But nobody sells nic solutions, yet alone juices that are 1mg/ml. Is it a case of officials ignorant about what and how they tax?
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If it is diluted, it is taxed accordingly. And you can buy 1000mg/mL. Well you and I can't, but licensed manufactures can. I usually purchase mine at 100mg/mL. So I assume that will be $300 per liter in taxes. Here is one place one can get pure nic.
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Outrageous Nicotine Tax Bill Passes House Committee
"The bill, which bases the tax on nicotine content rather than e-liquid volume, proposes a tax of $50.33 per 1,810 milligrams of nicotine, which breaks down to 2.78 dollars per mg."
2.78/mg x100mg/my x 1000ml/L=$2780/L
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From what I've gathered part of the taxation of cigarettes in the USA goes towards this:
https://www.benefits.gov/benefit/607
Now ok,as an ex smoker i know how bad it is,so sure over tax cigarettes...in this case you kill 2 birds with one stone,people quit smoking and you help people with the State Children's Health Insurance Program.
(not sure where the rest of the income from taxes on cigarettes goes,they can't really say it goes towards the bad effects of smoking and that they need it for the increase in medical costs...since you still gotta pay for them so huh?¿)
But...vaping related products over taxed because....why exactly?
It has already been proved that it's not in the same group as cigarettes when it comes to bad secondary effects,so they will still over tax the hell out of it?
Hell even boxed Mac and cheese is worse than vaping,so why not over tax that? why not Mountain Dew? i mean they both contribute to obesity which if we consider it is way worst that vaping when it comes to long term physical effects.
And why not coffee? i mean it's basically the same thing,yeah yeah i know it isn't but they could both be put in the same group so why not over tax coffee?
Not saying they should I'm just saying this if I'm following their own train of logic...
Personally and just speaking for my country (Spain) if they ever decide to over tax vape related products/ingredients i would protest the heck out of it.
So far when it comes to cigarettes and the taxes people pay when they buy a pack the government has said that it helps two fold,one to make up for all the illnesses of smokers and two to help people quit smoking....
FINE!! i can understand that.
We have free health care here (well free,is not really true,it is paid with taxes,each paycheck you get every month has a certain amount taken for this purpose) so knowing that smoking does make people sick in various ways it is understandable that smokers make up for it with taxes on every pack of cigarettes they buy...that sounds logical to me.
But if they ever decide to over tax any vaping related product or ingredient what will their excuse be?
There is no extra medical costs that have to be covered because someone vapes...sooo?
In the case that the over taxation occurs here in Spain (it will happen,not a matter of if it will or not happen...just a matter of time) I'm dying to find out their reasons for over taxing,can't wait to see what lame BS they come up with.
https://www.benefits.gov/benefit/607
Now ok,as an ex smoker i know how bad it is,so sure over tax cigarettes...in this case you kill 2 birds with one stone,people quit smoking and you help people with the State Children's Health Insurance Program.
(not sure where the rest of the income from taxes on cigarettes goes,they can't really say it goes towards the bad effects of smoking and that they need it for the increase in medical costs...since you still gotta pay for them so huh?¿)
But...vaping related products over taxed because....why exactly?
It has already been proved that it's not in the same group as cigarettes when it comes to bad secondary effects,so they will still over tax the hell out of it?
Hell even boxed Mac and cheese is worse than vaping,so why not over tax that? why not Mountain Dew? i mean they both contribute to obesity which if we consider it is way worst that vaping when it comes to long term physical effects.
And why not coffee? i mean it's basically the same thing,yeah yeah i know it isn't but they could both be put in the same group so why not over tax coffee?
Not saying they should I'm just saying this if I'm following their own train of logic...
Personally and just speaking for my country (Spain) if they ever decide to over tax vape related products/ingredients i would protest the heck out of it.
So far when it comes to cigarettes and the taxes people pay when they buy a pack the government has said that it helps two fold,one to make up for all the illnesses of smokers and two to help people quit smoking....
FINE!! i can understand that.
We have free health care here (well free,is not really true,it is paid with taxes,each paycheck you get every month has a certain amount taken for this purpose) so knowing that smoking does make people sick in various ways it is understandable that smokers make up for it with taxes on every pack of cigarettes they buy...that sounds logical to me.
But if they ever decide to over tax any vaping related product or ingredient what will their excuse be?
There is no extra medical costs that have to be covered because someone vapes...sooo?
In the case that the over taxation occurs here in Spain (it will happen,not a matter of if it will or not happen...just a matter of time) I'm dying to find out their reasons for over taxing,can't wait to see what lame BS they come up with.
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Ok I got you now, you used 100mg/ml solution to calculate that. You initially wrote
Outrageous Nicotine Tax Bill Passes House Committee
"The bill, which bases the tax on nicotine content rather than e-liquid volume, proposes a tax of $50.33 per 1,810 milligrams of nicotine, which breaks down to 2.78 cents per mg."
2.78/mg x100mg/my x 1000ml/L=$2780/L
that got me confused, I thought you meant 2.8 dollarnot cent.
That's insane tax btw, it's not to regulate, it is aimed to crush the vaping industry! Wow! If you consider normal cigarettes, and the amount of nicotine they contain, this is just crazy!
Probably because neither of these products affects the big tobacco and government's wallet with it's mere existence.
How Tobacco Bonds Work, and What Can Go Wrong — ProPublica
Funny how tobacco bonds are NEVER even mentioned in relation to vaping in the mainstream media. Never
Yep,totally agree with what you said.
Case in point,when the corona hit us in Spain and all stores were closed BY LAW guess what establishment was allowed to be open on the moronic premise that people needed stamps and official documents?
The Estanco (Cigarette shop,like a liquor store in the Us basically),while vaping shops had to remain closed.
But yeah we all know why,vaping shops don't give the government that sweet tax money.
Sad and pathetic in equal parts...for now vaping hasn't been hit hard like in the USA but it's just a matter of time.
It's hardly ever about the health, it's usually about the money. Many of the governments worldwide don't give a damn about public health.
No. It would be almost 3000 dollars for the liter of 100mg/ml, 2780 dollars to be precise. It's based on the total mg of nic not the volume or the concentration. That pure nic you posted would be taxed at $27,800 for a liter.
hmmm.
$50.33 per 1,810mg is not $2.78 per mg. If you consider $/1ml assuming concentrate in question is 100mg/ml then that value 2.78$ is correct per ml.
You are right. That figure was a quote from the article, not my own math.
.0278 x 100mg/ml x 1000ml/L =$2780/L
Yeah I'm not saying folks should not do it, and I am ALSO not saying it shouldn't be done. However, the amount of nic needed is fairly insurmountable (at my age) and I am glad I didn't have to do it all at once and in a rush and thank GOD for heartland vapes.
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Butterscotch Reserve is super good with the right coil(s). As you get a burst of different flavor notes. Although it is also super bad for vapor's tongue. Nothing will taste right for the rest of the day. So be careful vaping this one.
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Has the flavour ban in NY held up? Or isn’t that something they have dropped? I can’t get my head round their thought process here! Must of the US hasn’t legalised cannabis yet you can’t vape strawberry juice!
Hard to fight the ninth richest nut bag in the world on a mission:
"Michael R. Bloomberg... is now stepping into the campaign to combat vaping, announcing a $160 million push to ban flavored e-cigarettes."
Vote everyone out and push for campaign finance reform.
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