.
For our customers: If you vape a flavor other than tobacco or menthol, we suggest you order now to hold you over for the coming few weeks. Through Thursday night 10/3 at 11:59 pm, we are offering you 30% off all menthol and flavored Nicter, plus our flavorless (Strate) and Tobacco. This applies without a coupon code to anyone who ordered from this past Saturday, 9/29 through 10/3. The discount will be deducted upon processing and you will receive an email confirmation that the discount was applied.
If you have any questions, please call or text Cheryl at 203-253-2372.
In the meantime, hang in there and do something to fight for your right to improve your health!
Cheryl & Chris
Cherry Vape LLC

 

[sofarsogood]

There was a message on twitter from somebody close the situation in NY that may be a judge will be granting a delay after all. Chowdbury?

 

[DarrenMG]

They actually termed it a "health emergency

Oh, it is an emergency! That a politician has done nothing of significance about a dozen or so other reasons people are dying in what are vast numbers by comparison, well that might mean no re-election!

This one is an especially good resume filler under the accomplishments section.

Accomplishments

• I enacted policies that might save one teen from dying from e-cigarettes.
• Ahm... and other stuff.

What could be a higher priority?

 

[Haktuspit]

Scanned the thread and didn't see any mention of this yet.

This just in from a CASAA Facebook page:

NEW YORK STATE TEMPORARILY BARRED FROM ENFORCING FLAVOR BAN! This afternoon, the New York State Appellate Division granted a temporary restraining order in the lawsuit brought by the Vapor Technology Association, Benevolent ELiquids Inc., and Perfection Vapes regarding the proposed flavor ban in New York State, which was set to be enforced tomorrow, October 4, 2019.

The Order entered by four appellate judges ruled that the State is “temporarily enjoined and prevented from enforcing” the flavor ban until a ruling on the motion for a preliminary injunction is determined. That motion is scheduled to be heard on October 18, 2019.

Tony Abboud, Executive Director of the Vapor Technology Association said, “We are very pleased with the New York State Appellate Division’s decision, which acknowledges the strength of our claims about the State’s executive overreach, and which preserves the ability of hundreds of small businesses to remain open and continue to serve their adult customers. The New York State Legislature, instead of enacting a flavor ban, already has decided to address concerns about youth vaping by raising the minimum age for vapor products from 18 to 21 and imposing a major tax increase. We continue to stand ready to work with the State of New York and all interested stakeholders on the many real solutions that should be implemented to achieve the twin goals of restricting youth vaping, which already is illegal, and preserving flavored alternatives for adults desperately trying to quit smoking.”

 

[zoiDman]

Well That is Some Good News!

 

[JustWondering1]

Scanned the thread and didn't see any mention of this yet.

This just in from a CASAA Facebook page:

NEW YORK STATE TEMPORARILY BARRED FROM ENFORCING FLAVOR BAN! This afternoon, the New York State Appellate Division granted a temporary restraining order in the lawsuit brought by the Vapor Technology Association, Benevolent ELiquids Inc., and Perfection Vapes regarding the proposed flavor ban in New York State, which was set to be enforced tomorrow, October 4, 2019.

The Order entered by four appellate judges ruled that the State is “temporarily enjoined and prevented from enforcing” the flavor ban until a ruling on the motion for a preliminary injunction is determined. That motion is scheduled to be heard on October 18, 2019.

Tony Abboud, Executive Director of the Vapor Technology Association said, “We are very pleased with the New York State Appellate Division’s decision, which acknowledges the strength of our claims about the State’s executive overreach, and which preserves the ability of hundreds of small businesses to remain open and continue to serve their adult customers. The New York State Legislature, instead of enacting a flavor ban, already has decided to address concerns about youth vaping by raising the minimum age for vapor products from 18 to 21 and imposing a major tax increase. We continue to stand ready to work with the State of New York and all interested stakeholders on the many real solutions that should be implemented to achieve the twin goals of restricting youth vaping, which already is illegal, and preserving flavored alternatives for adults desperately trying to quit smoking.”

Thank goodness!! May this be the first of many reversals!

 

[Katya]

NEW YORK STATE TEMPORARILY BARRED FROM ENFORCING FLAVOR BAN!

Baby steps....

 

[dennism]

Baby steps....

The beginning of every journey is the first step.