Nicotine less addictive via vaping then smoking?
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Now you are arguing that the Propaganda Doesn't Matter
Propaganda matters a lot when a government wants to convince it's citizens that...
1. It should tax certain products at 50-100-500% rates. Because it is "sinful"
2. It should severely restrict the behavior of it's citizens. For example where they can vape. Or what vape products they can buy
And item 2 is particularly important because as our culture rushes towards a global "no smoking" policy, vaping is being swept along with it. And governments are doing this by equating vaping to smoking. Pure propaganda.
And you refuse to answer my previous question... why are you tenaciously hanging on to harm reduction rather than adopt the factual "no known harm" that I suggest?
'Propaganda' doesn't make vaping look like smoking; seeing does, hence the inclusion with smoking restrictions in our sensitive society...
You are Starting to Twist what Members say into Arguments that you want to Have. Again.
No, *you* said that the propaganda doesn't matter. You said the words don't matter, that the gov't will do what it wants anyway. Read what you wrote. I disagree and gave my reasons. The propaganda is not the entire war, but it is a critical element of the war.
Once again... Whatever you say Neil.
I get the Impression that whatever I say is just going to be turned into some Spin on Propaganda.
Which to be Honest with you, is Starting to sound like a Dead Horse that is Being Beaten.
It's way more than that. It is convincing the general population that "vaping is bad", and then that second hand vape is bad for everyone else, and etc. They want the population thinking they will get cancer standing next to a vaper.
Imagine a world where the gov't encouraged vaping as a smoking cessation method. Imagine commercials telling the masses that vaping is ok, it is safe. Then the public would not "see" vaping as smoking, but as a good thing.
That is the power of propaganda.
I have an addictive personality and I've gone a few days without vaping with no effects, however, yesterday some of my gear failed and I no longer have a way to vape due to the limitations of my devices and rdas. I already feel agitated and pissy D:
Ah, the mysterious 'they...'
I don't want the government to encourage anything, other than less government intrusion.
Smoking and thus things which look like smoking just aren't accepted in the U.S. Vaping came around about 20 years too late. Take a country like CR, for instance, where smoking is commonplace and the population is, for the most part, ambivalent about smoking. Vaping is not restricted, taxed, other than the standard VAT, and accepted pretty much everywhere. The U.S. Will never have such a free and unrestricted society...
If the U.S. gov't wanted the population to accept and embrace vaping, it would happen. People will believe anything they see on a 24 hr news channel or web site. I find it difficult to believe that people here, knowledgeable with the history, believe that the public's disdain for vaping just happened. It was a concerted effort by the gov't and the media. But we will just have to agree to disagree on this.
Funny one talks about overreaching governments, then wants the government to propagate a propaganda campaign in favor of vaping....
I didn't say I wanted it. I just said what would happen if the gov't took that position. If your argument is reduced to putting words in my mouth then my participation has run its course.
I learned a lot from this thread. Mainly that as a species vapers are doomed because they don't recognize nor will they accept how they are being propagandized. And if we as a species can't, then there is no hope.
You seem to have a notion a majority of the population actually believes or trusts what the government says...
Again with the propaganda. Just because others don't agree with you doesn't mean they have been brainwashed by propaganda... Perhaps it is easier to simply find someone or something to blame, rather than just accept American society simply doesn't care that much about vaping and isn't willing to accept something which looks like smoking...
It's not black or white.
It's not this or that.
It's both.
Although it can easily be argued that the propaganda over the that 30 years...
Contributed GREATLY to how people feel about something that looks like smoking...
So yeah, mostly propaganda.
The industry was only happy to help by adopting all by itself various "think of the children" policies such as age limits for sales. If it's bad for the children then it can't be completely harmless for adults, can it?
Wrong. I am not a mental midget (as you may assume) and I knew EXACTLY what you were talking about. You always seem to be so defensive and act like everyone is attacking what you are saying, which I am not. The only person around here who is "missing points" would be you because if you had correctly read the post above this one, you would see that I agreed with you as well as what others have pointed out. Here is what I put in the post so that you can see that I was in no way in disagreement with you or anyone else.....
"For those of you who view the term "harm reduction" as inappropriate or not accurate, I also understand your views as well."
What does that statement say to you? In case you can't decipher it, I will expound on it.......... It means that I was in agreement with you or anyone else who thinks that the term harm reduction is not appropriate and that I understand why you feel this way. In other words, I agree.... So, if I agree, why be so defensive about something that doesn't even exist? Just because I think that a person should err on the side of caution does in no way mean I don't understand and believe what you and the other posters have mentioned.
As for my comment about myself not caring about the term harm reduction was not intended to be a reflection for the entire public at large. It is for me only. In other words, someone can use the proper terminology around me or not use it and I could care less. But, as for the newbies or the public at large, then yes the proper terminology would be more significant. But, I was NOT talking about the general public. I was simply referring to when others talk to me about the subject. It's not a big deal too myself.
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