Nicotine Solution
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Remember those "flavored" cigarettes that appeared briefly on the market? I think the same actions may be taken towards e-juice; tobacco or menthol. Heck, I believe in menthol as a "flavor" is currently under debate.
Under the worst case scenario, I hope they don't make unflavored nicotine unavailable for purchase OR regulate the mg% or amounts to ridiculous levels.
Hopefully the devices, etc. won't be touched. If they do, hopefully they find a technical loophole that would allow them to still be available. Similar to the situation I see with all those "tobacco water pipes".
In any case, grabbed some mechanical mods, RBA's and some unflavored nic just in case SHTF.
Remember those "flavored" cigarettes that appeared briefly on the market? I think the same actions may be taken towards e-juice; tobacco or menthol. Heck, I believe in menthol as a "flavor" is currently under debate.
Under the worst case scenario, I hope they don't make unflavored nicotine unavailable for purchase OR regulate the mg% or amounts to ridiculous levels.
Hopefully the devices, etc. won't be touched. If they do, hopefully they find a technical loophole that would allow them to still be available. Similar to the situation I see with all those "tobacco water pipes".
In any case, grabbed some mechanical mods, RBA's and some unflavored nic just in case SHTF.
I do DIY i'm just worried I won't be able to get nicotine. I think the fda will just just regulate anything involving nicotine i.e. disposables and juice... idk about nicotine solution
Regulation of E-Cigarettes and Other Tobacco Products
not sure of any changes since they posted this, but will might help explain, It does seem they will go after the hardware.
Post is from the fda website.
not sure of any changes since they posted this, but will might help explain, It does seem they will go after the hardware.
Post is from the fda website.
My personal opinion is that IF they do regulate, it will be everything (nicotine included)!
I STRONGLY suggest you listen to this taped interview of Bill Godshall from a few months ago to explain things better. If I remember correctly, it starts at around 40 minutes and goes for over an hour. Grab a beer or glass of wine and just listen. I KNOW you will be glad you did!
https://soundcloud.com/#vp-live/deeming-regulations
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Here's the VP Live show in 'podcast form' 
Deeming Regulations from VP Live on podbay: open podcasting
Deeming Regulations from VP Live on podbay: open podcasting
Not sure what is coming but expect it to get worse before it gets better, it's a politician + money thing.
Personally I found a sale on 100mg/ml nicotine solution some months back that was just crazy cheep (deals and steals thread here) and now have over 2 years supply mixed down to 48mg solution (above 50mg doesn't store long term, another thread here) sitting in my deep freeze in small brown glass bottles.
The flavorings are used in so many things I find it unlikely that they can be banned or controled so not worried on that point.
Only other thing is the hardware. I'm now learning about the whole RBA thing like many others so the FDA will play hell stopping me from vapeing all I want.
Reminds me of the old (and coming) assault weapons ban, most just stocked up ahead of time and told the feds to F.O.
It's trench warfare all over again, dig deep brothers and sisters, it's probably going to be a long one coming.
Personally I found a sale on 100mg/ml nicotine solution some months back that was just crazy cheep (deals and steals thread here) and now have over 2 years supply mixed down to 48mg solution (above 50mg doesn't store long term, another thread here) sitting in my deep freeze in small brown glass bottles.
The flavorings are used in so many things I find it unlikely that they can be banned or controled so not worried on that point.
Only other thing is the hardware. I'm now learning about the whole RBA thing like many others so the FDA will play hell stopping me from vapeing all I want.
Reminds me of the old (and coming) assault weapons ban, most just stocked up ahead of time and told the feds to F.O.
It's trench warfare all over again, dig deep brothers and sisters, it's probably going to be a long one coming.
FYI: That is not "pure nicotine"; that's a tobacco extract, there will be A LOT more than just nicotine in the end product.
I believe the nic content from this process will be so close to zero, you may as well call it zero.
VClouds, I've never heard that about high concentrations of nic. If you can give me a link to that thread I would love to read it. I searched, but nada.
Really wish I could provide the link but I lost all my bookmarks during a computer upgrade (still crying).
What I can tell you is that for me to take it as a working understanding I would have had to have found the same or very similar information from 2 to 3 trusted sources. I'm thinking the discussion thread probably started here and linked to a manufacture's FAQ or something similar.
I apologize for posting that information without being able to directly site the source and will try and find it again for you.
The parts I do remember understanding were in reference to long term storage of 1 year or longer. The gist of it refereed to the amount of nicotine dissolved in solution and how well it stayed in solution over time. According the the very detailed chart and technical explanation with it, solutions above the 50mg/ml level had a much higher rate of decay or oxidation. This is not to say it's a sudden change, but more like a sharper angle to the curve on the accompanying chart of strength over storage time.
The reason I remember it even that well was that after researching the subject for around 2 weeks and not getting much more than vague references and personal options this was actual test data (or so I thought and hoped) with very convincing technical terminology and I spend a considerable amount of time copying all the information and charts to my computer and formatting for a pdf file complete with links to the original sources and the thread that started it all.
This and almost a full year's worth of research on e-cigs is just a small part of what I lost when the disk finally crashed. And don't say I should have had a backup, I did. My automated backup ran every night. Problem was it was a slow disk crash, the partition that I stored all my documents on became total corrupted without me noticing before the disk finally crashed completely so the backups were trashed too.
I will do my best to find this information again and post it when I do. If somebody else manages to find it first please send me a PM with the link as I really want to add it to my collection (restarted as it may be), thanks in advance.
Update: After doing some rather extensive searching on this subject I am going to retract my suggestion of only storing nicotine solutions below the 50mg/ml strength. Not sure if I got bad information originally or better information just was not available at that time. What I have found now is some information from people that have actually done some long term storage and were nice enough to post their results.
Here it the starting link, please follow the other links to get all the information.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/134842-long-term-storage-e-liquid.html
Thanks Ryedan for calling me on this as I don't want to be one spreading bad information. Also special thanks to Kurt and the rest for posting their results and helping to reeducate this old fart.
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Thanks for replying VClouds. No worries about any of it. I had done the same research a little while back. I didn't find anything that indicated higher nic concentrations might degrade faster than lower ones so thought I had missed something. Thank you very much for coming back and correcting the information. Really appreciate it 
There's a thread in the DIY section about how a lot of 100mg nic juice was on sale that turned out to be several hundred times strong, definitely test potency properly if you go that high.
On regulation, you know what, I hope they tax based on nicotine strength. I would LOVE to see big tobacco try and get out of that one, not to mention the fact it'd basically destroy combustables.
Do what I did, buy enough to carry you to term. [R.I.P.] .
If your young that may be way out there. But hey stock up, because at least you will avoid the tax hikes.
The most peaceful war civilians can enact against an oppressive government is to starve them from our $$$, When that happens they become week, and start laying off the help. No blood nothing fowl, just a quiet decomposing federal force withering away to dust and bones.
Seriously it's the NIC that's going to get whacked, so stock up, as for the hardware? only doomers like me are worried about it, sounds like hardware panic is unnecessary for the moment. Though I have stocked up on RBA's and Mechanical MODS I will not give advice for others to do that.
That is impossible as 100% pure Nicotine is only 1,000 mg per ml or 10 times as strong as 100 mg not hundreds times stronger.
All the proposed bads / regulations have to do is create a wave of panic buying / stock piling and everything ecig related will become difficult to find / punrchase.
Bottom line is that big pharma nd tobacco componies are tired of losing money to the ecig trade and they are the ones who have the powers that be in thier pockets. Money talks and BS walks.
Bottom line is that big pharma nd tobacco componies are tired of losing money to the ecig trade and they are the ones who have the powers that be in thier pockets. Money talks and BS walks.
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