newbie here - looking for suggestions?

[Vapoor eyes er]

I'm using Low Resistance(LR) 1.8ohm BUT I like a warmer vape. You'd be better to go with the standard resistance clearos. Generally they last about +-4 weeks depending on the juice- dark= shorter time period, light= longer period. The cartos most of us use on the Kgo are 1.7 low resistance so it shouldn't be an issue. Yes they're only $4.95 each. Really takes the hassle out of vaping IMO.

Edit: yes they look very cool on the Kgo.

They look cool but are they $4.95 each? If so, how long do they last, same as a cartomizer? Also do I need to worry about this line: "We recommend the standard resistance cartomizers for our Riva SE / KGO batteries due to the higher voltage output."

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Also I had forgotten prolly a good idea to get an extra charger.
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?pag..._color_plus.tpl&product_id=250&category_id=31

 

[sailorman]

They look cool but are they $4.95 each? If so, how long do they last, same as a cartomizer? Also do I need to worry about this line: "We recommend the standard resistance cartomizers for our Riva SE / KGO batteries due to the higher voltage output."

Don't worry about that line. Sweet-vapes is the only vendor who says that. They must have had too many fruity flavored vapers complain. The low resistance ones will do fine unless you are a fruit and flower vaper. In that case, you might prefer the std. resistance.

They last longer than cartomizers.

Sweet-vapes is calling 2.1-2.4ohms "low resistance". That, IMO, is not low resistance. Low resistance is what Vapoor is using, 1.8ohms. The whole scale is thrown off. Sweet-Vapes standare resistance is 2.4-2.6 or something like that. That's too high for all but the most delicate flavors. Go with the 2.1-2.4 range.

 

[Debadoo]

Ok, so I was wrong about stuff. That's why I tell folks I'm new. Thanks sailorman for chiming in on the batts. I had several people tell me not to let it go more than a day, and info on the web said keep em charged up good. Didn't know they had some sort of cut off that wouldn't let them get too low.
The clearos that I got are GotVapes NEW VISION eGo Stardust ™ 1.6ml TC 2.1-2.4 LONG WICK [gv-NEWvisionstardust-2.2-LONG] - $5.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
and
GotVapes PHOENiX™ Bottom Coil XL 1.5ml Cartomizer 2.4-2.6ohms [gv-PHOENIX-XL-2.4-510] - $11.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

I think the first link to the stardust/vision ego is the same thing that was linked to at sweet vapes. The second one (phoenix) can be purchased other places too. I linked to gotvapes because that's where I got mine. Being new, I didn't know what they were called other places, and wanted to make sure I got the same thing I saw in the review. lol These are more fiddly, you have to fill them with a syringe, but that's not a big deal for me. The first couple days I wasn't getting any flavor, but I left them alone and used only the stardust for a couple days and when I tried the phoenix's again, the flavor was great. So maybe the juice had to steep a couple days, or sitting in the clearo a couple days did something, I don't know.

Kewl, didn't even realize you were in Tx before. Not sure what our highs have been but it's 90 now at 9:46 pm. There are NO shops around me at all that I've been able to find. The closest I know of is nearly an hour away in Round Rock unless there are some in Waco. What part of Tx are you in?

 

[Swer3397]

I'm using Low Resistance(LR) 1.8ohm BUT I like a warmer vape. You'd be better to go with the standard resistance clearos. Generally they last about +-4 weeks depending on the juice- dark= shorter time period, light= longer period. The cartos most of us use on the Kgo are 1.7 low resistance so it shouldn't be an issue. Yes they're only $4.95 each. Really takes the hassle out of vaping IMO.

Edit: yes they look very cool on the Kgo.

Yeah I want them. Gonna put them in as my next order once I find my preferred nic MG. May skip buying any regular cartos at all and just buy like 2-3 of these. Regular cartos are already a LOT of guesswork.

Don't worry about that line. Sweet-vapes is the only vendor who says that. They must have had too many fruity flavored vapers complain. The low resistance ones will do fine unless you are a fruit and flower vaper. In that case, you might prefer the std. resistance.

They last longer than cartomizers.

Sweet-vapes is calling 2.1-2.4ohms "low resistance". That, IMO, is not low resistance. Low resistance is what Vapoor is using, 1.8ohms. The whole scale is thrown off. Sweet-Vapes standare resistance is 2.4-2.6 or something like that. That's too high for all but the most delicate flavors. Go with the 2.1-2.4 range.

Thanks for clearing that up. So I should go for LR instead of SR? What are the consequences of having the wrong resistance anyways? I see they have promos every so often on that site with like 15% off. May wait a few days and see if they run one.

Ok, so I was wrong about stuff. That's why I tell folks I'm new. Thanks sailorman for chiming in on the batts. I had several people tell me not to let it go more than a day, and info on the web said keep em charged up good. Didn't know they had some sort of cut off that wouldn't let them get too low.
The clearos that I got are GotVapes NEW VISION eGo Stardust ™ 1.6ml TC 2.1-2.4 LONG WICK [gv-NEWvisionstardust-2.2-LONG] - $5.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
and
GotVapes PHOENiX™ Bottom Coil XL 1.5ml Cartomizer 2.4-2.6ohms [gv-PHOENIX-XL-2.4-510] - $11.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more

I think the first link to the stardust/vision ego is the same thing that was linked to at sweet vapes. The second one (phoenix) can be purchased other places too. I linked to gotvapes because that's where I got mine. Being new, I didn't know what they were called other places, and wanted to make sure I got the same thing I saw in the review. lol These are more fiddly, you have to fill them with a syringe, but that's not a big deal for me. The first couple days I wasn't getting any flavor, but I left them alone and used only the stardust for a couple days and when I tried the phoenix's again, the flavor was great. So maybe the juice had to steep a couple days, or sitting in the clearo a couple days did something, I don't know.

Kewl, didn't even realize you were in Tx before. Not sure what our highs have been but it's 90 now at 9:46 pm. There are NO shops around me at all that I've been able to find. The closest I know of is nearly an hour away in Round Rock unless there are some in Waco. What part of Tx are you in?

Well at least you have something an hour away, lol. I am close to Corpus Christi but cannot find anything even remotely ecig related. Maybe there is something somewhere but I havent seen it.

Thanks for the info on what you are using. I really like the idea of clear cartomizing solutions.

 

[Swer3397]

Btw, how are the juices on Sweetvapes, are they much different from Darkcityvapor does anyone know? I ask because if I order I may aswell get some to make it worth my while.

 

[sailorman]

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Thanks for clearing that up. So I should go for LR instead of SR? What are the consequences of having the wrong resistance anyways? I see they have promos every so often on that site with like 15% off. May wait a few days and see if they run one.

I would go for what sweet-vapes calls LR, which is not particularly low. I think they're like 2.1-2.4ohms, which is on the high side of LR.

LR gives a warmer vape. The lower it is, the warmer the vape. If it gets too hot, juice can taste burnt and delicate flavors can have their flavors washed out. If you like darker, more heavily flavored juice like tobacco, coffee, etc., then you'll probably like the lower resistances with these flavors.

SR give a cooler vape and, in some cases, less vapor. It's generally better for lighter and more delicate flavors like fruits and flowers. Some people have complained about poor vapor production with Stardusts in the 2.4-2.6ohm range, which BTW, is on the low end of SR. SR, LR and HR have kind of loose definitions. Generally, with atomizers, <=2ohms is considered LR, 2.5-3ohms is SR and >3ohms is HR. Stardusts tend to feel a little warmer than other cartos because of the coil being close to your mouth.

 

[Swer3397]

I would go for what sweet-vapes calls LR, which is not particularly low. I think they're like 2.1-2.4ohms, which is on the high side of LR.

LR gives a warmer vape. The lower it is, the warmer the vape. If it gets too hot, juice can taste burnt and delicate flavors can have their flavors washed out. If you like darker, more heavily flavored juice like tobacco, coffee, etc., then you'll probably like the lower resistances with these flavors.

SR give a cooler vape and, in some cases, less vapor. It's generally better for lighter and more delicate flavors like fruits and flowers. Some people have complained about poor vapor production with Stardusts in the 2.4-2.6ohm range, which BTW, is on the low end of SR. SR, LR and HR have kind of loose definitions. Generally, with atomizers, <=2ohms is considered LR, 2.5-3ohms is SR and >3ohms is HR. Stardusts tend to feel a little warmer than other cartos because of the coil being close to your mouth.

Thanks again Sailor for clearing that up. You know, I am getting this experience with a current flavor I am using; Chocolate Mint. I actually like it, but it is really dark liquid like dark chocolate - the darkest sample that I have. I noticed today after refilling my carto, there is a burnt taste to it. I have looked in there and things seem ok. I even filled it a little more and still nothing. Yesterday it was rich, today it is kinda washed out with a slightly burnt aftertaste as if someone took the chocolate mint cookies and started burning them in the oven to spite me. I assumed the carto was burnt out or I did something wrong. These are just stock cartos I got with the KGO but maybe this is whats happening?

 

[Doverkin]

I am willing to talk further with you in private emails but to keep it short you want the best you can expect 200-400 full suited; expensive yet lifetime equipments and average 1-2 USD/day. As for nicotine I thought just like you at first, that nicotine controls the hits. The fact is true but not entirely. To start you will want to be aware 60mg nicotine concentrate will kill adults of any size and 30mg is the absolute max intake. Now down to hits, let's just pretend you choose and own a quality kit. Most come with some device that directly/indirectly restricts air flow(known as the choke control). Thus given you the smooth draws or stronger hits *almost. Note I said *(almost) going for protection here you want VV (variable voltage/wattage depending on device design). Im not electrician but basically you should understand voltage must be meet with equal if not greater amount of resistance measured number of Ohms. This is where atomizer or cartomizer (the center tube device that hold your liquid connect directly to your battery/device). If you so choose you can buy them disposables in which you can purchase in tank mode (continuous fills) or drop mode (fill as you go) either way watch for Ohm. The higher the Ohm rating the higher you voltage/wattage you can set. High voltage/wattage means more smoke and so concludes the full hit factor. There is more atomizer/cartomizer options, models of vaping machine I highly recommended, e juice, health factors, and more. I just don't have time to enlist all but as a heavy smoker myself Im willing to help a fellow vaper without holding back information I know. I even have old products that did not work out good enough for my standard but may be okay to starters. Im willing to share detail in private email.
Thanks and I hope this will help you out a bit.
Happy vaping

 

[Swer3397]

Thanks for that info. Dover .

Anyone order juice from sweetvapes? If so, how are they? May aswell bundle up my order when I make it.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

As you know I've never ordered juices from the U.S. but here's a whack of reviews:
sweetvapes - Google Search

Thanks for that info. Dover .

Anyone order juice from sweetvapes? If so, how are they? May aswell bundle up my order when I make it.

 

[Swer3397]

Hi guys, I am still experimenting with flavors and mixes. Got my lower nicotine juices today - feels like it took forever and I had kinda become accustomed to the 24mg although it still makes my heart race frequently. But I got some 18, 14 and 12mg samplers all ready to be used so i'm good. Also bought those clearomizers which I should receive next week I imagine along with some 0mg unflavored to reduce nic on my existing juices so they don't go to waste.

Anyways, I am getting some sinus irritation with my default 70PG/20Vg mix and am gonna try process of elimination, ordering different mixes. I have been reading in the medical forums also, and it seems that the most common offender is PG as opposed to VG. I am deducing this soley from seeing more posts about PG irritation so could be completely wrong. I also know Sailorman had the same issue which he spoke about here. Would yall agree just from reading and hearing that PG would be the first thing to try reduce, or is it truly "different strokes for different folks"? I am just looking for the most likely suspect to start reducing.

 

[Flyer]

It's definitely a "different strokes" thing. I find too much PG gives me a scratchy throat and seemed too dry. I have switched almost all of my juices to a 50/50 mix and find this much better. I haven't experimented with a 100% vg juice yet. Plan to that in the near future.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Anyways, I am getting some sinus irritation with my default 70PG/20Vg mix and am gonna try process of elimination, ordering different mixes. I have been reading in the medical forums also, and it seems that the most common offender is PG as opposed to VG.

Hi Swer. As you know I aslo have a sinus condition and was told by my Surgeon that PG coats the nose, throat and mouth area. He suggested, after I explained vaping to him, that I try not to inhale or exhale through my nose as the PG may irritate the nose. He also told me to continue with the nasal rinse that I use saying this would help remove the PG from the nasal area. So far his advice has been excellent and he supports vaping 100%. He also "demands" that I vape openly in his office and together we have converted 6 clients. Here's the kit I use:
NeilMed Pharmaceuticals, Makers of Sinus Rinse, NasaFlo Netipot, Nasal Irrigation
Good Luck.

 

[Swer3397]

Hi Swer. As you know I aslo have a sinus condition and was told by my Surgeon that PG coats the nose, throat and mouth area. He suggested, after I explained vaping to him, that I try not to inhale or exhale through my nose as the PG may irritate the nose. He also told me to continue with the nasal rinse that I use saying this would help remove the PG from the nasal area. So far his advice has been excellent and he supports vaping 100%. He also "demands" that I vape openly in his office and together we have converted 6 clients. Here's the kit I use:
NeilMed Pharmaceuticals, Makers of Sinus Rinse, NasaFlo Netipot, Nasal Irrigation
Good Luck.

Yeah, I have a netipot, they're good. How much PG do u add in your mixes (sorry if you mentioned it already I know you DIY). Now I know why you were warning so much about the dehydration. After an hour I can be absolutely parched for water if I go without so I am guessing these are connected - sinuses are getting too dry. Is it the PG that dries more than the VG?

I will pay attention to how I vape as per your doctors advice. Interesting. Sounds like a cool doc.

 

[sailorman]

I think the PG dries more than the VG. PG definitely has it's uses, so I try to use as much as I can easily handle. In my case, it's 30%. I used 100% VG for the longest time, but there were too many drawbacks not to try to include some PG. At 30%, I seem to avoid all the problems I had with the higher PG content juices and I'm not getting any nasal build up, irritation, or excessive drying.

YMMV, but the effects of PG seem somewhat proportional to its content, so don't give up on it entirely right away. I was lucky in that I DIY and could easily adjust the ratio, but you some trial and error will reveal your optimum ratio and prevent you from being stuck with only 100% VG, which has its own downsides.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Yeah, I have a netipot, they're good.

Gross but these systems do work wonders.

Now I know why you were warning so much about the dehydration.

I have begun to really enjoy the taste of water once again. You could always try a non sugar/ non sodium fruit drink. I also gargle and rinse once per day with fresh squeezed lemon and water to wash the PG away. Also some vets recommend sucking on a candy once in a while to stimulate the saliva glands. My ratio is 60/ 40 PG/ VG and I drink 1 1/2 liters water per day.

Is it the PG that dries more than the VG?

Yes PG is the main culprit. PG is also used in Fog Machines. Some that have issues with PG sometimes go to 100% VG but because it's so thick they add either PGA or distilled water to thin it out. Some also say that the PG offers some sort of TH but I and many others believe it's merely throat irritation.

Sounds like a cool doc.

He's SUPER COOL. About 6'5" and built like a pro football player yet I call him my "Gentle Giant"...seems other clients also call him that. A few months ago I made a Presentation to 43 healthcare professionals/ surgeons, GPs, dentists, naturopaths and 2 politicians- he brought in 5 doctors. It was a great success and he wants to do another...he's extremely passionate and supportive and actually donated some $$ to a non profit vaping program I run...didn't even have to ask.
Happy vaping and hopefully we can resolve these issues.

 

[Swer3397]

Gross but these systems do work wonders..

Yes they're really useful as an alternative to decongestants and even damaging sinus surgery. I usually do either that or cayenne pepper for sinus issues/bronchial issues.

I have begun to really enjoy the taste of water once again. You could always try a non sugar/ non sodium fruit drink. I also gargle and rinse once per day with fresh squeezed lemon and water to wash the PG away. Also some vets recommend sucking on a candy once in a while to stimulate the saliva glands. My ratio is 60/ 40 PG/ VG and I drink 1 1/2 liters water per day.

Well, I despise that taste of plain water - always thought it boring. But a few years ago I started alkalizing with lemon water and that has become my "water" of choice. I usually have a gallon of lemon-water made up every day in the fridge. I credit it with somewhat countering the effects of my smoking the analogs or at least keeping some at bay.

The thing is, I could get away with not drinking some for a while when i smoked. But now then I am vaping if I go an hour without, I am dehydrated. But as you say, this is due to the PG.

Yes PG is the main culprit. PG is also used in Fog Machines. Some that have issues with PG sometimes go to 100% VG but because it's so thick they add either PGA or distilled water to thin it out. Some also say that the PG offers some sort of TH but I and many others believe it's merely throat irritation.

See that raises another flag for me. When i used to go to clubs the smoke machines they sometimes used would irritate me beyond anything. I remember too the fog it emitted had the same texture and dried me out. I would have to go outside until it cleared. I might go down to Sailor's dose of 30PG/70VG and see if it changes anything. May also get a sampler of unflavored pute VG to knock the PG down on my existing bottles. It's just all trial & error really.

He's SUPER COOL. About 6'5" and built like a pro football player yet I call him my "Gentle Giant"...seems other clients also call him that. A few months ago I made a Presentation to 43 healthcare professionals/ surgeons, GPs, dentists, naturopaths and 2 politicians- he brought in 5 doctors. It was a great success and he wants to do another...he's extremely passionate and supportive and actually donated some $$ to a non profit vaping program I run...didn't even have to ask.
Happy vaping and hopefully we can resolve these issues.

Awesome. Passion is something alot of doctors do not have, especially after the pharma machines get ahold of 'em. Refreshing to hear they still exist. But then, you are in Canada where healthcare is actually about caring (although the ecig crackdown leaves me scratching my head).

These are all gorwing pains with vaping for me, nothing as bad as when I was smoking analogs so i'm not complaining, lol.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I might go down to Sailor's dose of 30PG/70VG and see if it changes anything.

Yes I agree rather than going to the extreme 100% VG.

Passion is something a lot of doctors do not have, especially after the pharma machines get ahold of 'em.

My surgeon calls the pharmas "blood sucking cockroaches" and gives me TONS of samples...he says the pharmas use the populace and the doctors to make a buck and figures rather than putting $$ in their pocket he enjoys giving out freebies LOL

But then, you are in Canada where healthcare is actually about caring (although the ecig crackdown leaves me scratching my head).

Our healthcare program has deteriorated quite rapidly and only looks good on paper. Many doctors are now opening private clinics. My own GP is very well known and highly respected in the sports world and operates a Sports clinic. He now has 1/3 of his original GP client list.
Cheers and Good Luck.
P.S. I actually took medicine in University 40+ yrs ago.

 

[Swer3397]

I might just go get some VG from the store to test, rather than waiting for a new order. I saw the USP HUMCO brand in walmart the other day. Just add some drops, see if irritation is the same. Do you think that's a good idea?