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Nice article in Wausau Daily Herald-For me, 'vaping' beats smoking

Discussion in 'Media and General News' started by Caridwen, Feb 15, 2013.

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  1. Caridwen

    Caridwen ECF Moderator Senior Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jan 15, 2011
  2. Paulette

    Paulette Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 22, 2012
    Florida
    THANKS for sharing Caridwen!
     
  3. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    That's a good piece, but I would like someday to see us move away from...

    --The idea that nicotine is a poison
    --The idea that nicotine is "the most addictive substance known to man"

    The first argument is a red herring, and the second simply isn't even close to being true.
    And those arguments are going to come back to bite us some day.


    What would be better is if we were simply free to argue that we vape because we liked to smoke, period.

    And if we could get the world to understand that nicotine really does have tangible health benefits...
    And if we could get them to understand that nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine...
    And probably not much more addictive either, without the MAOIs in tobacco...

    Then people would start to see vaping and nicotine use in a completely different light.
    And perhaps, someday, such arguments will neuter the ANTZ once and for all, and truly set us free.
     
  4. jkos

    jkos Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 5, 2012
    missouri
    If it looks like you're smoking the Antz will be around forever, THE END.
     
  5. cmknight

    cmknight Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2013
    China
    I'm a newbie to vaping, so please don't climb all over me. Two questions ... How is nicotine being a poison a red herring, and, how is nicotine being the most addictive substance known to man not even close to being true? As far as I know, nicotine, in high dosages, IS a poison, and it IS one of the most addictive substances known to man, if not THE most addictive. That's what makes it so hard to quit ... the strength of the addiction. Is there something I'm not seeing?

    Can you provide me with links which support your statements?

    I just want the information so I can make my own informed decisions, I'm not trying to call you out on your opinions.
     
  6. tommy2bad

    tommy2bad Super Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 1, 2011
    Kilkenny
    Nicotine is a poison is a red herring as caffeine is a poison, alcohol is a poison and several other things that in high enough dose are lethal.
    Irrelevant to any part of the debate other than packaging.
    I think the most addictive thing known to man is pure hyperbole and used to justify a ban or continued use depending on which side your on. Also addiction is not the issue yet, the health implications of continuing the addiction are. Again comparing clean nicotine use with fresh air misses the point. It's about replacing smoking as the delivery method for nicotine.
     
  7. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    One of the primary principles of toxicology is that the dose makes the poison.
    What that means is that pretty much anything can be "poison" if you take more of it than your body can handle.

    You can even drink too much water and die from water intoxication.

    Calling nicotine a poison is just a way to demonize it's use, and it is tactic we should not allow to pass unchallenged.
    Heck, you could just as easily call nicotine a medicine if you wanted.

    Check this link out...
    Nicotine Effects


    As for the addictiveness part, here is a link, and there are further links in the references...
    Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This is also an interesting read...
    Professor: Nicotine does not cause cigarette addiction | The State Press - An independent daily serving Arizona State University


    But most of the evidence I have seen is anecdotal, and right here on this forum.
    It is the collective experiences of us vapers, which I have been reading for nearly four years now.

    It is a very common experience for vapers to find their need for nicotine diminishes over time.
    Or even disappears completely.

    And for many people these changes can happen very quickly.

    That is not to say that I don't think there are people that might be strongly addicted to nicotine.
    I would not be the least bit surprised to find that there is a certain percentage that really does have a strong addiction.

    But I think the general public vastly overestimates the role of nicotine in the addiction to smoking.
    And vastly underestimates the many other factors involved in the addiction to smoking.

    And this is exactly why electronic cigarettes work, while all other nicotine replacement products fail.
     
  8. Petrodus

    Petrodus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2010
    Midwest
    Those opposed to e-cigarettes are famous for lying and over exaggerating.
    Here's 1 link: Click Here

    As a new member, you will see ANTZ mentioned in post and wonder what it means.
    Kristin (one of our core members) is the one who coined ANTZ.
    The acronym ANTZ stands for Anti-Nicotine and Tobacco Zealots
    :)
     
  9. kristin

    kristin Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 16, 2009
    CASAA - Wisconsin
    The saying that nicotine is the most addictive substance known to man is completely made up. It's based on a statement made by the Surgeon General, which in turn was based on surveys of drug addicts who smoked. There are no chemical tests or studies that show that nicotine is "most addictive" nor are there human or animal studies which prove such a claim. Just the assumption that because some drug addicts who quit their hard drugs still smoked and said they couldn't quit it must mean nicotine is more addictive. Nevermind that 1) most smokers lie about WANTING to quit (as opposed to knowing they should) and 2) the drug addicts obviously went through a lot to overcome a horrible drug addiction, so how likely would it be they'd also want to give up smoking?

    Even the ANTZ counter their own claims. One minute they claim big tobacco has made cigarettes more addictive than he-roin to hook kids, but the next they claim that smokers shouldn't have any problem waiting several hours in those non-smoking areas created to protect bystanders from them. Of course we have all seen how certain drug addicts act after only a short time away from their drug. I wonder if most people would prefer a crack addict or a nicotine addict next to them on a 14 hour flight and if they'd still buy the silly "more addictive" claim after the trip? ;)
     
  10. PaulB

    PaulB Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 12, 2010
    Virginia
    Good article. I'm betting that the writer supplied the photo (eGo Twist batteries instead of the usual cigarette-looking device), and he sounds above-average informed about what's going on with regulation, etc. I wonder if he hangs out here.
     
  11. cmknight

    cmknight Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2013
    China
    Thank you all very much for the info. It's greatly appreciated.
     
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