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Nicotine/Cotinine test for employment

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  1. NightNurse

    NightNurse Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 17, 2010
    SE Michigan
    I have to take one of these tests as part of a pre-employment physical. I'm assuming that they are going to test my urine for cotinine. If I fail, they will rescind my job offer. I've been searching the internet and these threads for anyone else's (especially vapers) experience with this test, how long they prepared for it, how they prepared for it, and if they passed/failed. I haven't been able to find much.

    I don't want to get into a political/ethical debate over the use of these tests by employers (I think it sucks and I'll leave it at that), I'm looking for info.. and maybe some peace of mind. I really want this job, and I'm stressing out about this test.

    I've been vaping exclusively for about four years. No analogs. 24mg liquid, all day, every day. I mostly stopped vaping on Thursday.. mostly, because I was really going thru withdrawls and had a few puffs over the course of the day. Then I went most of Friday without vaping, but caved in later that afternoon and had a few puffs. That evening, I went and bought some 0mg juice so I'd have something to vape. So, basically, I've been nic-free since Friday evening and my test is this Friday (2/28) which means I'll have a solid 6 days of no nicotine when I go in for my test. According to the half-life of cotinine, I should be ok.. but still, I stress.

    I've been drinking water and green tea, and plan to keep doing so.

    I don't want to use fake urine, or someone else's pee (ew) to beat the test.

    Is there anyone here that's taken the test and passed (or failed)? I'd like to hear your experience. And I promise to return to update everyone on what happens with my test. There's nothing more frustrating that reading one of these threads for pages and pages, only to have the OP disappear and not let everyone know what happened. I won't do that :)

    Thanks!
     
  2. ZNinja

    ZNinja Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 7, 2013
    Austin, Ar. USA
    Get cotinine tests on eBay and test yourself. I did. You will know for sure if you will pass then.
     
  3. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 9, 2013
    Houston, TX
    Why would they test for our deny a job for nicotine use? They may as well test for caffeine too.
     
  4. Bramble

    Bramble Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2014
    Utah
    You can be a non-smoker and test + for nicotine if you are using patches. Surely they would not hold that against you?

    EDIT: I'm saying if they have an issue with vaping because so many irrational people do, not that I think we should have to hide the fact that we vape. However one of the things that attracted me switch to vaping is that I don't think my nicotine consumption is any an employer's business if not done on company time. IMO the smell of smoking tattles on you and sets you up to be disliked even if you never do it at work.
     
  5. AutumnBrook

    AutumnBrook Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    Grand Haven, mi
    My job tests for insurance purposes. I may be tested next week and be forced to pay $1300 in additional annual premium if I come back positive. They do not care if it is from vaping. Not one bit.
     
  6. retird

    retird Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 31, 2010
    North Side
    googled this:


    Test Name

    Cotinine, Urine


    Overview


    Ordering Info





    CPT Code(s)

    83520

    Methodology

    Immunoassay

    Reference Range(s)

    <0.50 mcg/mL

    Clinical Significance

    Cotinine derives from nicotine. Once absorbed in the body, nicotine rapidly metabolizes to cotinine and cannot be detected in significant quantity in the urine. The half life of nicotine is short, about two hours. The half-life of cotinine is 10-37 hours which makes it a more reliable marker than nicotine. Cotinine, intrinsically being specific for tobacco, is the preferred marker for use of tobacco. Tobacco is the leading cause of death in the United States.
     
  7. ZNinja

    ZNinja Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 7, 2013
    Austin, Ar. USA
    Give yourself a week on 1/2mg per ml juice if you simply can't do zero and you should be able to pass... was my experience anyways ymmv.
     
  8. Bunnykiller

    Bunnykiller ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 17, 2013
    New Orleans La.
    and after you get hired and they pull a surprise test 7 weeks later and you show up positive, then what??
     
  9. NightNurse

    NightNurse Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 17, 2010
    SE Michigan
    I'm doing ok with the 0mg juice. First day I felt like I was vaping air, and the withdrawls weren't fun, but it's getting easier/better.
     
  10. NightNurse

    NightNurse Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 17, 2010
    SE Michigan
    They won't pull any surprise tests. It's only for pre-employment.
     
  11. donnah

    donnah Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I just want to say good luck! From the above post.. it sounds like you should be OK. My husband chews tobacco on occasion and when he was tested (for life insurance) the nicotine came back as none. and yes, please let us know what happens!
     
  12. bones1274

    bones1274 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 28, 2010
    florida
    Here is an article from the New England Journal of Medicine. Just blame it on your diet.......

    Even though the link says error, it is a good link.

    MMS: Error
     
  13. Flt Simulation

    Flt Simulation Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 26, 2014
    Florida
    Jeeeze ... some of the flight nurses (BSNs) I knew back in Viet Nam used to smoke ....... all the time ... How things have changed!

    Testing an RN for nicotine is silly to say the least!

    This country has really turned itself around to everything needing to be "politically correct"!
     
  14. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 9, 2013
    Houston, TX
    How is discriminating against a smoker for employment even legal?
     
  15. sc12

    sc12 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 22, 2013
    USA
    I'm hopped up on caffeine and nicotine, gimmie all ya'lls newfangled vapor producin contraptions so I kin get all up in ever buddies bihness with my haphazardy care for nursin, custumar servises and waitressifaction, trash collectin, stock brokerating, docturin, salivatin, and chillin on the porch.


    Sorry folks I just think it's ridiculous to be tested for nicotine as though vaping (or smoking) is some sort of criminal act and I hope everything works out for the OP.
     
  16. Buggainok

    Buggainok Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 1, 2014
    oklahoma city ok usa
    I wish you good luck. I, too, think it's pretty outrageous that so many employers are testing for nicotine. Especially considering that many times they do not run simple background checks on school and daycare workers, who then turn out to be convicted sexual offenders.
     
  17. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 9, 2013
    Houston, TX
    As I read that I am picturing Jason Mewes as the one saying that.
     
  18. vampyre74

    vampyre74 Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Do let us know how it goes!
     
  19. InTheShade

    InTheShade Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 26, 2013
    South Texas
    A lot of employers test for nicotine because it costs them more in insurance premiums to insure tobacco and nicotine users. It's simply our lovely capitalist system working at it's most efficient.

    So we can all blame the government, representatives, congress and the PC brigade, but the real reason is what it all boils down to - what pretty much everything boils down to - money.

    Anyway, sorry OP, didn't mean to hijack as you said this shouldn't escalate, but it's impossible to discuss nicotine tests without having some debate about the legality / reasons behind the tests.
     
  20. ShariR

    ShariR Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 13, 2013
    Nashville, TN
    With the world today, I wonder what else is tested for in these blood tests. I do not remember getting a disclosure of what exact tests are run for these pre-employment screenings and insurance screenings. Is there any law regarding what they can test you for legally. Are laws different in different states?

    This is starting to get real murky. OP, I hope you pass that test.
     
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