No Love For Genesis Tanks Now That KFLs Are So Popular?

[Annie56]

Pizza2Me, just make sure your wraps are tight enough. My lower wraps sagged after about a days worth of use. My 32 g parallels on my hybrids are still chuffing along pretty good, tho!!

For some reason, i find 28g alot more difficult to use, than 32g. I anneal the wire before wrapping, but i find that when i start to pulse the coil, the wraps expand, and i wind up with gaps, which i cannot always see. Dry fire looks spot on--then when i add juice, it all goes to hell in a handbasket, because of a gap between wick and coil, that i did not catch.

I have alot to do this month, so i went with a basic build on the Dids. 4/3 28g. Made the coil on the wick, torched. Installed the wick and coil in my Did. Hooked up top lead. Held tension @ the neg lead. Briefly torched the coil on the atty, after fixing up my wraps. vaping pretty nice @1.0Ω. Good, cos im not gonna have any time to rebuild . Good luck with your parallels, Glad u like it!!


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[WattWick]

Do you have a link to a video or pictorial on mesh on a kayfun? I have mesh working great on Taifuns but haven't seen it on a Kayfun and didn't think you could get it to bend down and lay right.

I love the build it and forget it for a looooong time with SS mesh

If you cut mesh on the diagonal you can easily bend it without it kinking. It is a bit wasteful, tho. I rolled mine around 26 awg kanthal to give it some rigidity.

 

[donwuan]

If aga t's are considered genesis style i had no luck with mine. Lit a candle when i was working out hot legs. Perfect micro coil withot overlapping and it kept catching fire.

Took that same coil andworked perfectly in my kayfun clone for a week. Will try again as i hate to waste a tank.

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[pizza2me]

Thanks again Annie and watt. Now that you mention it I do remember reading about rolling diagonally for dippers so they're flexible.

Donwuan... If it is catching fire there is juice, or something, left in the mesh. Just let it burn it off

 

[Glenn_K]

I think you nailed it in terms of one of the big problems learning how to do genny builds -- sometimes I get a coil burning perfectly, but then it goes to hell once I add e-liquid.

I have a hunch that this could be due either to an unevenly rolled wick than isn't secure in the wick hole, and/or to inconsistent tension in the coil, i.e. pulling it too tight at the top when connecting to the positive terminal.

The more practice I get, the better it seems to be (not counting the RSST, which was pretty easy to build right from the start).

-- Glenn

Pizza2Me, just make sure your wraps are tight enough. My lower wraps sagged after about a days worth of use. My 32 g parallels on my hybrids are still chuffing along pretty good, tho!!

For some reason, i find 28g alot more difficult to use, than 32g. I anneal the wire before wrapping, but i find that when i start to pulse the coil, the wraps expand, and i wind up with gaps, which i cannot always see. Dry fire looks spot on--then when i add juice, it all goes to hell in a handbasket, because of a gap between wick and coil, that i did not catch.

I have alot to do this month, so i went with a basic build on the Dids. 4/3 28g. Made the coil on the wick, torched. Installed the wick and coil in my Did. Hooked up top lead. Held tension @ the neg lead. Briefly torched the coil on the atty, after fixing up my wraps. Vaping pretty nice @1.0Ω. Good, cos im not gonna have any time to rebuild . Good luck with your parallels, Glad u like it!!


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[scrappy]

I think you nailed it in terms of one of the big problems learning how to do genny builds -- sometimes I get a coil burning perfectly, but then it goes to hell once I add e-liquid.

I have a hunch that this could be due either to an unevenly rolled wick than isn't secure in the wick hole, and/or to inconsistent tension in the coil, i.e. pulling it too tight at the top when connecting to the positive terminal.

The more practice I get, the better it seems to be (not counting the RSST, which was pretty easy to build right from the start).

-- Glenn

I think this problem is attributed to leg length. Put some juice on your wick then fire it for a while. If the legs start glowing before the coil does then that's your problem.

If you have to use long legs then there's a few work arounds. First and the biggest pita is nr wire. If you're using parallel coils you can twist the legs but the coil might distort. But my preferred way is to wrap the legs with a small amount of cotton. This works with mesh too.

But the best way of solving this is to have your legs as short as possible.

 

[horton]

How about some silica on the legs instead of cotton? Just curious.... have not preference, but would like to know my options... TIA

 

[Myk]

I think this problem is attributed to leg length. Put some juice on your wick then fire it for a while. If the legs start glowing before the coil does then that's your problem.

If you have to use long legs then there's a few work arounds. First and the biggest pita is nr wire. If you're using parallel coils you can twist the legs but the coil might distort. But my preferred way is to wrap the legs with a small amount of cotton. This works with mesh too.

But the best way of solving this is to have your legs as short as possible.

Make your wire a little long, take the end after it's trapped under the positive around and give a wrap or two around the leg near the wick. Seems to do the same as having a washer for me.

 

[scrappy]

How about some silica on the legs instead of cotton? Just curious.... have not preference, but would like to know my options... TIA

I don't see why it wouldn't work. The point is just to keep the legs cooler than the coil.

 

[SkvLTD]

I think this problem is attributed to leg length. Put some juice on your wick then fire it for a while. If the legs start glowing before the coil does then that's your problem.

If you have to use long legs then there's a few work arounds. First and the biggest pita is nr wire. If you're using parallel coils you can twist the legs but the coil might distort. But my preferred way is to wrap the legs with a small amount of cotton. This works with mesh too.

But the best way of solving this is to have your legs as short as possible.

Not always though. I'm finding that if both legs are loose and start glowing before the rest of the coil, that means everything is working right. Coil has juice to cool it down, legs don't. Key is balance. If only 1 leg is glowing, there's probably a hot spot under it, and etc.

In fact, I'm finding that Kayfuns like having loose legs and tight middles.

 

[Glenn_K]

Thanks for the tips, i'll try them out. I have no problem doing builds on an RSST and AC9, but my Siam Cobra is killing me. I've had it for two months, and I still have trouble doing good builds consistently. The main problem is the top loop of the coil (4 wraps with either 30, 32 or 36 gauge Kanthol) -- that's where I get my hotspots over and over again.

I can adjust the loop to get it right, but several hours later when I take another vape on this device, once again that top loop will be glowing much brighter than the others (and sometimes showing those super bright pinpoints), making the vape awful. I wonder whether this problem is due to having the top leg too tight (making the top loop sort of cut into the wick). Can you share your thoughts on this, Scrappy?

So why I don't just toss the Cobra into a river and just use other gennies (sometimes i'm tempted to do this)? The thing is, it gives the best vape I've ever had. Even with only a half-decent build, flavor and vapor output are better than anything else I've tried.

-- Glenn

I think this problem is attributed to leg length. Put some juice on your wick then fire it for a while. If the legs start glowing before the coil does then that's your problem.

If you have to use long legs then there's a few work arounds. First and the biggest pita is nr wire. If you're using parallel coils you can twist the legs but the coil might distort. But my preferred way is to wrap the legs with a small amount of cotton. This works with mesh too.

But the best way of solving this is to have your legs as short as possible.

 

[scrappy]

Thanks for the tips, i'll try them out. I have no problem doing builds on an RSST and AC9, but my Siam Cobra is killing me. I've had it for two months, and I still have trouble doing good builds consistently. The main problem is the top loop of the coil (4 wraps with either 30, 32 or 36 gauge Kanthol) -- that's where I get my hotspots over and over again.

I can adjust the loop to get it right, but several hours later when I take another vape on this device, once again that top loop will be glowing much brighter than the others (and sometimes showing those super bright pinpoints), making the vape awful. I wonder whether this problem is due to having the top leg too tight (making the top loop sort of cut into the wick). Can you share your thoughts on this, Scrappy?

So why I don't just toss the Cobra into a river and just use other gennies (sometimes i'm tempted to do this)? The thing is, it gives the best vape I've ever had. Even with only a half-decent build, flavor and vapor output are better than anything else I've tried.

-- Glenn

That problem is from uneven tension when wrapping your coil and/or too much gap between coils. If you're using micro-coils then it's either the tension again, or you're wrapping them at too much of an angle. Also, don't do any pulling on the legs after you wrap the coils. Every time I've done that, I end up with a loop or two that's tighter than the rest.

You can also screw up the tension on your coils if you're not gentle when removing whatever tool you wrapped on.

 

[dice57]

Thing about genies, is that they are one of the hardest rba's to master, and most are not good for on the go. I do use SS mesh in some of my builds, once broke in they are quite the performer, but I only mess with true genies every now and then.

 

[horton]

gennies stay home and kayfuns go out and about generally. A great working genny is hard to beat far as I am concerned, but did I mention that I have a rather strong opinion about this subject?

 

[Annie56]

Thanks for the tips, i'll try them out. I have no problem doing builds on an RSST and AC9, but my Siam Cobra is killing me. I've had it for two months, and I still have trouble doing good builds consistently. The main problem is the top loop of the coil (4 wraps with either 30, 32 or 36 gauge Kanthol) -- that's where I get my hotspots over and over again.

I can adjust the loop to get it right, but several hours later when I take another vape on this device, once again that top loop will be glowing much brighter than the others (and sometimes showing those super bright pinpoints), making the vape awful. I wonder whether this problem is due to having the top leg too tight (making the top loop sort of cut into the wick). Can you share your thoughts on this, Scrappy?

So why I don't just toss the Cobra into a river and just use other gennies (sometimes i'm tempted to do this)? The thing is, it gives the best vape I've ever had. Even with only a half-decent build, flavor and vapor output are better than anything else I've tried.

-- Glenn

Don't toss that Cobra just yet. I started doing something, after i got to messing about with ribbon kanthal. The toughest part, for me, is getting the top lead attach, esp with jam nuts, which the Did, Aga, Cobra, and other gennies utilize as the fasteners. So I do this first. (this works w round wire too.)For ribbon, I make about a 45 degree crimp in the wire, so it makes a 'v'. Hook my 'v' on the top post. Secure the jam nuts /c needlenose. For round wire. hook around and secure jam nuts. Rotate the top nut clockwise till lead is centered over wick hole where i want it.

Put wick into wick hole. I use straw meshes rolled onto an Allen key.

'Sew' your wire around the wick to desired amount of winds. Holding even tension. Even up wraps. Secure neg lead. Clip top leads, but not the neg one. Pulse to even out hot spots/legs. If gaps between wick and coil occur, undo neg lead, smooth out gaps with a screwdriver head, pulse again, until coil lights up perfectly. You can also do a little nudge of the top jam nut clockwise, or the second jam nut counter, if the top wrap tension is off alittle.

That dumb top wrap hot leg isnt a problem for me, anymore. Backwards way of wrapping, i know. But it really works for me. Hope I could help


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[Drizzledog]

For certain juices, I love my kracken clone. I don't have problems with hot spots until the juice level runs low and wicking decreases. A simple tip of the atty solves this until the tank is gone.

It's a different vape than a kayfun. Depends on your preference, I like them both.

 

[Myk]

So what's the reason some people say gennies leak and others don't have that problem?
Besides the obvious leaving the fill hole unplugged or being a dual.

I know my first builds would leak a little if laid down over night.
Later builds choked off and wouldn't wick.
Is it a happy medium between the wick being too loose and too tight?

 

[horton]

So what's the reason some people say gennies leak and others don't have that problem?
Besides the obvious leaving the fill hole unplugged or being a dual.

I know my first builds would leak a little if laid down over night.
Later builds choked off and wouldn't wick.
Is it a happy medium between the wick being too loose and too tight?

No matter how hard I tried, my genny wicks had a "lumen" and when laid on their side would leak through it. I did try wrapping a little silica in a wick one time and that really slowed down the leaking, but not enough to leave the genny on its side for a long time.

 

[scrappy]

So what's the reason some people say gennies leak and others don't have that problem?
Besides the obvious leaving the fill hole unplugged or being a dual.

I know my first builds would leak a little if laid down over night.
Later builds choked off and wouldn't wick.
Is it a happy medium between the wick being too loose and too tight?

One problem is different wick hole diameters. For example, if you really like using an 18g needle and your wick hole is larger than that it's hard to wick it well. It's even harder with mesh.

 

[Myk]

No matter how hard I tried, my genny wicks had a "lumen" and when laid on their side would leak through it. I did try wrapping a little silica in a wick one time and that really slowed down the leaking, but not enough to leave the genny on its side for a long time.

But I always wrap straw mesh.
Originally if I tipped I'd drip out of my straw. Now they don't, air feeds down through the straw and the mesh gets wet.

Of course if I pull the fill plug to allow air in or it's a dual that allows air in it's a different story.