No need to Vape, Just eat Fruit & Veg
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Well, solar radiation is required for life. It's also the biggest cause of cancer. So I think it's safe to say that life causes death.
Andria
Life is a sexually transmitted disease. It is always fatal.
"I am on side of truth.
I would not fight on lying side."
Both sides (pro and con) are using deceptive tactics!
And you are responding to, "ONE of the 69 chemicals in tobacco products that are believed to cause cancer" ?
I wasnt trying to pick a fight here, I was pointing out some of the deception and resulting misconceptions on the subject, geez google it!
So I take it neither one of you actually read or comprehended my post? the Nicotine we use in our ejuice is unadulterated, and if I read and comprehend correctly, the Feds are trying to say that our unadulterated nicotine belongs under the same classification (TOBACCO PRODUCTS) as Cigarettes which if you read my post, "contain the 69 chemicals in tobacco products that are believed to cause cancer"!
So I wasted my time and will move on, good luck convincing people to take your side with that attitude guys, lol.
I believe that was the part being objected to, Disallowedword. And why I couldn't "like" that particular post, although most of the rest of it was right on.
Yes, this.. I find the entire thing very confusing, since apparently he wasn't saying what I thought he was saying, so now I have NO EARTHLY IDEA what he was saying.
Andria
Good eye! Guess I should read my own post
The two main things that irritate me is,
The Government feeding off of our cigarette addiction, and now attempting to feed off the other teet (the cure).
I started vaping in 2009, so in case there is any question, I am pro-vaping!
I feel alone with my mathematic replies in this thread but I kind of like mathematics so here it is again 
I still think it's 10kg of eggplants and not 1kg of eggplant, like someone suggested, that one need to eat to get 1mg of nicotine. Anybody care for a quick check? Not that it really matters, both 1kg and 10kg are a huge amount of eggplant
I still think it's 10kg of eggplants and not 1kg of eggplant, like someone suggested, that one need to eat to get 1mg of nicotine. Anybody care for a quick check? Not that it really matters, both 1kg and 10kg are a huge amount of eggplant
This exactly -- right on! First it's all, oooh smoking is evil nasty dirty blah blah blah blah we're going to TAX you addicts into compliance with our control-freak regime! So we finally find a REAL way to escape the nasty things with their ridiculous tax... AND NOW THEY WANT IN ON THAT TOO??????
SCREW 'EM AND THE HORSE THEY RODE UP ON!
VIVE LE REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!
Andria
Not that it really matters, both 1kg and 10kg are a huge amount of eggplant
A lifetime supply, practically speaking.
This guy I know was using protection, but it didn't work. He still got shot by the wife's husband..Well no reason to use protection any more...
OK. I will refrain from analogies this time. Those were only meant to show how silly *some* people sound when they talk about their own products of choice.
So, let's look at the facts, shall we?
"Nicotine can be synthesized and found in other plants however none of these are found in commercially sold ejuice" and "You would need to present the juice with synthesized nic or vegetable nic"
Fact number one: What is exactly the origin of the Pharma-grade nicotine used in Pharma NRT's? Tobacco.
Fact number two: Despite using nicotine extracted from tobacco, are those products considered "tobacco produts"? No. Because they are "clean", and "safe", and all that B.S. Pharma did not have to present "synthesized nic or vegetable nic"-based products to have them dissociated from the stigma of tobacco products.
For example, the fabled 2009 FDA's "nitrosamines report" basically proved that as far as nitrosamines are concerned, e-cigs were shown to be as safe as the Nicotrol inhaler. The levels of nitrosamines found in e-liquid ("Dangerous" in the case of e-cigs, but "safe" in the case of Nicotrol) were similar because the same Pharma-grade nicotine was being used in both cases.
One is a "clean", "safe" Pharma product. The other is a nasty "tobacco product". Go figure.
The same biased double standards some of us use when talking about our our own products.
Fact number three: "You will never convince regulators that nicotine extracted from tobacco isn't a tobacco product". Forget about legislators. If not even *vapers*, who deal with vaping products in a daily basis, cannot be convinced that there is a double standard here (apparently, it is "dishonest" to state our vaping produts are *not* tobacco products), then of course I will never convince legistators, lobbyists and politicians (who have a horse in the race) otherwise.
We have been so beaten by the anti-smoking rethoric over the years as smokers, that we cannot even see how illogical we sound sometimes:
Pharma NRT's, despite ALWAYS having nicotine extracted from tobacco, are not evil tobacco products, because there's NO tobacco in there (unlike other safer forms of tobacco like Snus). There's nicotine, and nicotine alone.
E-cigarettes *must* be considered evil tobacco products at all costs, because they MIGHT have the *same* Pharma-grade nicotine (and nicotine alone) extracted from the *same* tobacco leaves. And stating otherwise is "not being honest with ourselves".
I guess anti-e-cig lobbyists simply love the "logic" some of us use. It makes their hard work soooooo much easier, doesn't it?
OK. I will refrain from analogies this time. Those were only meant to show how silly *some* people sound when they talk about their own products of choice.
So, let's look at the facts, shall we?
"Nicotine can be synthesized and found in other plants however none of these are found in commercially sold ejuice" and "You would need to present the juice with synthesized nic or vegetable nic"
Fact number one: What is exactly the origin of the Pharma-grade nicotine used in Pharma NRT's? Tobacco.
Fact number two: Despite using nicotine extracted from tobacco, are those products considered "tobacco produts"? No. Because they are "clean", and "safe", and all that B.S. Pharma did not have to present "synthesized nic or vegetable nic"-based products to have them dissociated from the stigma of tobacco products.
For example, the fabled 2009 FDA's "nitrosamines report" basically proved that as far as nitrosamines are concerned, e-cigs were shown to be as safe as the Nicotrol inhaler. The levels of nitrosamines found in e-liquid ("Dangerous" in the case of e-cigs, but "safe" in the case of Nicotrol) were similar because the same Pharma-grade nicotine was being used in both cases.
One is a "clean", "safe" Pharma product. The other is a nasty "tobacco product". Go figure.
The same biased double standards some of us use when talking about our our own products.
Fact number three: "You will never convince regulators that nicotine extracted from tobacco isn't a tobacco product". Forget about legislators. If not even *vapers*, who deal with vaping products in a daily basis, cannot be convinced that there is a double standard here (apparently, it is "dishonest" to state our vaping produts are *not* tobacco products), then of course I will never convince legistators, lobbyists and politicians (who have a horse in the race) otherwise.
We have been so beaten by the anti-smoking rethoric over the years as smokers, that we cannot even see how illogical we sound sometimes:
Pharma NRT's, despite ALWAYS having nicotine extracted from tobacco, are not evil tobacco products, because there's NO tobacco in there (unlike other safer forms of tobacco like Snus). There's nicotine, and nicotine alone.
E-cigarettes *must* be considered evil tobacco products at all costs, because they MIGHT have the *same* Pharma-grade nicotine (and nicotine alone) extracted from the *same* tobacco leaves. And stating otherwise is "not being honest with ourselves".
I guess anti-e-cig lobbyists simply love the "logic" some of us use. It makes their hard work soooooo much easier, doesn't it?
BRAVO!!! BRAVISSIMO!!!!
Andria
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