nic is a poison please don't kill a kid
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Yepper, gotta admit that ol' HST had a bit more diplomacy than I. He called it manure...
Ummm, lets see... I vape 15-18mg and my BP is down 11 points on both sides. No issue there. This sneezing must be from an allergy to some on-line manure.
Come on - really? That's what you guys are going with? That nicotine doesn't elevate your blood pressure, but it does to everyone else on the planet?
I could find hundreds of sources saying that nicotine elevates blood pressure, and I doubt that you guys could find one. Let's try to keep it real, OK?
How Anecdotal Evidence Can Undermine Scientific Results: Scientific American
Increased heart rate and BP are the only effects that are proven to be the results of nicotine alone.
The rest of them are the result of conflating nicotine and smoking.
Again, increased blood pressure, but now said in another way. Does that make it worse? Norepinephrine, adrenaline and noradrenalin are produced by all kinds of activites, including sex. Sex Kills!!
There is no proof nicotine leads to hardening of the arteries. Just recently, one study was done that tentatively concluded that there MIGHT be a mechanism by which nicotine led to hardening of the arteries. It was anything but conclusive, small scale and not peer reviewed. The jury is still FAR out on this issue.
So, if I elaborate on what high BP does, that's supposed to sound more scary? If you repeat, rephrase and elaborate on high BP, you can fill a page of dire warnings. But all they say is nicotine causes high blood pressure. Again, a big "So What" for most people. There is no evidence that nicotine alone causes the kind of chronic high blood pressure that results from plaque or that indicates another physical problem. It's the same kind of high blood pressure you get from any number of other activities, and is generally transient.
Chronically constricted blood vessels. The kind you get with carbon monoxide and plaque build up, neither of which is a result of nicotine.
Again, another attempt to conflate nicotine and all the other compounds in smoke. This is like using the effect of the over-consumption of wine to demonstrate the evils of drinking grape juice.
Other than an increase in blood pressure for some length of time, for some people, there have been no credible studies proving any of these scary sounding conditions can, or are, caused by the ingestion of nicotine by any other means than smoking. There is no attempt here to separate the effects of nicotine from any of the other chemicals and tars present in cigarette smoke.
By the way, caffeine also causes high blood pressure, as does stress, exercise, sex and anxiety.
5400 children poisoned with cigarettes. 0 reported poisonings from e-juice.
We aren't stupid, Alan. Where do you see anyone not taking responsibility? I suggest you take your scare campaign to some board where cigarette smokers hang out and remind them not to leave their cigarettes sitting around in the open. Perhaps lobby for childproof cigarette packs. One cigarette can kill 2 or 3 children. That's 40-60 dead kids in each pack.
BTW, when you come on here touting your academic achievements, at least be smart enough to use spell check. Show a litlle "personel responsiblity" yourself.
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Okay, I just had my annual physical. Blood pressure excellent and improving. Oxygen processing also improving. No it is not a scientific study - it is a fact... My doctor assumed I had started exercising and other things and asked a lot of questions - I explained - he was happy - advised I use it more as a cessation device than an alternative, but was still happy with "Results" - not a "Study"...
I think alan is new to forums, and thinks no one on them actually reads or performs their own due diligence in fact seeking. I guess he thinks we all just leave a bunch of bottles with cute labels on them laying around toddlers or something. His posts are more insulting than informative. He didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, he just chose to tell it to me in a very condescending manner.
Let's slow down a bit on the personal attacks shall we?
And for crying out loud, let's get off the grammar and spelling police bandwagon. I'm sure if I checked every one of your posts I could dig up some mistakes...........
Are we here for discussion or nitpicking? Nitpicking would seem to be the avenue to take when you don't have a valid point to make.
And for crying out loud, let's get off the grammar and spelling police bandwagon. I'm sure if I checked every one of your posts I could dig up some mistakes...........
Are we here for discussion or nitpicking? Nitpicking would seem to be the avenue to take when you don't have a valid point to make.
I completely understand that as adults, we need to pay attention to what is harmful to a child. However, how many of you have gotten "juice in da mouth"? We all have and we know how terrible it is. I don't see a youngster drinking this...no matter how little they are. The stuff burns even in the lowest mg and it's horrible. None-the-less, if there are little hands and paws around, extra precautions should be taken...unless you have a cat like I do that can open drawers...little fart hasn't figured out how to undo the "safety child" lock I had to put on it yet but neither has my hubby...I look for the cat to figure it out first...a kid would figure it out faster.
It is keeping us out of other areas of the forum and bothering folks with something real to say 
If you're saying, as I think you are, that your blood pressure and oxygen processing are better after you switched from analogs to vaping, that's very easy to believe. If you think that your blood pressure doesn't go up after your first vape of the day, that is contrary to everything that the scientific community knows about the effects of nicotine ingested all by itself.
I will gladly say that nicotine has been shown to have some benefits. Improved memory, better concentration, and of course, creating pleasure by boosting dopamine levels. But let's not kid ourselves and say that it has no harmful effects. That just isn't supported by the facts. I'm still waiting for someone to cite a single credible source stating that nicotine, all by itself, doesn't have any harmful effects on the body whatsoever.
Sailorman:
I do believe there's something to what you said, and some (but not all) of those effects I cited are very likely worsened by the accompanying chemicals in tobacco smoking.
From the Mayo Clinic:
"While it's the nicotine in tobacco that causes nicotine dependence, the toxic effects come mainly from other substances in tobacco".
Mainly, but not exclusively.
Nicotine dependence - MayoClinic.com
However: the internet giveth, and the internet taketh away.
"Risks of nicotine"
"As a pure drug, nicotine has few adverse effects on physical health, however it does raise blood pressure and accelerates the progression of heart and arterial disease. But it's the other chemicals taken in along with nicotine which do much of the damage. When tobacco burns as a cigarette is smoked, it releases hundreds of other constituents. It is these chemicals, described below, that pose the greatest risk to health.
What's in a cigarette?
There are more than 4,000 chemicals in cigarette smoke, some of which are well known for their toxicity. Here are just a few:
•Nicotine - immediate physiological effects include increased heart rate and a rise in blood pressure
[And then all the truly nasty ones]
Bottom line for me: PV's with nic juice > smoking cigarettes; not using nicotine probably > overall than using it, if you can manage to kick the habit.
I wrote a long post about nicotine and cardiovascular risks, but I really don't want to post it in this creepy thread... Where should I put it?
By the way, it's getting a bit out of control with people making conclusions based on half digested google results in the newb forum about nicotine. May mislead people.
By the way, it's getting a bit out of control with people making conclusions based on half digested google results in the newb forum about nicotine. May mislead people.
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Well it's nice to know that ECF is a forum that welcomes new vapers and is a platforum for mature discusions about vaping.
I didn't see the rules about spell checkers. I am sorry.
Didn't see the rules about only repeating the party line either
Or the one about only attacking the poster.
I will make certain that I read all of the rules before having the audasity to post any real concerns.
vape on people. vape on
I didn't see the rules about spell checkers. I am sorry.
Didn't see the rules about only repeating the party line either
Or the one about only attacking the poster.
I will make certain that I read all of the rules before having the audasity to post any real concerns.
vape on people. vape on
I wish it were that easy. I made a rule to try everything that my daughter ate first (I honestly have no idea why I choose to do this) and until they are on "real people food" the things that infants eat are universally HORRIBLE lol
But my daughter would eat it like it was the finest feast ever prepared. So even if the stuff tastes bad, kids might still keep eating/drinking it because I think their taste buds are insane.
Though you do have a good point about child proof drawer locks... my daughter could get into them before I could most of the time (once she figured it out) because her little hands fit in the gap easier than my large ones...
stupid child safe locks
Oooo Oooo
I know
kidding,
elf, just start a thread and link to it.
I know
kidding,
elf, just start a thread and link to it.
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I indulge my grammar and spelling-Nazi proclivities only when posters come on here trying to gain instant credibility by touting their, and their offspring's, academic credentials while they treat us to condescending lectures. If you're going to pose as some kind of a PhD, I expect you to be more literate than the average hardware store clerk.
Besides, I made plenty of valid points before I mentioned anything about spelling. That was simply dessert.
What point did you raise that should've given rise to a "mature discussion"? Did you expect to spark a conversation about the pros and cons of nicotine ingestion by children? Just what, other than a condescending lecture, was the point of your original post? Do you think that this issue hasn't been raised in an intelligent thoughtful way about a million times before? Was it news to you that nicotine liquid shouldn't be left were a child can drink it? Was that such a revelation to you that you were compelled to come here and lecture us about it?
Gee, Alan. I'm so glad you posted that. I was just about to flavor my toddlers ice cream sundae with the delish cherry ejuice I have here.
What are you doing with ejuice anyway? Isn't it illegal where you are?
Do you go on gun forums and remind people not to leave their guns and ammo lying around for kids to play with?
Try that and see how much "mature discussion" ensues.
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You weren't wrong to come here.
But you didn't have to come here with your mortarboard on, clicking your chalk on the blackboard.
So, be gone, PhD Poseur. You can take your wingman with you.
Go visit the gun nut site and warn them about the dangers of live ammo thrown into a campfire.
No need to worry about torches and pitchforks.
And I hate to say it, but "fround"? That transcends a typo.
PhD my patootie.
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