Newbie and cloud chasing

[Ahmad Badawi]

Hello people!

Ive been vaping for a couple of months now and im proud to say that i havent smoked since. I used to smoke almost a pack of reds a day and im so happy i can climb the stairs again!

Now bare in mind that i tried to do as much research as i could before buying my equipment, but there are still things that confuse the poop out of me.

My mod is a Vaporesso nebula and a veco plus tank. I got a sony vtc4 at first, and got a couple 26650 efest purple ones after. I admit that the capacity on these babies is pretty damn impressive, lasting me up to 2 days and im not even draining it! I am however ready to make the plunge to RDAs because this is so damn fun.

I decided on getting an authentic goon, because clouds matter to me to the extent that i can vape 3mg nic juice and still be content. I read that even the flavor is top notch with the goon, so I have some Ni200 and SS316 wire on the way, but when it comes to batteries and mods im kind of lost.
I have a solid understanding of Ohm's Law and do not wish to abuse it while vaping sub-ohm-ly (is that a word?). According to Mooch, with my efest purple with a 23 Amps continuous discharge, i can safely use a setup of 0.3 Ohms (4.2v/21a=0.2).

1- It is to my understanding that there are no true batteries with a continuous discharge over 30 amps, with that in mind, do people who fog up a room with a couple hits use similar batteries to the ones im using? an efest or a samsung 25r for instance?

2- Do huge clouds require mods that go over 200 watts? i remember seeing videos of people making big ... clouds on 17 and 20 and 30 watts. Is that true? If it is, why does my veco tank using a 0.3 ohms coil make petite clouds at 40 watts using high vg juice(in comparision to those cloud chasing videos)?

3- Do i have to use temp control while using Ni wire or can i use power control? Perhaps this is trivial but when it comes to clouds, how are they different?

4- Assuming I choose bypass mode, does it turn my mod into a mechanical mode wannabe?

Basically, i need someone to explain to me if cloud chasing is doable with my mod and batteries (efest purple, vtc4, 25r) and a goon rda, and how to go about it safely.

 

[Eskie]

Hi and welcome! Congrats on getting off the cigs, and it's great you can climb stairs again.

First, are you planning a new mod as well or just use the one you have?

Then
1. There are no batteries in an 18650/26650 form that go about 30A. Remember that a 30A battery will have a lower capacity with ~1,500 mAh vs. the 2,500-3,000 mAh available at a lower CDR. Your current batteries will be fine.

2. No you don't need 200w by any means. It all depends on your build, your juice, and your lung capacity. You can fog a room up really well at 40-50W.

3. Yes, Ni is only for TC, as is Ti. That's because of the risks of overheating that metal in plain wattage mode and potentially releasing really nasty crap from the metal. Besides, SS is easy to build with, easy to find, and can be used safely in temp or wattage mode. Honestly I haven't used a single Kanthal spool of wire since changing over.

4. Yes, bypass should give you essentially the same experience as a mech. Maybe (depending on the mod, I don't know if they still leave any sort of protection in the circuit or if it's a true no electronic from the battery to tank, other than a mosfet).

Important to remember, a mech is governed by Ohms' law. Battery drain on a regulated mod is calculated differently. It's A=W/V +10% (for board efficiency) . The voltage to calculate with can be either the nominal 3.7V these batteries have, not the 4.2 when fully charged, or the mod cutoff voltage, which could be anywhere from 3.4 to 3.1V.

Rough guide I like to use is a 20A battery is good for ~60W (18A=60W/3.7 +1.6). In a series mod, the voltage goes up while the amperage remains the same, so 2 18650 20A batteries are good to ~120W and so on. If you do want to play around at 200W, then a 3 battery mod with 25 or 30A batteries makes the most sense.

 

[Ahmad Badawi]

Hi and welcome! Congrats on getting off the cigs, and it's great you can climb stairs again.
...

Thank you! Im very grateful for your help and for clearing the confusion i was dealing with.
No at the moment I hadnt planned on changing mods, but I might. Now that I know I can achieve what I want with my current gear, Id have to try it out and decide whether a new mode is more suited for my needs. Out of curiosity, what would you recommend?

 

[Eskie]

Well, there's nothing wrong with your Nebula. However, I always recommend having an additional mod (or 2 or more) around as when your mod fails (they all will sooner or later, it's the sooner at issue), you don't want to be tempted to pick up a cigarette while waiting on a replacement. I would also suggest a 2 battery (or more) mod, not only for the higher wattage (which you'll never use) but the extended battery life that comes with it. Popular stuff these days would include the Smoant Battlestar and Charon, and lots of good feedback on the Tesla Steampunk if you like the look. Of course there are offerings from Smok like the Alien and T Priv, or the new Wismec Gen3. Of course depending on your budget there are lots more especially if you plan on using temp control a lot.

 

[Ahmad Badawi]

Great stuff! Thanks a bunch man wish me luck.

 

[Eskie]

Good luck!

Edit: One more thing. You have a working kit that's keeping you from smoking, so in the classic do what I say not as I do suggestion, don't just impulsively buy something (unless it's a really great sale and you can't resist clicking add to cart). Check out experiences of others with it. There's a big regulated mod section here, so check out what folks are saying before buying the model you're thinking of. Generally, most YT reviewers are not folks I would rely on outside of say DJLsb or Todd's reviews. I do like Zophie on occasion, but certainly DJL is one of the most complete reviewers with actual disassembly and bench testing a new regulated mod. Not sure anyone else out there comes close. Even then, don't take just one person's opinion on it.

 

[Ahmad Badawi]

I will definitely check out the reg mod section here. I can easily say im not impulsive for one main reason which is i live in the middle east. Even though vaping isnt illegal in Lebanon, but if you order online, vape supplies tend to "disappear" at customs. The tobacco industry here does not like vaping one bit apparently. Hence I have to rely on friends and relatives in europe and the states to get my gear, and that means a buttload of reading and researching the right product before buying ^v^

 

[Eskie]

Vape supplies that vanish at the border is no fun at all. I would put another spin on it which is as it is difficult to obtain gear, you should have at least one or two more mods as you don't want to have to wait a month on a replacement with nothing else to use. Good luck!

 

[stols001]

Welcome Ahmad, given your situation, it would be a good plan to do lots of research then. I am with Eskie on recommending a two battery mod for battery life and if you ever want to test out its upper limit capacities, most 2 battery mods have temp control now, which you will be using. This will help keep your e-juice from rising to dangerous temps while vaping. Depending on where you want to go with it, you have tons of options. I like the Steampunk Tesla, but it doesn't have a usb port and is rated for 120 watts, which I would NEVER use. I vape more like 10-15 watts, and I love the smoothness of the vape (it's really excellent) and the solid build quality. I'm sure others will have suggestions and you will find several mod reviews on ECF and elsewhere that can likely help you narrow it down.

Best of luck happy vaping!

Anna

 

[Ahmad Badawi]

Thank you Anna! It is beginning to seem inevitable, a second mod that is. Steampunk tesla does look nice i admit, but i have my eye on the smoant battlestar tbh. hot!

 

[ColdHeartClan]

Hello people!

Ive been vaping for a couple of months now and im proud to say that i havent smoked since. I used to smoke almost a pack of reds a day and im so happy i can climb the stairs again!

Now bare in mind that i tried to do as much research as i could before buying my equipment, but there are still things that confuse the poop out of me.

My mod is a Vaporesso nebula and a veco plus tank. I got a sony vtc4 at first, and got a couple 26650 efest purple ones after. I admit that the capacity on these babies is pretty damn impressive, lasting me up to 2 days and im not even draining it! I am however ready to make the plunge to RDAs because this is so damn fun.

I decided on getting an authentic goon, because clouds matter to me to the extent that i can vape 3mg nic juice and still be content. I read that even the flavor is top notch with the goon, so I have some Ni200 and SS316 wire on the way, but when it comes to batteries and mods im kind of lost.
I have a solid understanding of Ohm's Law and do not wish to abuse it while vaping sub-ohm-ly (is that a word?). According to Mooch, with my efest purple with a 23 Amps continuous discharge, i can safely use a setup of 0.3 Ohms (4.2v/21a=0.2).

1- It is to my understanding that there are no true batteries with a continuous discharge over 30 amps, with that in mind, do people who fog up a room with a couple hits use similar batteries to the ones im using? an efest or a samsung 25r for instance?

2- Do huge clouds require mods that go over 200 watts? i remember seeing videos of people making big ... clouds on 17 and 20 and 30 watts. Is that true? If it is, why does my veco tank using a 0.3 ohms coil make petite clouds at 40 watts using high vg juice(in comparision to those cloud chasing videos)?

3- Do i have to use temp control while using Ni wire or can i use power control? Perhaps this is trivial but when it comes to clouds, how are they different?

4- Assuming I choose bypass mode, does it turn my mod into a mechanical mode wannabe?

Basically, i need someone to explain to me if cloud chasing is doable with my mod and batteries (efest purple, vtc4, 25r) and a goon rda, and how to go about it safely.

The truth about cloud chasing is it's more about your lungs than anything else. Yes a mod that dumps clouds to start will make it easier, but I've out blown people in comps with builds up in the .4 ohm range, some wicked claptons. Practice makes perfect like always, practice inhaling as deep and long as you can, then forcing your exhale out at a moderate speed and force. Don't buy into anyone that tells you they blow big clouds because the mod they use.

Again mod and other gear will make a lot of difference but in the end it all comes down to how much vapor you can draw.

 

[ColdHeartClan]

Well, there's nothing wrong with your Nebula. However, I always recommend having an additional mod (or 2 or more) around as when your mod fails (they all will sooner or later, it's the sooner at issue), you don't want to be tempted to pick up a cigarette while waiting on a replacement. I would also suggest a 2 battery (or more) mod, not only for the higher wattage (which you'll never use) but the extended battery life that comes with it. Popular stuff these days would include the Smoant Battlestar and Charon, and lots of good feedback on the Tesla Steampunk if you like the look. Of course there are offerings from Smok like the Alien and T Priv, or the new Wismec Gen3. Of course depending on your budget there are lots more especially if you plan on using temp control a lot.

Man, I almost always get behind everything you say eskie, except when you tell people they won't use higher wattage. You're right MOST users will never keep a mod at 200w, but we are out here man. We do exist, I'm not a unicorn!

 

[Ahmad Badawi]

The truth about cloud chasing is it's more about your lungs than anything else. Yes a mod that dumps clouds to start will make it easier, but I've out blown people in comps with builds up in the .4 ohm range, some wicked claptons. Practice makes perfect like always, practice inhaling as deep and long as you can, then forcing your exhale out at a moderate speed and force. Don't buy into anyone that tells you they blow big clouds because the mod they use.

Again mod and other gear will make a lot of difference but in the end it all comes down to how much vapor you can draw.

I think i have good lungs for that, or at least i hope so. it strikes me as something fascinating. I guess i'll find out soon enough dudes

 

[ColdHeartClan]

I think i have good lungs for that, or at least i hope so. it strikes me as something fascinating. I guess i'll find out soon enough dudes

I have been dripping for 4.5 years, trained my way up from .8 ohm 28awg to now .13 ohm 20awg coils. Everything from mechs to 50w devices, to raptor 40a boxes, 6 series ..... I've run the whole gamut and I will never go back to stock coil tanks. High power mods aren't wrong by any means, I adv at 200w, I send 170w through my Ohmega alpha BFT. Vape the power you like friend.

 

[Letitia]

Welcome to the forum Ahmad. Looks like you are in good hands. Enjoy the clouds.

 

[Eskie]

Man, I almost always get behind everything you say eskie, except when you tell people they won't use higher wattage. You're right MOST users will never keep a mod at 200w, but we are out here man. We do exist, I'm not a unicorn!

Nah, you're not a Unicorn. I have no doubt others are out there using very high wattage as well. My only suggestion is if you're really going to have regular runs at wattage like that, get a 3 or 4 battery mod. Even with 20A batteries you'll be safe and not swapping batteries out every half hour. I think my issue with those high wattage settings on these 2 battery mods is that it is overly optimistic, even with 30A batteries, to run that way for an extended period. But if you have builds that really need high power, get them a safe high power solution.

 

[Letitia]

Good morning Eskie. I agree. Enjoy the clouds and teach potential cloud makers how to do it right. Flavor chaser here, but do enjoy watching other's clouds.

 

[stols001]

Yes, it seems the higher the wattage, the more powerful device and battery power you need. I think Eskie's suggestion is a good one, just to be on the safe side. You high wattage folks amaze me, in the sense that I don't think I could EVER vape at that wattage (i'm using 8 at the moment), but everything works differently for everyone.... I think that actually is one of the nicest things about vaping, being able to customize things more and more to one's liking.

Of course, with that said, there is more and more to covet/drool over.... Fortunately, I'd rather watch clouds than chase them LOL.

Anna

 

[Ahmad Badawi]

Can someone explain the physics behind the safety of using a 3 or 4 battery mod as opposed to pushing the limits on one 30 amps for instance?

 

[madicalhorse]

Buy a parallel mech mod (if you are into clouds) they are cheap.
Or just single battery cheapo clone mech.
Get Cloud Chasers rda, they had some beautiful airhole on the cap. And it is hard hitting rda. I saw one with 0.09 ohm build, using vtc 4, lol. And it's a beauty! Beauty cloud!