NO ONE MENTIONS THIS ~ Plz Read

[lopenator]

one of my favorite movies

 

[Katya]

Yea, not my favored channel but I watch Fox too. At least they have been sensible about why we don't need a ban. Given how many people have quit smoking thanks to vaping, and that indeed nobody has been reported ill until the recent THC cart scare, finally some sense.

Here's another video:

Vaping advocate says consumers are 'worried sick' Trump isn't on their side, may not deserve a second term

 

[r77r7r]

I, like many others on this forum use the Dark Theme for this forum. The color of your text on the dark background is impossible to read without manually highlighting all of the text. I would like to ask that you not use colored text like that in the future. Thanks.

I usually just put a finger on the text and hit Select All to read.

 

[Izan]

I usually just put a finger on the text and hit Select All to read.

IMO, Crayon colors should not be used by adults that wish to be taken seriously.
Don't even get me started on "comic sans".

Cheers
I

 

[DeloresRose]

Don't even get me started on "comic sans".

Cheers
I

Hey now, don’t knock the Comic Sans... it’s the only thing that helped me kick a decades-long Times New Roman habit.

 

[Toronnah]

"Plz Read"
Bugger off.

 

[DaveP]

This is extremely annoying & frustrating:

After around a DECADE of eCigs & vaping with no issues, for the FIRST TIME ~ and ONLY in the PAST FEW WEEKS of 2019 ~ have issues EVER been reported (in the media).

WHY are they NOT reporting that some people are doing things incorrectly, inappropriately, and sometimes including THC, or other substances in tanks, etc?? There's also the issue of COUNTERFEIT products being sold in the market.

"They" refers to the media & news, major networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and channels in Canada.

"They" are supposed to be investigative journalists who conduct research, not just blow ignorant & uneducated hot steam. I am extremely disappointed by some I always highly respected, like Sanjay Gupta, all the Cuomo's, and more. How do the latter profit from their disservice?!?

If NO ISSUES were ever reported in OVER TEN YEARS isn't all this SUDDEN, IMPRECISE, & INACCURATE hype, camouflaged as "reporting", biased and unfair?? Thanks!!

I've vaped and been an ECF member for ten years. I learned the safe way to do that from ECF info and from other members. During that time I don't remember anyone having a medical issue with vaping as it should be done. Now, we have people grabbing a vape pen and deciding to vape something that we all know is a dangerous substance and the news turns on vaping based on one uninformed teenager's debacle.

The story that has surfaced lately has cast a shadow on the vaping community. If a teenager stole his parents car, sideswiped numerous vehicles, and wrecked it on the expressway, would the news blame the car or the parents? Absolutely not. So, why do the media feel the need to tag vaping as the cause of these teens who are vaping illegal drugs in an oil base? We all know that's a dangerous thing to do. Oil is a dangerous thing to put in the lungs. We've known that since Vicks oil nose drop problems surfaced when i was a kid. Vicks had to change to a water soluble formula for the same problem. People were snorting oil base nose drops hard enough to get oil in the lungs.

 

[stols001]

Don't even get me started on "comic sans".

What is it about that font? I mean don't get me wrong I hate everything about it too, I'm just not sure why, exactly but it is ALL KINDS OF WRONG. Even the name.

Crayons can be useful for writing on walls sometimes. Sometimes Mr. A needs an urgent message.

What should never happen is that you leave your kid happily watching (OH I FORGET the show) with peanut butter and celery sticks and he decides to "paint" the couch instead of eat/watch TV..

That was a 45 minutes of peace that I deeply, deeply regretted later. I couldn't get mad at him even, he was so thrilled with his creativity.

It was not a leather couch. Fabric.

Anna

 

[bombastinator]

To answer your "Why?". Money, which brings power and influence, does the talking in political situations. Make no mistake, this is a political situation. BT pays for influence over government in order to survive, as do most industries. They happen to be stinking rich so they can outgun the vaping industry, history shows that they will continue to stop at nothing to win.

The media are the means to deliver the lie, fake news or whatever it takes to get that influence to reach further in order to win. Take a look at who owns the media, where their money comes from, who the owners cronies are.

So it's much more sinister than "bias", it's about control.

Simple really.

I’m not sure that line of reasoning is fully correct. Not wrong exactly, but not fully correct.

As usual, it’s complicated.

Motivations can be difficult to accurately attribute.
One has to look for the first point where information goes bad, and what information is being used to generate what information.
People can only work with the information they have, and human vision is limited. Give people false information they think false things. Give the informers false information they inform falsely.

Fault lies where informers or original acquirers of information are given full information but choose to distribute it falsely or when access to information is limited. When access is limited it bears to look at who controls that access and what they are doing with it.
The term “Fake” news implies deliberately fabricated. It attributes blame at the point of distribution. The news distributor may not necessarily be the actual faker though, and if they are they may not know they are. Bias is often invisible to the biased. News has a chain of processing. It can be influenced at many different points. It can be faked. The news distributor is not always the one doing the faking though.

 

[bombastinator]

What is it about that font? I mean don't get me wrong I hate everything about it too, I'm just not sure why, exactly but it is ALL KINDS OF WRONG. Even the name.

Crayons can be useful for writing on walls sometimes. Sometimes Mr. A needs an urgent message.

What should never happen is that you leave your kid happily watching (OH I FORGET the show) with peanut butter and celery sticks and he decides to "paint" the couch instead of eat/watch TV..

That was a 45 minutes of peace that I deeply, deeply regretted later. I couldn't get mad at him even, he was so thrilled with his creativity.

It was not a leather couch. Fabric.

Anna

I can actually answer that about comic sans. Fonts were a specialty of mine at one point long past.

The problem with comic sans was that it was designed to imitate handwriting in comic balloons. Short single sentences or sentence fragments only. It was never designed to be used as body copy.

Sans is short for sans serif. “Without serifs” serifs are those little feet on the bottom of some letters. The point of those little feet are to emphasize the line of text. Comic sans not only doesn’t have em but the letters do not line up or have their angles pointing in the same direction. It makes it very hard to read more than a few words in it. Brush script is another font famous for similar problems.

Many graphic professionals think both brushscript and comic sans should be removed from the language entirely as they do nothing but cause communication problems. I removed comic sans from my machine entirely so I never even saw the problem you did.

Comic sans nowadays is used by professionals only when they want someone to not read something.

 

[bombastinator]

What makes me laugh is why a lot of people, by default, swallow everything they hear in the news.

the problem I think is many years ago there were systems in place to make that a safer thing to do. Those systems are gone.

Funnier still are those who tell it, arrogantly assuming that they have some kind of control over those who listen.

often they do have that control.

They are clearly far more stupid than their audience.

So to me it's more about diagnosing the level of intelligence the audience has,

vague word there “intelligence” intelligence can be both ability to distinguish false information from truthful and amount of information itself aka “military intelligence” which is about information gathering.

rather than the actual news itself. That's the real headline. It's the nature of the response from the audience which interests me.

I've been keeping up with Boris.

who? Which Boris? It’s a not uncommon first name

Everytime he pops up i think "is this real". Did that guy in the hospital with the sick kid meet Boris at an ealier date to arrange this pre-emptive critisism ?.

Is Gina Miller someone who has been employed by Boris, again, for the porposes of pre-emptive critisism ?. There is absolutely nothing the Supreme Court can do about it in any case.

Pre-emptive critisism can be used to control or tame a much wider audience.

Was Theresa may just part of a bigger plan designed to explore all the possible variables of Brexit knowing she would fail in any case ?. Pre- emptively exhausting all possible alternative scenarios for leaving the EU apart from the so called no deal.

Is no deal really no deal ?.

Not making arrangements for border control around northern ireland doesn't mean the UK is leaving without any arrangements/deal in place. There are many moving parts to this. All the angles have been covered. All this adds up to a deal/arrangement for leaving the EU.

So when the media says Boris is going to break the law in order for the UK to leave the EU it simply isn't true. He's just not going to ask for an extension just because the remainers decided he should.

Prerarations have been made. They've been making them for over three years. There is no "crashing out" or leaving with a so called (by the media) "no deal". It's the Northern irish government who has to deal with their borders after our departure, not Westminster. If they don't like it then they should have another referendum. They decided to stay with the UK in their last referendum. So how about it !.

This whole entire circus has been created by the media. And none of it is true.

it’s been created by something at any rate. Media is both manipulative and manipulatable in several ways.

 

[fiddleshe]

I for one have been screaming it's not nicotine, it's been used safely since 2006. For some reason mainstream media isn't hearing me.

 

[bombastinator]

I for one have been screaming it's not nicotine, it's been used safely since 2006. For some reason mainstream media isn't hearing me.

Who have you been screaming to?

 

[fiddleshe]

Who have you been screaming to?

Mostly my phone

 

[bombastinator]

Mostly my phone

So people on the other end of the line? Or just the inanimate object?

 

[englishmick]

I’m not sure that line of reasoning is fully correct. Not wrong exactly, but not fully correct.

As usual, it’s complicated.

Motivations can be difficult to accurately attribute.
One has to look for the first point where information goes bad, and what information is being used to generate what information.
People can only work with the information they have, and human vision is limited. Give people false information they think false things. Give the informers false information they inform falsely.

Fault lies where informers or original acquirers of information are given full information but choose to distribute it falsely or when access to information is limited. When access is limited it bears to look at who controls that access and what they are doing with it.
The term “Fake” news implies deliberately fabricated. It attributes blame at the point of distribution. The news distributor may not necessarily be the actual faker though, and if they are they may not know they are. Bias is often invisible to the biased. News has a chain of processing. It can be influenced at many different points. It can be faked. The news distributor is not always the one doing the faking though.

Most newspapers are running on a skeleton crew these days. Chances are a lot of stories happen when the editor calls a reporter in and tells them to prepare a story on vaping for tomorrow's edition. So they spend an hour researching on the internet and call someone on their contact list for a couple of paragraphs of comment. I do think there are still some reporters around who do good honest work and are given the time and resources to do it right.

The difficult part is figuring out how to distinguish between the worthy and the unworthy sources.

TV "news" is a different story.

 

[fiddleshe]

So people on the other end of the line? Or just the inanimate object?

Both. Calling my senator, the president. Replying on news articles. Mostly just yelling at the phone itself.

 

[Dacholiday Dach]

Lots of people have been mentioning it. I’ve been looking about for a change and one I’ve seen is apparently there are a lot of online stores carrying MCE in their “bases” section. This didn’t used to be the case. MCE is basically refined palm oil. Something that should never ever be inhaled.

What is MCE?

 

[fiddleshe]

BTW my asthma is kicking in a little this morning. Just a wee bit tight. Found an inhaler that expired Feb 2014. Should I run to an ER and tell them I've been vaping?

 

[bombastinator]

Both. Calling my senator, the president. Replying on news articles. Mostly just yelling at the phone itself.

So not the people actually able to respond to the issue then.