Now that comment confuses me. If they are the same design, then wouldn't you have the same issues you are trying to avoid with the BMF?
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Now that comment confuses me. If they are the same design, then wouldn't you have the same issues you are trying to avoid with the BMF?
I think there must have been a run of bad cartos, because out of 25 I've had, none have been 'rancid' or in any way nasty right out of the box. It (mostly) seems to be people buying the blanks that have issues, although I would have to think the blanks go through the same manufacturing processes that the pre-filled do, minus the step to fill them.
I'm trying the riv4l's cartos. If they are slightly lower-performance, so be it. Anything to stay off the analogs. Tonight I set the Bloog cartos aside and tried to go back to my eGo passthrough with the same juice I'm re-filling the Bloog with...not good at all. Nasty-tasting. I tried three different attys, all recently cleaned. Nope. Gross.
I'm trying the riv4l's cartos. If they are slightly lower-performance, so be it. Anything to stay off the analogs. Tonight I set the Bloog cartos aside and tried to go back to my eGo passthrough with the same juice I'm re-filling the Bloog with...not good at all. Nasty-tasting. I tried three different attys, all recently cleaned. Nope. Gross.
I was a 3PAD smoker for many years. I had to quit smoking because I just couldn't breath any more. My lungs should be good and numb and yet these are closing up my chest worse then the smokes. At first it was only after I had used them for a couple of days but over time the reaction has come on sooner with each use. I know it's not the PG because that's all I've ever used and am still using. I really liked them so I do hope it gets worked out but for now I'm going back to my old ones.
But it's strange to me that you are having that reaction, both of you. I smoked for decades. Literally. And I never had any "chest tightening" or anything from BMF cartos. In fact, I wake up now without any coughing, I have more energy, climbing stairs at work if far easier than it used to be...that's why I say there must have been a 'bad' run of cartos. I've never experienced any of the symptoms you're describing, and I think not many others have either or it would be a major topic in this sub-forum.
Bloog wasn't my first, I haven't had any issues with the other that i was using besides the dry throat and frog in my throat thing. I was filling the Bloog carts with juice I'd already been using and am still using so I'm sure it's not the juice. I had the same problems with the prefilled also.
They are apparently very similar, but not the same. The problem is they appear to be out of stock almost everywhere, except some ugly orange ones I found at a hole in the wall store.
I too have smoke (like a chimney) for years, the chest tightness goes away once I stop using the cartos. Most of the time it's better the next morning but then comes back when I use them again. I had 15 blanks and all went bad right from go or after an hour or so of use. The prefilled were fine at first but now I'm having the same chest tightness with them. That's what makes me think it might be that I'm just more sensitive to them, kind of like how an allergic reaction comes on quicker each time your exposed.
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I have some that are like the Bloog carts that I got from my local smoke shop. They don't fit the Bloog because the threads are different but the insides are the same, I think they might be higher resistance though. I've never gotten that burnt taste from them nor any breathing problems. I don't use them much any more because they only come in tobacco flavor.
As previously inquired, my only experience is with 3 packs of blanks. I'll agree it very well could be a really bad run. I started with wows and my chest was very airy, more energy, just like you say. The problem is the wows are hard to drag on and tend to burn up quick, but it's a burnt cardboard taste, not the acidic and/or foul taste these cartos are exhibiting. However, if you get a good bloog carto, it's heaven...
You told us what you were told. And Chris probably did tell them. And they chose to keep avoiding us. Thanks for trying.
How long do you think it will take you to get to your destination?
For those not noticing problems: do you regularly exhale through your nose? I have problematic sinuses and decongestants don't work very well for me. However, vaping a good carto and exhaling via my nose will clear them out completely! It's amazing.
I bring this up because I'm now noticing that my nose knows when there's a problem developing. If vaping doesn't open my sinuses, or causes them to inflame, then the carto has a problem whether I can taste it or not. It's not long before a nose exhale has a sting to it. The problem takes a lot longer to notice when exhaling via the mouth. The flavor starts to taste off, then eventually makes your chest tight or at least not airy. By that point, if you exhale via your nose it usually feels like acid.
Out of the box, 4 of 15 were wickedly acidic (on all different juices) even when not exhaling via the nose. I've learned to reverse puff a new carto (blow through battery) and waft the vapor. You can smell the burn. For those that have a little burn, sometimes puffing like that makes them work, at least for awhile. It's a lost cause if it starts to become acidic. You might get 5-10 puffs off a fill before it's acid city again. It's just masking the problem because your lungs don't like the vapor even if it tastes great.
The problem I "fixed" by removing the adhesive is the foul taste. These don't tend to have the tell-a-tale nose sting. They start to lose flavor and become bland. Eventually they make your chest tighten and nose congest like a cold is setting in. Keep going for another day or two, and the remaining flavor is overpowered by a really foul taste. Unlike the acidic one that can't be vaped, it's vapable but it's nasty and makes you feel rotten.
I bring this up because I'm now noticing that my nose knows when there's a problem developing. If vaping doesn't open my sinuses, or causes them to inflame, then the carto has a problem whether I can taste it or not. It's not long before a nose exhale has a sting to it. The problem takes a lot longer to notice when exhaling via the mouth. The flavor starts to taste off, then eventually makes your chest tight or at least not airy. By that point, if you exhale via your nose it usually feels like acid.
Out of the box, 4 of 15 were wickedly acidic (on all different juices) even when not exhaling via the nose. I've learned to reverse puff a new carto (blow through battery) and waft the vapor. You can smell the burn. For those that have a little burn, sometimes puffing like that makes them work, at least for awhile. It's a lost cause if it starts to become acidic. You might get 5-10 puffs off a fill before it's acid city again. It's just masking the problem because your lungs don't like the vapor even if it tastes great.
The problem I "fixed" by removing the adhesive is the foul taste. These don't tend to have the tell-a-tale nose sting. They start to lose flavor and become bland. Eventually they make your chest tighten and nose congest like a cold is setting in. Keep going for another day or two, and the remaining flavor is overpowered by a really foul taste. Unlike the acidic one that can't be vaped, it's vapable but it's nasty and makes you feel rotten.
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Then i think its very silly to keep using them and testing them, when there is other horiz cartos that NEVER act like that.. Exact same high level of performance... but hey, im getting use to beeing ignored...... all the pm's tell me im not the only one thinking these thoughts.. amazing how people are scared to write what they think.... Im hanging around to see what'll happen when someone does come back.......
Someone who has either only tried one thing or only have been vapin a short time, isnt the best to test these things... My dad vaped his first carto scorched and thought it tasted fine... Like over 24 hours without a refill.. eu.. forgive me if im mistaken and you are not new to vaping.. I felt fantastic the first 2 months, no matter what i vaped, but having tried alot of diff things, now i fell some give me tight chest, or other ´things... In the beginning my system was so wrecked from smoking, i couldnt detect the bad in some of the diff thing i tried.
Yes, not exactly the same ones, but they also have the horizontal coil. MichelleDen has more experience with them.
You can also get the exact same ones as BMF from a different supplier FYI...
yes and am i the only one that thinks it a TAD bit odd they went out of stock, almost right about when the bloog came out... is the plot thicker than first expected? Or is it just as the vendors say, that kanger is a pest to deal with, and veery slow to get orders out? I dunno, but its starting to feel like a good novel.. haha
No, but maybe now some will see things from the other side. Even with your wonderful experience and communications, you just experienced the same thing (albeit to a lesser extent) than what some of us are going through.
Agreed 1000%. But after my initial post and the response, I can understand it a little.
No, you are not alone. Where there is smoke there is fire. I think there is more to this story.
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