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I would say the delivery system is as much (or even more) important than the level of nicotine. Back in the day of ego t atomizers, anything less than 36mg in the morning wouldn't stop my cravings like an analog would.Must be different for everyone. Was told to start off with 24mg or 18mg as a newbie on the forum.......found out that made me sick so I dropped immediately to 12mg and was able to quit smoking in a week. Never had any withdrawal symptoms at all and I smoked for 20 years....
I'd stack my opinion up with whatever scientific opinion is currently around and take my chances in any debate / discussion. Fairly confident, I'd be victorious.
If you believe nicotine by itself is so addictive, perhaps you could explain why patches and gum don't work.
That question seems to have no valid answer other than the "habit" and "rituals" are extremely important in the "addiction" equation.
Or that various other things found in tobacco lend themselves to increased addiction potential.
Or maybe it's both.
Yeah, probably.
This is where it gets interesting for me because, at first, I thought I was addicted to nicotine. Then, later on, I discovered there were a gazillion other chemicals involved in the burning of a cigarette. So, when I started vaping, I began to observe myself and the habits I had acquired when I was smoking.
For me, I don't think it's the nicotine that I am addicted to as much as some other chemical in the cigarettes. This was more clear to me when I added WTA to my juice. For me, I also think ritual and habit has a big part in it also. I enjoyed getting up from my desk and getting away to another part of the facility. I like the factor of sometimes being alone with the hand to mouth routine and letting my thoughts go where they will while I watch the smoke come out of my mouth. Even when I'm not drawing on the vape, I find myself sitting there with the device in hand. I may even have the tip in my mouth without inhaling. It's like being with an old friend who accepts whatever I'm thinking or feeling without judging me for it.
a deadly product
For me, I also think ritual and habit has a big part in it also. I enjoyed getting up from my desk and getting away to another part of the facility. I like the factor of sometimes being alone with the hand to mouth routine and letting my thoughts go where they will while I watch the smoke come out of my mouth. Even when I'm not drawing on the vape, I find myself sitting there with the device in hand. I may even have the tip in my mouth without inhaling. It's like being with an old friend who accepts whatever I'm thinking or feeling without judging me for it.
ok youd be victorious in your OPINION that a deadly product that people only ingest because theyre addicted to and has been demonstrated in numerous tests and case studies to be addictive actually isnt, because you say so.
OK, you can believe that if you want just like you deny evidence of climate change agreed upon by the scientists that actually study these things for a living because, again, your opinion.![]()
Show me these tests and case studies. Let us all see how credible they are.
Show me a substance that is not addictive. Oh, that's right, you can't.
You didn't say whether you were referring to cigarettes or to nicotine. If the former I agree, if the latter not so much.
In what way is nicotine deadly? If it is I would sure like to know, but I haven't seen anything to this effect, other than a reference to it being dodgy for people with certain heart conditions. And it has been cleared for use in patches and gum, I assume by the FDA.
beckdg:14852598 said:people only ingest because theyre addicted to
False.
has been demonstrated in numerous tests and case studies to be addictive
Nicotine? Isolated? Not tobacco which consists of more than just nicotine. Are you positive?
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Jman8:14853915 said:ok youd be victorious in your OPINION that a deadly product that people only ingest because theyre addicted to and has been demonstrated in numerous tests and case studies to be addictive actually isnt, because you say so.
Show me these tests and case studies. Let us all see how credible they are.
OK, you can believe that if you want just like you deny evidence of climate change agreed upon by the scientists that actually study these things for a living because, again, your opinion.![]()
Show me a substance that is not addictive. Oh, that's right, you can't.
You don't really think something is safe, just because the FDA has approved it, do you?
No he was talking about cigarettes.
It's like those who use the other stuff trying to convince others that the other stuff isn't addictive, or even harmful...
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They will keep insisting nicotine by itself (raw nicotine) isn't addictive and blah, blah, blah. Who freaking cares??
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I It is fascinating that nicotine is not addictive or not very addictive unless ingested by combustion tobacco.