Njoy International

[fitriidayu]

Hi guys,

I finally ordered the njoy from their international website on friday last week. I was wondering if anyone had purchased it recently? Where are they based? and How quick should i expect to get it? (im in the UK btw) ... I've emailed them over the weekend but theres still no reply and the website seems down as of 02:46 GMT 22/Apr/08.

Also, another question for our Doc in Malaysia (if he sees this), Where did you get the e cigs from? Ordered off the net or are they already selling it in the shops?

 

[jimldk]

Hi guys,

I finally ordered the njoy from their international website on friday last week. I was wondering if anyone had purchased it recently? Where are they based? and How quick should i expect to get it? (im in the UK btw) ... I've emailed them over the weekend but theres still no reply and the website seems down as of 02:46 GMT 22/Apr/08.

Also, another question for our Doc in Malaysia (if he sees this), Where did you get the e cigs from? Ordered off the net or are they already selling it in the shops?

Hi...My devices are from njoy and I got them thru my local dealers(the tax/custom tax is heavy!!)..Not in shop yet but soon will be..(hopefully after my clinical trial can convince our local honcos..so we can commercialised it ,not restricted to doctors / pharmacists only )

 

[vafvaf]

i think to order from njoy international, and here email answer which i received from them:
"All orders within Europe ship from our warehouse in Cyprus. Delivery charge is 15 Euros and it takes 2-3 business days. Orders are delivered door to door. All products are custom cleared and EEU ready."

 

[Oliver]

I'm in the UK and it took about 3 days to get here, postmarked from Cyprus.

SJ

 

[TropicalBob]

SJ, others: I really hadn't paid attention to nJoy until I visited their Web site a few days ago. The company is based in Scottsdale, Ariz., and says on the Web site that manufacturing is done by another Scottsdale company. It has a history that can be read. I read it all.

And then I looked at the nJoy e-cigar in the largest image available. It's a dead-ringer for my Health e-cigar, made in China and sold by DealExtreme. I mean, there's not any difference visible. Now, what are the odds that an American company developed its own e-cigar, manufactures it in America -- and it ends up looking exactly like a Chinese product? Great minds would never agree to this extent!

I don't get it. I really don't. Something is not right in the e-smoking world when every device looks exactly, precisely, like every other device. They all appear to have a single manufacturer. Only the price varies.

And if nJoy is superior inside, how can that be when the outside is a fingerprint of a Chinese product? I want a whistleblower inside this new business. Something is just not right.

 

[markab]

Hi TB,
I agree with your observation. Having said that, I think I understand why it's the case. The e-cigarette is still a very new product. I'm sure that a great deal of money was spent in it's initial research, development, and manufacturing costs. It's far cheaper, and less risky, to obtain a license to re-badge and sell an existing product than develop one from scratch, especially considering the product is almost unheard of in North America.

Mark

SJ, others: I really hadn't paid attention to nJoy until I visited their Web site a few days ago. The company is based in Scottsdale, Ariz., and says on the Web site that manufacturing is done by another Scottsdale company. It has a history that can be read. I read it all.

And then I looked at the nJoy e-cigar in the largest image available. It's a dead-ringer for my Health e-cigar, made in China and sold by DealExtreme. I mean, there's not any difference visible. Now, what are the odds that an American company developed its own e-cigar, manufactures it in America -- and it ends up looking exactly like a Chinese product? Great minds would never agree to this extent!

I don't get it. I really don't. Something is not right in the e-smoking world when every device looks exactly, precisely, like every other device. They all appear to have a single manufacturer. Only the price varies.

And if nJoy is superior inside, how can that be when the outside is a fingerprint of a Chinese product? I want a whistleblower inside this new business. Something is just not right.

 

[fitriidayu]

3 days = tomorrow ! wahooo !

 

[Oliver]

Hey Bob,

Yeah I'd wondered that too, and I'm inclined to agree with what Mark said. It is all rather odd, especially with claims of patents etc, but had they bought a license off Ruyan, say, who claim worldwide patent ownership, might that explain things?

I don't really know: the world of manufacture, patents etc is rather out of my realm of knowledge. Still think the Njoy is tops though!

Take care,

SJ

 

[TropicalBob]

There are two easy ways to produce e-smoking devices:

(1) Brand a generic product as your own. That's done, and anyone can look at the Chinese sites that offer to put any company's name on an e-smoking product. You could be selling "Smokey Joe Mini Cigs" in a week.

(2) License patents to create your own product from existing plans. By the way, E-Cig claims to own patents for two e-smoking breakthroughs. I know Ruyan claims patents on some aspects, as well. But those are the only two companies that I'm sure manufacture the products they sell.

If nJoy chose option 1, then it's no better than any other generic product. But users in this forum think it is. So that leaves us to consider option 2. Indeed, nJoy on its Web site says it has contracted manufacturing with another Scottsdale company to make the products. Why? How does that make economic sense? It's pretty much a truth that America can't make electronic products as cheaply as they can be made in Asia, particularly China. Why not choose option 1 and add your desired profit to the cost? Why reinvent a more expensive wheel?

So I'm still puzzled. Does nJoy make its own products -- in America? How can they be better than the patents permit?

I know we'll find out someday, somehow.

 

[Meltrex]

After all the money and time I've spent ordering samples and researching manufacturers. There are no USA manufacturers of Electronic Cigarette Devices. Least that I can find. All companies selling e-cigs and such (least in USA) are just resellers and are buying them wholesale directly from manufacturers or trading companies out of the country. I myself will be reselling devices that are purchased overseas. The e-cigarettes that I will be carrying are of good quality and perform quite well (least within the 2 weeks of testing so far). Hope to have my new business and website completed before to long. I'll post in the suppliers section when I'm finally up and running.

Njoy may or may not be reselling ecigs bought from wholesale or have patents pending. One thing to keep in mind, you can buy with confidence since they offer ( 30 day money back guarantee, 1 year warranty, etc.. etc..) I myself have nothing negative to say about their company. Most people on here that have posted have nothing but positive remarks, so they must be doing something right.. right?? Even if they are just reselling.

Tb, your right.. you can brand your own generic ecig and have "Smokey Joe Mini Cigs" if you wanted, but not in a week... I think it takes up to 3 weeks

 

[EricD]

regarding patents. Though ruyan has a patent doesn't mean squat over in U.S. Unless they apply for a foreign patent to the u.s. there is not much they can do to stop njoy or any other firm from making, even patenting the same product. Of course, i'm not a lawyer, but I have taken patent law. Perhaps, if ruyan or e-cig apply for a patent in the u.s. they may be able to void a pending patent application by domestic firm, but that all depends on the nuance of patent law that sucks to look at. Basically, all i'm saying is that it is possible that njoy manufactures domestically and is using the patented technology or even trying to patent the same tech here. From what I understand, ruyan and e-cig have patents. Unless those patents are filed in the U.S. as well, or patented on some international basis, nothing stops domestic firms from using the tech without a license. I am assuming, for the most part, that ruyan and e-cig have china patents and ruyan holding some in other european countries as well. There may be risk in the longer term for the "patent infringers", but not unless ruyan or e-cig file a claim and can demonstrate certain elements for infringing activity, which might I add, is not intuitive to figure out. You have to look at the letter of the law to figure out. Personally, I'd rather stick a spoon in my eye.

 

[TropicalBob]

Thanks Meltrex for the insight I was looking for. And best of luck with your new venture. If I have future e-smoking needs, you will be The Man.

P.S. I'm eagerly awaiting your take on the Ruyan disposable cigar!

 

[EricD]

yeah mel, whats up on that throwaway.... come on... Webcam time huh? Ok.. righto bye now. :?