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Welcome to ECF, KW0017. Both those type should taste about the same, but I've never used either. So take my word with a grain of salt (pun intended 
). Both freebase nic liquid and salt nic liquid will mix the same in a calculator.
). Both freebase nic liquid and salt nic liquid will mix the same in a calculator.
There are vastly more than two possible types, but if that is what is available to you that is what there is. N-Benzoate is the formulation developed by Juul, and n-salicylate was the formulation developed for nicotine gum. Neither imho are really adequately tested for inhalation, though salicylate has had extensive testing as a gum additive.
My understanding is there is no basic flavor change but the protonated nics act differently and use different solution levels. The adjustment for concentration difference can be made at several levels, so if you are mixing pure powder to make base you will have to do that yourself. If you are using a nic base that change may or may not have been made already when the base was created. If it has a regular nic calculator will work. If it hasn’t you will have to mix to taste. My understanding is also that when unprotonated juice is mixed it partially protonates in steeping, changing flavor, so protonated nic will produce possible but unknown flavor changes when steeping. So conditional uncontrolled maybe on flavor change dependent heavily on what flavors are used and steep time. A protonated nic will experience generally less flavor change from steeping.
another issue is the nic blood level graph of protonated nic is vastly different and much much sharper than unprotonated nic. As such the activity of nicotine is much much sharper and shorter for protonated nics. This is the thing that concerns me personally and why I avoid protonated nic myself.
Welcome to ECF, KW0017. Both those type should taste about the same, but I've never used either. So take my word with a grain of salt (pun intended
Salicylate has lower pH so I would imagine it would be even smoother than benzoate. I've never tried it though, just vaped some benzoate nic salts. I can recall searching for different nicotine base solutions online, ended up getting a freebase, however a couple of times I came across the info that some customers who reviewed salicylate nic salts reported a slight chemical aftertaste. I'm not an expert on salts but you might want to look into that.
Thanks bombastinator,Very imformative.The nic salts are already mixed and in various percentiges from my diy supplier.I was a bit confused when I see ejuice nic salts at vape shops where some go as high as 40% nic.I have ejuice on the way at 10 and 12 % to try for the first time.But thanks again I will try the salicylate.At least I know I have tried it before,for it was nic gum I first used when I quit smoking in 2008.
Thanks PeterKay,I havent tried any nic salt yet but I got some on the way with a pod system.i only vape 3 to 6 mgs so I got the lowest % I think is was 10 % nic salts.
Thanks somdcomputerguy.Welcome to ECF, KW0017. Both those type should taste about the same, but I've never used either. So take my word with a grain of salt (pun intended
I just had a look again and I must take back what I said, the info about chemical aftertaste for salicylate only applies to low or no flavour juices, in normal juices it shouldn't change the taste. Sorry for that
All I can say is I used nic salts for about a year during DIY and I didn't much notice any differences other than throat hit. Once my respiratory system got better, I was more than happy to return to regular nic. I have no idea what I got, but I do think there is at least one other "changer" and that is citrate. Seems to me that is what many/most folks try if the want to do a conversion at home.
To be fair, at 18 nic which is not that high, I'm not sure what effects would have been noticeable in any case. When I relapsed into smoking after a year and couldn't quit I went up to 30 and they were still easily vapable although I did notice more of a nic hit, but I can't see how you Wouldn't at that level, honestly.
Dose for dose I find them similar I noticed no change when I switched to freebase nic. So I keep it simple, eh?
As far as strength I notice no difference either although I will also say depending on how you convert them, maybe it's different. Absolutely every nic mixing tool will treat nic salts mg/ml exactly the same as freebase mg/ml.
Anna
To be fair, at 18 nic which is not that high, I'm not sure what effects would have been noticeable in any case. When I relapsed into smoking after a year and couldn't quit I went up to 30 and they were still easily vapable although I did notice more of a nic hit, but I can't see how you Wouldn't at that level, honestly.
Dose for dose I find them similar I noticed no change when I switched to freebase nic. So I keep it simple, eh?
As far as strength I notice no difference either although I will also say depending on how you convert them, maybe it's different. Absolutely every nic mixing tool will treat nic salts mg/ml exactly the same as freebase mg/ml.
Anna
Thanks Anna for your info.Ive been diy some my own juice for a number of years now,and although salt nic is been around for the same I never really was that interested in trying it.I got my first pod system about a month ago and all the hype about nic salts I decided to give it a try and if I decide to mix some juice with it waana make sure I mix it right.When you mention your respiratory system where you sick or recovered from smoking.
Getting over smoking. I was at 3 ppd day (this is kind of when someone goes, "I plan to sub0hm 48 mg/ml juice, I go, "Anna do not judge.") I had a laryngeal cancer scare which was more traumatizing to my docs than me, dude, my clinic kept giving me uh, stronger and stronger like antihistamines, and then I saw my REALLY competent PCP and I was like, "Dude, are you guys gonna DO something about this? I would like to talk and it's been 7 months." He was flipping through my chart and asked how my smoking was going and I was like "A lot." He went kind of WHITE in shade and grabbed the freaking referral person and told her, "ENT. Now."
Poor guy I had to comfort him. I was like, "Um it's not really.... I mean if I have it I earned it really. I did the smoking not you."
IDK what he said but I got this call from the ENT office about an hour later. They were like, "Where are you?"
"You mean my home address?"
"No where ARE you. What are your cross streets? Drive right here."
So I didn't have a ton of time to worry which was nice. The ENT (he did my kid's tonsillectomy before I'd met him) he was a one message kinda guy. He sort of looked me up and down and said: "You need to smoke, ah, significantly less." He did not offer any number or target although I tried to get him to he just stuck to that "significantly" number. I guess he figured zero was pointless.
Then I got pretty non fixable pneumonia for like 18 months or so. My docs were nearing like the COPD diagnosis and oxygen tanks.
Docs DO make a difference honestly. They just looked so freaking MISERABLE at me. I mean these had been my PCPs for 10 years and we LIKED each other, I had referred people to them because they were a mostly AHCCCS clinic and they were just going oh GOD. Here is this lovely young woman (I was like 40) who is going to smoke herself into an early grave.... I HATE cigarettes. They didn't SAY it but it was written all over their faces.
Then my kid who quit smoking then vaping guilt gifted his gear to me and well I was like, "Dude you OWE it to yourself to try One More Time) and I did and set up 12 mg/ml in a 0.25 coil setup. I knew nothing of DL or anything so like it seemed low to ME. Only I felt rather ill so that was my first post on ECF "Should I up my nic?"
I don't think DL would have worked that well for me ever, I do not care for large volumes of hot vape, but I was quickly steered to MTL setups and it was all good from there.
The first time I bounced into my PCPs office for whatever reason I forget, I cheerily said, "Hey it's your laryngeal cancer scare, remember me?" My PCP said, very drily, "Anna um, I am WELL AWARE of who you are. What's the smoking deal?" I was like, "ZERO!!"'
He was like "Really? You, what how?" I said, "Vaping." He said, "I don't care what you ever will hear or not hear, you just keep vaping until you die, as far as I'm concerned if that keeps you off the cigarettes, okay?" Then he listened to everything and made me go get an EXACT match ("make them use the same machine") whatchanacalit to check if the stuff on one lung was just pneumonia scarring or some type of growth.
Those were awesome docs, man, they truly were. I never got crud from a member of that office, and now I look, feel and whatever (well usually I'm sick currently) ten years younger than I did.
Thanks for reminding me of the day I finally gave UP. When I freaking put down the damn shovel, and said, "I will try something else.:
Vaping is the best.
Anna
Poor guy I had to comfort him. I was like, "Um it's not really.... I mean if I have it I earned it really. I did the smoking not you."
IDK what he said but I got this call from the ENT office about an hour later. They were like, "Where are you?"
"You mean my home address?"
"No where ARE you. What are your cross streets? Drive right here."
So I didn't have a ton of time to worry which was nice. The ENT (he did my kid's tonsillectomy before I'd met him) he was a one message kinda guy. He sort of looked me up and down and said: "You need to smoke, ah, significantly less." He did not offer any number or target although I tried to get him to he just stuck to that "significantly" number. I guess he figured zero was pointless.
Then I got pretty non fixable pneumonia for like 18 months or so. My docs were nearing like the COPD diagnosis and oxygen tanks.
Docs DO make a difference honestly. They just looked so freaking MISERABLE at me. I mean these had been my PCPs for 10 years and we LIKED each other, I had referred people to them because they were a mostly AHCCCS clinic and they were just going oh GOD. Here is this lovely young woman (I was like 40) who is going to smoke herself into an early grave.... I HATE cigarettes. They didn't SAY it but it was written all over their faces.
Then my kid who quit smoking then vaping guilt gifted his gear to me and well I was like, "Dude you OWE it to yourself to try One More Time) and I did and set up 12 mg/ml in a 0.25 coil setup. I knew nothing of DL or anything so like it seemed low to ME. Only I felt rather ill so that was my first post on ECF "Should I up my nic?"
I don't think DL would have worked that well for me ever, I do not care for large volumes of hot vape, but I was quickly steered to MTL setups and it was all good from there.
The first time I bounced into my PCPs office for whatever reason I forget, I cheerily said, "Hey it's your laryngeal cancer scare, remember me?" My PCP said, very drily, "Anna um, I am WELL AWARE of who you are. What's the smoking deal?" I was like, "ZERO!!"'
He was like "Really? You, what how?" I said, "Vaping." He said, "I don't care what you ever will hear or not hear, you just keep vaping until you die, as far as I'm concerned if that keeps you off the cigarettes, okay?" Then he listened to everything and made me go get an EXACT match ("make them use the same machine") whatchanacalit to check if the stuff on one lung was just pneumonia scarring or some type of growth.
Those were awesome docs, man, they truly were. I never got crud from a member of that office, and now I look, feel and whatever (well usually I'm sick currently) ten years younger than I did.
Thanks for reminding me of the day I finally gave UP. When I freaking put down the damn shovel, and said, "I will try something else.:
Vaping is the best.
Anna
I to have a similar story.Driving truck 30 years, 2pks a day.I get lung infection go to my doctor and he tells me that I would be on oxygen in ten years if I kept smoking.I quit that day and I went for the patches and gum.Thank god I bought one of those ecigs that looks like a cigarette at the corner store.I havent thought about tabacco since.
Welcome to ECF 
I never really went salt nic route and now at 1mg and going down I see no point in it.
If you are satisfied with freebase don't change. Salts are perfect for high nic mtl or pods but that's my opinion.
Stay safe.
I never really went salt nic route and now at 1mg and going down I see no point in it.
If you are satisfied with freebase don't change. Salts are perfect for high nic mtl or pods but that's my opinion.
Stay safe.
Yeah man 40% nic is 400mg/ml, I guess you meant 4% which is 40mg/ml. The strongest base for my mixes is 7.2%: 72mg/ml and I haven't seen a liquid base higher than 10% available online.
I might have but I ran away saying, "That looks like chemical waste!" Or, a keg maybe which it definitely isn't. Even the pic was frightening. But the rules is, 100 mg/ml or less you really have to WORK HARD to get hospitalized for that.
Anna
Anna
Black Leaf 40, which isnt made anymore, I dont think, but used to be sold in farm stores as an insecticide for livestock was 40% nicotine sulfate. You did not want to get any of this stuff on your skin.
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