newbie here - looking for suggestions?

[Vapoor eyes er]

I might just go get some VG from the store to test, rather than waiting for a new order. I saw the USP HUMCO brand in walmart the other day. Just add some drops, see if irritation is the same. Do you think that's a good idea?

Give me few minutes to figure out the amount. Yes it's a great idea although flavor and nic/ mg will be diluted. You're vaping 70/ 30 PG/ Vg.

Edit:
First recipe= 50/ 50 PG/ VG= 3/4 ml total juice
take 10 drops of your 70/ 30 juice and add 4 drops of VG. This will give you a 50/ 50 PG/ VG ratio.

Second recipe= 33/ 66 PG/ VG= 1 ml
take 10 drops of your juice and add 11 drops VG. This give you a ratio of 33/ 66 PG/ VG

 

[Swer3397]

Yah I know the flavor will suffer but it should let me determine if that's what is causing problems. Is that the right brand I intend to buy? It's one I saw here on forums just checking with you.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Yah I know the flavor will suffer but it should let me determine if that's what is causing problems. Is that the right brand I intend to buy? It's one I saw here on forums just checking with you.

I agree wholeheartedly that it's critical to find the "sweet spot" for you.

Edit: yes that's the right VG. Found usually in the pharma in the first aid/ band aid section.
Good Luck.

 

[Swer3397]

Give me few minutes to figure out the amount. Yes it's a great idea although flavor and nic/ mg will be diluted. You're vaping 70/ 30 PG/ Vg.

Edit:
First recipe= 50/ 50 PG/ VG= 3/4 ml total juice
take 10 drops of your 70/ 30 juice and add 4 drops of VG. This will give you a 50/ 50 PG/ VG ratio.

Second recipe= 33/ 66 PG/ VG= 1 ml
take 10 drops of your juice and add 11 drops VG. This give you a ratio of 33/ 66 PG/ VG

Thanks so much for these measurements gonna go buy some now. Will let you know.

 

[sailorman]

Yes I agree rather than going to the extreme 100% VG.

My surgeon calls the pharmas "blood sucking cockroaches" and gives me TONS of samples...he says the pharmas use the populace and the doctors to make a buck and figures rather than putting $$ in their pocket he enjoys giving out freebies LOL

Our healthcare program has deteriorated quite rapidly and only looks good on paper. Many doctors are now opening private clinics. My own GP is very well known and highly respected in the sports world and operates a Sports clinic. He now has 1/3 of his original GP client list.
Cheers and Good Luck.
P.S. I actually took medicine in University 40+ yrs ago.

Not to get all political here but, make no mistake, your healthcare system may be deteriorating rapidly, but that's because it's being actively and deliberately sabotaged. We have the same breed of saboteurs in the U.S., where all public services are being deliberately underfunded, and their employees demonized, in an attempt to promote their privatization. Everything from schools, to the post office to park systems and municipal utilities are under the same assault by people who preach that government can't do anything right and are hellbent on making sure they're proven right. If they can break it, saddle it with impossible burdens, and generally make it unable to do a decent job, people will agree to give up and turn it over to some politically connected corporation looking to profiteer from it.

It's no accident that prescription drugs are a fraction of the cost in Canada, while our own Medicare system is forced to pay full retail.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Not to get all political here but, make no mistake, your healthcare system may be deteriorating rapidly...

LOLLLL I agree with you 100%. Up here the politicos call it "decentralization"...put more burden on the municipalities while the Feds collect more and pay out less. I've been politically active beyond belief and belong to a few powerful orgs some which have impacted and made a change. Presently we have a majority Fed govt that's about to pass the largest Bill ever virtually taking much of our freedom and rights away. And they are directly tied into large corps...environmental act is about to be literally wiped off the face of Canada. As for cheaper drugs up here...many are being told they must take inferior replacement drugs or pay the cost. I know of someone that needs heart surgery and was told, in a nice way, you're too old so just go away and die. Enuff of my rant tho...

 

[NanW]

Swer, welcome to the site and thank you so much for starting this thread!! And a huge congrats to you!
It was this thread that pushed me off the fence and into the vaping world. Got my KGO kit from DCV on Monday and am almost off the stinkies!! Just wish the kit came with the atomizer. I was confuse about the 306 and drip tip thing so just skipped it altogether, now regret it and need to order an atomizer.
I just followed the suggestions that were posted and now can't wait to order more juices and attachments!
Wish you all the best with finding the right juice!

 

[Swer3397]

Swer, welcome to the site and thank you so much for starting this thread!! And a huge congrats to you!
It was this thread that pushed me off the fence and into the vaping world. Got my KGO kit from DCV on Monday and am almost off the stinkies!! Just wish the kit came with the atomizer. I was confuse about the 306 and drip tip thing so just skipped it altogether, now regret it and need to order an atomizer.
I just followed the suggestions that were posted and now can't wait to order more juices and attachments!
Wish you all the best with finding the right juice!

Hi NanW congrats to you too! Good to hear that my 15 pages of questions were beneficial to someone else lol. And welcome to you too. These guys held my hand through it all. I haven't really had a need to stray from the newbie forum other than to research. Vapoor, Sailor and the rest know it all!

Yes, get the atomizer. I was confused too but these guys were so right so I just got what they told me and don't regret it at all. From the first post in this thread I knew next to NOTHING and now look at me ordering juices and buying VG. Still a brave new world for me but alot more of it makes sense now as opposed to when I first started. The tutorials and videos are great but when you can't tell an atty from a carto it means very little. That's why this place is so great for info. People will break it down for you. Oh and DCV is a great little site. I have already ordered from there twice.

Wyseller was so right about the cartomizers that come with the KGO kit - they're not so good. I am referring to the ones actually inside the KGO box. BUT...I recommend using them for your first fills since if you make mistakes, these are the ones to make them with. They have a goldish thread on them. The white thing on those cartos pops off but what I didn't realize at first was the inner ring also pops out (the little O ring) but you have to pull it out with something. Once those are off you can fill alot easier. I filled my first one with the secondary O-ring still in there : -/.

Good luck!

 

[Swer3397]

Hey Vapoor I would appreciate your opinion here. From what I can see Blu cigs seem to use VG only. They also list distilled water and citric acid. I am guessing they thin the VG out with water, but what creates the hit that I did indeed get when starting off with Blu? Is it the nic?

I ask because if this is the case I can then conclude two things:

The first being that I most likely am having a reaction to PG because I vaped on Blu with zero issues for about a weekish and my sinuses actually felt clearer (also explains the mad vapor coming from the Blu's).

The second being that is it possible to experience a nice throat hit without PG. I am guessing nicotine content is hitting (I have read this before of course but wasn't sure how much or how good).

They have distilled water added in there, I assume they use it to thin out the 100% VG, what do you think?

Btw I did get the VG USP and am using it right now. It defo. dilutes my flavor and nic and no real throat hit but it's still okay. I tend to agree more with you about PG TH being more of an irritation masquerading as a real TH. It's like a psuedo-TH.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Hey Vapoor I would appreciate your opinion here. From what I can see Blu cigs seem to use VG only.

They also list distilled water and citric acid.

I am guessing they thin the VG out with water, but what creates the hit that I did indeed get when starting off with Blu? Is it the nic?

I'd be happy to help. Distilled water or PGA/ Pure Grain Alcohol is used in place of the PG that's not in the juice- used to thin it out. Be careful with cinnamon and citrus based juices in the clearomizers as although the V2s are supposed to be an improved plastic those juices may crack the plastic.

The first being that I most likely am having a reaction to PG because I vaped on Blu with zero issues for about a weekish and my sinuses actually felt clearer (also explains the mad vapor coming from the Blu's).

As my Surgeon explained the PG does coat the mouth, throat and nasal areas.

The second being that is it possible to experience a nice throat hit without PG. I am guessing nicotine content is hitting (I have read this before of course but wasn't sure how much or how good).

Don't forget you have now distilled not only the PG but also the nicotine.

They have distilled water added in there, I assume they use it to thin out the 100% VG, what do you think?

Juice Components
Flavoring usually 10%
PG enhances TH, lung hit and flavor. Re: TH and lung hit I and many others believe it's merely an irritant.
PGA/ Pure Grain Alcohol and/ or distilled water- in cases where vapers have an issue with PG these ingredients are used in place of PG to thin the juice out to provide better wicking.
VG= Vapor
Nicotine= TH, lung hit and our need for nicotine. This ingredient is the most important component in regards to TH and lung hit.
PG- water like
VG- thick

Btw I did get the VG USP and am using it right now. It defo. dilutes my flavor and nic and no real throat hit but it's still okay. I tend to agree more with you about PG TH being more of an irritation masquerading as a real TH. It's like a psuedo-TH.
First recipe= 50/ 50 PG/ VG= 3/4 ml total juice
take 10 drops of your 70/ 30 juice and add 4 drops of VG. This will give you a 50/ 50 PG/ VG ratio.

Second recipe= 33/ 66 PG/ VG= 1 ml
take 10 drops of your juice and add 11 drops VG. This give you a ratio of 33/ 66 PG/ VG

Which mixture did you end up with? 50/ 50 PG/ VG or 33/ 66 PG/ VG?

Are you sure you weren't a Private Eye in a former life???
Good sleuthing

 

[Swer3397]

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As my Surgeon explained the PG does coat the mouth, throat and nasal areas.

Yes. Well, I feel better just using the high-VG low-PG mix already.

Don't forget you have now distilled not only the PG but also the nicotine.

By adding distilled water you mean? What is different about distilled nicotine?

Which mixture did you end up with? 50/ 50 PG/ VG or 33/ 66 PG/ VG?

I went with the 33/66. I am not doing it with tools or measurements per se, just using drops from the bottles in the amounts you stated. It was mainly to see if the irritation subsided and it seems to be doing so. I would go 100% VG but I am hearing both from you and others how it can be problematical. For example, would a 100 VG mix work in my new V2 clearomizers that I ordered and just mentioned here? Would my atomizer have problems with it? DCV doesn't even do 100% VG so i'd have to order elsewhere - think stweetvapes does iirc.

Ideally I would rather have 0% PG if it's irritating me but for the thickness and other issues that go along with it. I am okay with the lack of TH but since I am mixing my own VG in there I am diluting both flavor and nic. So I am experimenting with that for now. Already determined my optimum nic level which is between 16 and 18mg. Either are fine for me.

Are you sure you weren't a Private Eye in a former life???
Good sleuthing

lol could easily have been

 

[skippydoodle]

What a great thread! Thank you all for the questions and input. I just discovered this forum and I have been reading all day. The amount of info is overwhelming.

I tried a few Blu Cig disposables and thought it was "doable" but there had to be more to this vaping thing. The newbie forums and all of the intro material was essential to learning the basics, but it took this thread to help me to make my decision to stop analyzing and go for it. I just placed my first order for a kGo, a variety of juices and some spares. I am stoked

 

[Swer3397]

What a great thread! Thank you all for the questions and input. I just discovered this forum and I have been reading all day. The amount of info is overwhelming.

I tried a few Blu Cig disposables and thought it was "doable" but there had to be more to this vaping thing. The newbie forums and all of the intro material was essential to learning the basics, but it took this thread to help me to make my decision to stop analyzing and go for it. I just placed my first order for a kGo, a variety of juices and some spares. I am stoked

Good times.

 

[Koman]

Awesome thread. Great suggestions!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

By adding distilled water you mean? What is different about distilled nicotine?

I meant by adding the extra VG to your juice the nicotine level has been diluted. Sorry about using the word "distilled".

For example, would a 100 VG mix work in my new V2 clearomizers that I ordered and just mentioned here? Would my atomizer have problems with it?

There "might" be wicking problems and most definitely carto, clearos and attys would not last long and/ or have to be cleaned more frequently. To thin it out you could add PGA or distilled water which would help greatly. I've never used them and would have to research the quantities need. I believe there are some vendors that do sell it though.

So I am experimenting with that for now. Already determined my optimum nic level which is between 16 and 18mg. Either are fine for me.

Great. At least we now know the proper nic level and, it seems, the reason for your discomfort.

lol could easily have been

We'll just have to call you Swerlocke Holmes

 

[sailorman]

Yes. Well, I feel better just using the high-VG low-PG mix already.



By adding distilled water you mean? What is different about distilled nicotine?



I went with the 33/66. I am not doing it with tools or measurements per se, just using drops from the bottles in the amounts you stated. It was mainly to see if the irritation subsided and it seems to be doing so. I would go 100% VG but I am hearing both from you and others how it can be problematical. For example, would a 100 VG mix work in my new V2 clearomizers that I ordered and just mentioned here? Would my atomizer have problems with it? DCV doesn't even do 100% VG so i'd have to order elsewhere - think stweetvapes does iirc.

Ideally I would rather have 0% PG if it's irritating me but for the thickness and other issues that go along with it. I am okay with the lack of TH but since I am mixing my own VG in there I am diluting both flavor and nic. So I am experimenting with that for now. Already determined my optimum nic level which is between 16 and 18mg. Either are fine for me.



lol could easily have been

Are you using a juice calculator or just adding VG and/or water? With a juice caluclator, you can mix different strengths of nicotine, quantities of VG, water or PGA and figure out what you're doing to your nic and flavor level. It's better than trial and error.

 

[Swer3397]

Are you using a juice calculator or just adding VG and/or water? With a juice caluclator, you can mix different strengths of nicotine, quantities of VG, water or PGA and figure out what you're doing to your nic and flavor level. It's better than trial and error.

Oh i'm just adding VG at this stage to experiment with my PG irritation. I have more than enough sample bottles to mess around with. If I get more serious about DIY eventually I will do more. As it stands now the only ingredient I have is raw Glycerin and some sample bottles of ejuice at varying levels of 12-24mg nic strength. Once I wait a few days on this high VG low PG vape, I will be ready to order larger quantities of my preferred juices.

 

[Swer3397]

There "might" be wicking problems and most definitely carto, clearos and attys would not last long and/ or have to be cleaned more frequently. To thin it out you could add PGA or distilled water which would help greatly. I've never used them and would have to research the quantities need. I believe there are some vendors that do sell it though.

What about the 20PG/80VG mixes and such? Do they have similiar problems to some degree since they are quite thick, or does even a small amount of PG make it work somehow?

The water is a nice, available option but it would also dilute my flavor and nic so I would have to buy "above" to counter that. My next move will prolly be to order like 3 of the inexpensive sampler ejuice bottles, all with varying mixes of PG/VG (on the low PG side of course) and maybe one 100% VG to determine my tolerance levels.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

What about the 20PG/80VG mixes and such? Do they have similiar problems to some degree since they are quite thick, or does even a small amount of PG make it work somehow?

Have to go out so I'll answer tomorrow a.m.

The water is a nice, available option but it would also dilute my flavor and nic so I would have to buy "above" to counter that.

Let me try and find a vendor that sells specialty mixes so there's no dilution of the nic or flavor. I know they're out there and at no extra cost.

 

[Swer3397]

Have to go out so I'll answer tomorrow a.m.

Let me try and find a vendor that sells specialty mixes so there's no dilution of the nic or flavor. I know they're out there and at no extra cost.

Thanks man, enjoy!