Nicotine not addictive? Yeah right!
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Studies on specifically the product in question including exactly the relevant study group are irrelevant when I have an opinion too. Because dey r da stupids an I r da smart. I no tingz... I jus no dem. I has da common sens.
If tests show this, let's see them. Why is this so challenging to provide?
Yep, all substances arguably fit within this definition by plausibly at least some users.
Lets say we go with the crazy theory that nicotine isn't addict (lol), ok so what's the point?? What difference will it make?? Is everyone gonna suddenly stop vaping nicotine?? Are they gonna let you vape anywhere you want?? What benefit is it and agenda are you feeding trying to prove an addictive substance isn't addictive??
And I would say, clearly, some have hitched a wagon to idea that nicotine is especially addictive, while constructing very well known and perverse agendas to play on (or prey on) nicotine users as if they are ALL ADDICTS.
So, along comes a nic user who claims to not be an addict or challenges this rather mundane description of addiction and they, THEY, are the one with an agenda? THEY are the ones twisting things to suit an agenda?
To me, there's just so much to pick apart with how the nicotine addiction is applied. Users, do it often, yes, but most if not all persons reading this sentence have done it often and lived to be very old people, as if doing it often isn't detrimental to one's life / livelihood, and arguably enhances it. Oh, and of that same bunch, most if not all started at an age when allegedly it is so highly dangerous, that just one teaspoon could end it all for you. There on the spot. That's how harmful and incredibly dangerous this nicotine thing is. But, ya know, almost ALL users of it start at that young age and magically live to be in their 80's, by doing it very often because it is, ahem, cough cough, so incredibly dangerous.
How many alcohol drinkers are choosing their otherwise alcohol tasting beverages without the alcohol in them? How many coffee drinkers will drink caffeinated coffee about as much as decaf? Why not choose only decaf, lest you be considered full blown addict with inherent problem for choosing caffeinated? This just tackles the line of thinking that claims if you cannot go without it in its most enjoyable form, then of course you, as a user, are a full blown addict. The above paragraph establishes that the degree of harm, considering the amount of use by most if not all users, is incredibly disproportionate to level of harm.
And I would just add to this that while I have experienced heavy abuse as a smoker that constantly craves a cigarette, and would say that I was addicted, I no longer find that to be the case with smoking. I am a moderate smoker who smokes because I enjoy smoking. I enjoy the taste. Imagine that. But also that I never or oh so very rarely crave a smoke, such that it is no longer addiction that compels me to smoke. I believe vaping (nic) allows for that, but also think it is more than the nic, as I can distinctly recall going cold turkey from smoking and what that is like in terms of compelling nature. In a few words, moderate smoking rocks. But I clearly recognize it is not for everyone.
As one who never will care to have highest nic possible in an eLiquid, then please all of you who crave that, have at it. I've found something that is, on the scale of really high nic to none at all, on the low end, and I know of dozens if not hundreds of vapers who are at levels lower than me. Plus, we know there are people that a) vape and b) do zero nic, while c) likely having own history of being addicted to smoking a cigarette very often for many years. That these people exist is a testament to how not so especially addictive nicotine really isn't.
But to convince anyone that this is a detrimental addiction is highly debatable. Still debatable if person is only a smoker. Far less debatable if person is only a vaper. And as I'm feeling very comfortable on this topic, I'm okay if we stick to the debate on only a smoker and see where the chips fall at end of actual debate rather than relying on the emotionally hyped nonsense that ANTZ has perversely contributed. Even via, ahem, cough cough, science.
If only measure for 'not addicted' is 'have you quit,' then this is where I introduce the 'every substance is addictive' tangent as it makes sense to do so. The fact that some people have not had any bacon in the last 10 years, doesn't mean that bacon is not addictive, for surely there are people that have not quit eating bacon and probably thousands, (if not billions) who have expressed desire to never quit eating bacon. Therefore bacon is addictive.
And as one who has intentionally chosen not to quit smoking cigarettes, and who has covered the gamut on levels of using nicotine via smoking, I'm here to attest to the idea that smoking (nic) is not inherently addictive. And that I am alive and kicking many many years later as a non-addict, but former addict, establishes that the detrimental factor that allegedly comes with (intense) addiction to nicotine is far less than what's purported and more than 'none at all.'
Like every other substance on this planet.
LMAO, you post all that blah, blah, blah and yet you still moderately smoke (sure) and vape nicotine. Then again most every vapor I know also smokes, you know the ones that buy a carton of smokes along with a bottle of e liquid. Which exactly proves the point that nicotine is addictive no matter what some crazy self anointed internet scientist try to tell everyone.
Back when I was in the rooms, newbs would come in wet saying they could take or leave alcohol; didn't matter to them; they could stop anytime. We'd see them months later after they spent some time in jail, wet again, saying they could stop whenever they wanted...
That is FACT. Anybody who says otherwise has no common sense and is lying to themselves. It's all propaganda so they can get you hooked.
Casual bacon eater? Yeah right. Anyone who eats bacon is clearly addicted. It was the bacon in sausage that got them hooked and now they always have to have bacon in their fridge or the local 7-11 at all times. They never go out to anywhere that's not within a close proximity to bacon.
Why? Because they're obviously addicted. It's so obvious.
Dual user? You mean addict! IT'S SO OBVIOUS. There's no other explanation.
I'm tired of all these self anointed internet pork experts providing proof that bacon is in every town across the country. Doesn't change the fact that you addicts won't go to a baconless town BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDICTED!!!!
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*sigh* you caught me. I am a hopeless bacon addict *sobs* Whatever shall I do?
Say, does any pharma company sell BRT (bacon replacement therapy) to stop my bacon addiction by feeding my bacon gums and lozenges? Now, that would be nice Maybe I can even stick a bacon patch on my arm. Yum.. that sure would smell nice. But would it not make me want.. uhm.. more bacon?
*sigh* you caught me. I am a hopeless bacon addict *sobs* Whatever shall I do?
Say, does any pharma company sell BRT (bacon replacement therapy) to stop my bacon addiction by feeding my bacon gums and lozenges? Now, that would be nice
Maybe I can even stick a bacon patch on my arm. Yum.. that sure would smell nice. But would it not make me want.. uhm.. more bacon?
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@beckdg:
*sigh* you caught me. I am a hopeless bacon addict *sobs* Whatever shall I do?
Say, does any pharma company sell BRT (bacon replacement therapy) to stop my bacon addiction by feeding my bacon gums and lozenges? Now, that would be nice
have you tried cHAMtix ®?
word on the street is if you're real careful with it somewhere between rectal bleeding and suicide some people succeed in quitting.
temporarily.
BUT! you can get a subscription for it. AND! it's FDA approved so we know it's safe ®.
Last week I ate grilled shrimps wrapped in bacon. After reading the last few posts I got cravings remembering that dinner. My only doubt right now is if I'm craving for the bacon or the shrimps?
Maybe I'm addicted to both? How do I manage to live for weeks without bacon or shrimps beats me. Must be a seasonal addiction I guess.
Anyway, back to topic... Anything that does anything to your body can be addictive. Nicotine raises your blood pressure, makes you more aware and lowers your reaction time. Sure it can be addictive.
I also bet there are people out there that don't become addicted to it just as I believe there is one person in the world that tried coca* and hadn't become addicted just like I'm sure there is one person out there that did her* and doesn't miss it.
What's the point in this? It only proves we all are different and react to things differently. Wasn't there a guy some years ago that tried to hijack a plane because he wasn't allowed to smoke on board? He reacted differently than other people under withdrawal, just that.
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Maybe I'm addicted to both? How do I manage to live for weeks without bacon or shrimps beats me. Must be a seasonal addiction I guess.
Anyway, back to topic... Anything that does anything to your body can be addictive. Nicotine raises your blood pressure, makes you more aware and lowers your reaction time. Sure it can be addictive.
I also bet there are people out there that don't become addicted to it just as I believe there is one person in the world that tried coca* and hadn't become addicted just like I'm sure there is one person out there that did her* and doesn't miss it.
What's the point in this? It only proves we all are different and react to things differently. Wasn't there a guy some years ago that tried to hijack a plane because he wasn't allowed to smoke on board? He reacted differently than other people under withdrawal, just that.
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It doesn't have to be a chemical input to get a chemical output either, anything can cause this. Running, gambling, sex, work, it can all be addictive and sometimes quite strongly.
Hmm, now where did I hide that last bacon taco ...
Truth be told, this is just a topic I really don't care to debate anymore. Why? Because I just DON'T CARE!! If I am addicted to nicotine, vaping, bacon, brownies, German Chocolate cake, and dark chocolate, then it's MY business and NOT for the government or FDA to worry about. AND, none of it makes me a bad person, SO................rage on.
I'm not real clear what all the fuss is about. But its quite obvious that some feel a need to convince others that vaping nicotine isn't addictive and is just simply harmless, of course common sense prevails and most can see right through that silly comment. But for whatever reason some want to insist on it and make long boring agruis posts as if they have some authority on the matter. I believe many of these web forum scientist got their education in the form of opinion from the intrenet, which is fine, but its certainly far from fact.
Where's all the doctors, health professionals, and real science experts toting all the benefits of vaping at?? Telling us vaping is safe, nicotine isn't addictive, give it to your kids, there's nothing to worry about, go ahead trust all the unregulated liquid sellers, no harm will come to you, lol, where are all those voices?? Oh right there's not to many. I wonder why?? Did the tobacco companies brainwash them?? Did the drug companies pay them all off?? Are black helicopters flying over their homes maybe and their scared?? Where they shut up by promises of endless bacon burgers?? Did Bigfoot tell them not to talk or else?? Or maybe aliens enlightened them, who knows??
Where's all the doctors, health professionals, and real science experts toting all the benefits of vaping at?? Telling us vaping is safe, nicotine isn't addictive, give it to your kids, there's nothing to worry about, go ahead trust all the unregulated liquid sellers, no harm will come to you, lol, where are all those voices?? Oh right there's not to many. I wonder why?? Did the tobacco companies brainwash them?? Did the drug companies pay them all off?? Are black helicopters flying over their homes maybe and their scared?? Where they shut up by promises of endless bacon burgers?? Did Bigfoot tell them not to talk or else?? Or maybe aliens enlightened them, who knows??
What do you mean "raw nicotine", raw has no definition that makes sense in your statements.
Raw, adjective
1.uncooked, as articles of food:a raw carrot.
2.not having undergone processes of preparing, dressing, finishing, refining, or manufacture:raw cotton.
3.unnaturally or painfully exposed, as flesh, by removal of the skin or natural integument.
4.painfully open, as a sore or wound.
5.crude in quality or character; not tempered or refined by art or taste:raw humor.
6.ignorant, inexperienced, or untrained:a raw recruit.
7.brutally or grossly frank:a raw portrayal of human passions.
Oh "a whole lot". I see, very precise. Excellent research, who is responsible for it? I must read this. What I've read so far suggests that never smokers who start vaping show little, about like caffeine, to no addiction at all.
Did I say smoking was not addictive? No I did not, smoking is highly addictive. Note I said smoking not nicotine.
It's a choice to smoke until you are addicted.
It is no concern of mine if you are or are not real clear on what I need to understand about smoking. I have already stated what I was interesting in.
Yes of course all the scientists doing these studies and experiments are all complete fools, they could be watching Duck Dynasty instead of wasting all that time.
Believing or what you believe has nothing to do with what is actually true to anyone but you. You may believe the Earth is 6000 years old, science through experimentation and observation has prove this is incorrect. Believe what you will, in controlled experiments scientists have observed that in the never smoked group nicotine has little to no addictive qualities.
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