No need to Vape, Just eat Fruit & Veg
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Sorry, but I beg to differ.
Very conveniently, in the ANTZ's book, Pharma NRT's are not considered tobacco products - and unlike our liquids, ALL of them have nicotine.
But they rushed to demonize e-cigs as a new "tobacco product", when there's no tobacco matter in there (unlike Snus, for example), and there even might be *no* nicotine in there. Are they being "honest" with us?
The simple fact that nicotine is extracted from tobacco *today*, only because it is *cheaper* that way, should not be enough to classify something as a "tobacco" product. There *are* other sources in Nature, and someday, it might be cheaper to make it in a lab.
Exactly like it happened with *insulin*.
Even when it was *extracted* from the pancreas of pigs and oxen, (until the mid 80's), insulin was never considered a "pork product", like ham or bacon. That would be silly, since healthy humans *also* produce it. And because there were other known sources, and other predictable methods of production in the future - today, it's bioengineered in a lab.
A "tobacco product" *should* have plant matter in it to be considered as such. No matter how Science evolves, we'll *always* need tobacco to produce cigarettes and Snus, for example. That *might* not be true in the future, for e-cigs and NRT's alike.
Think about coffe, for example. Is it a coffe product? Sure. I do *need* coffe to make a cup of coffe. Does it have caffeine? Yes, it does.
How about decaf? Is it a coffe product? Sure. How on Earth would I be able mo make decaf without coffe beans?
However, does it have *caffeine*? Well, as the name implies... no.
How about black tea? Does it have caffeine? Sure. Do I need coffe to make a cup of black tea? No.
How about Red Bull, or NRG? Do they have caffeine? Yep. Are they considered coffe products? Tea products? "Cottea" producs?
None of the above. They are simply considered soft drinks with added caffeine.
We should not fall under the ANTZ's biased rethoric, because they are the ones NOT being honest. They have yet to make up their minds: either e-cigs AND Pharma NRT's are to be considered "tobacco products" (Putting "respectable" Pharma NRT's under the all-too-negative "tobacco stigma" as well), or they must be BOTH considered "nicotine-containing, non-tobacco products", because there's no tobacco plant matter in there - and therefore, BOTH of those products *might* be produced differently in the future.
We are specifically discussing nicotine used in ejuice.
Refrain from analogies as they do not apply and only serve to distract from the facts and truth of the matter.
Nicotine can be synthesized and found in other plants however none of these are found in commercially sold ejuice.
Let's not argue hypotheticals.
You will never convince regulators that nicotine extracted from tobacco isn't a tobacco product.
You would need to present the juice with synthesized nic or vegetable nic.
It probably wouldn't be considered a tobacco product.
However, it would face a whole new set of regulations.
It would then be regulated as a controlled substance, facing more hurdles and expenses than as a tobacco product...
Funny. I goog'd Niacin (nicotonic acid,nicotine,B3) and cholesterol and it says it's in animals, not plants??
"Niacin, also known as “nicotinic acid,” is found in red meat, chicken, turkey, beans, and grains. It is a required nutrient and a member of the B vitamin family."
http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2007/3/atd/Page-01
"Niacin, also known as “nicotinic acid,” is found in red meat, chicken, turkey, beans, and grains. It is a required nutrient and a member of the B vitamin family."
http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2007/3/atd/Page-01
Truth is a vague concept. I'll buy the "truth" about ecigs needing a sin tax/ban/regulation-into-obscurity because of the origin of one possible ingredient - the day loaf is regulated/taxed/banned due to some loaves being sprinkled with poppy seeds.
It's all rhetorics and attaching negatively connotative words to the subject at hand. Call it legislative lube if you will.
Extract nicotine from eggplant or make it synthetically and it becomes a drug. Good luck thinking that will involve less regulation than it being considered a tobacco product...
Indeed, 1 billion ng = 1 g
And 1 million ng = 1 mg
It still his 10kg of eggplant for 1mg of nicotine. I count my nicotine in my ecig in mg not in g
Technically, the concept of viability does not include a prerequisite of profitability.
See: "Do-able". :?)
What's an eggplant cost, $2? So buy 100 lbs of eggplant, build a lab and extract enough e- liquid for 1 30ml bottle. Sounds doable...
Steve, as long as you are locked into the tunnel vision of economics you`ll never get around the mountain.
It's all about economics. People here cry about $20/30 ml e liquid...
Pharmaceutical manufacturers pay government regulatory agencies a crap-load of money every year to keep their smoking cessation products on the shelves and in the public eye. Anything related to vaping is somehow considered 'different'.
The only real difference is that vaping advocates don't have a crap-load of money to spend in order to get their way.
The solution is to fix the broken system that has made this possible. Pay close attention to how you vote, whether it's local, state or national.
The only real difference is that vaping advocates don't have a crap-load of money to spend in order to get their way.
The solution is to fix the broken system that has made this possible. Pay close attention to how you vote, whether it's local, state or national.
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