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Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by stpeters, Mar 6, 2009.

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  1. stpeters

    stpeters Full Member

    Feb 24, 2009
    This may stir up a argument, but is it just me or are we (e-smokers) starting to sound like a bunch of stoners and .... addicts? (never been one, so not sure)

    I'm referring to the words used to name various aspects of smoking electronic cigarettes and cigars. Yeah, yeah - they are just words. But how you name things can greatly change how others perceive those things. This is starting to worry me due to the upcoming showdown between the fringe users (we are fringe, admit it) of electronic smoking devices and the general public. The one outcome I do not want is where e-juice is a controlled substance with cops busting in my doors late at night. :(

    For example: I am smoking en electronic cigarette, and someone curious comes up to me and asks "What the heck is that thing?". I could say "It's a personal vaporizer. I am vaping some of my favorite e-juice, you should try it!"

    At least to most people in America (may vary in other countries), this would be A BAD IDEA. Many would immediately draw a straight line in their head between me and that scary looking guy on the corner in a REALLY bad neighborhood. Might even get the cops called on me. "Hello police? This guy is sitting on his porch smoking some 'juice' or something from a vaporizer. He said it was 'vaping', whatever THAT means... you are going to send someone by to check? Thank you officer."

    Now if I said instead: "It's an electronic cigarette" (which I already have to a few people in my conservative town). They then say "Really? Weird... how does it work?". I respond "I load some tobacco essence oil into it and it converts it to tar-free vapor when I smoke, kinda like those fog machines in movies."

    They usually then say something like: "Interesting, I should tell my brother about that. He really should stop smoking, or at least cut back a bit". Or they just chuckle and walk away. Both good responses. No cops called. No one concerned about what I am doing to their neighborhood.


    See what a difference simple words can make?


    Also, I would never dare "cook" up a batch of "e-juice" at home using the tobacco plants (Dutch Shorts) I have started in my windowsill for use while "vaping". I would instead "brew" some "tobacco essence" - along with some coffee to pass the time - to "smoke in my electronic cigar".

    The general public (and local police) likely would frown on the first explanation, but shrug their shoulders on the second.

    I know it may seem petty, but isn't that how the world works? I am waiting for the day when I see a report on the news where they proclaim in gravely concerned voices: "Apparently, there is a new type of drug user hitting our streets. People are cooking up 'e-juice' to use in small 'personal vaporizers'. Devices like these have long been used with illegal drugs, but this time it is a special form of chemically altered tobacco."


    IMHO we shouldn't underestimate the power of certain words, and the connotations they may carry. Thoughts?
  2. Jest

    Jest Full Member

    Feb 28, 2009
    NY, USA
    My explanation would be "It's like fog juice plus flavoring and optional nicotine". There really shouldn't be a problem with the police.
  3. stpeters

    stpeters Full Member

    Feb 24, 2009
    That one works nicely. I guess I'm personal to "tobacco essence" since it just sounds so classy. Like the vanilla essence used in fine cooking.

    An if I ever said the words "vaping", "e-juice" or "personal vaporizer" in my town - yes, there would quickly be a problem with the local sheriff. And he even smokes! This is a relatively innocent smaller city, like most of middle America, and anything even hinting at illicit drug use is not tolerated for long. But the smoking rate is pretty high.
  4. TropicalBob

    TropicalBob Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2008
    Port Charlotte, FL USA
    You made a pertinent and accurate observation, Stpeters. I once wrote a lengthy rant on this forum over calling e-liquid "juice". OMG. That's pure drug talk. And so is "vaping". We do not vape juice!

    And we do not have hypodermic syringes lying around to extract juice that we order online from China so we can inject it into drug delivery devices that we suck until a vapor of unknown purity and substance reaches our lungs.


    I see your point.
  5. Liberate_Yourself

    Liberate_Yourself Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Nov 14, 2008
    There is nothing at all wrong or strange about free-basing juice.. is there? Hahaha. Seriously though, some terminology has raised an eyebrow.. but if it means the difference between operating freely, and getting shut down.. I'd stick with the funky sounding stuff. If the cops come by (which they have for a few people on the forum already) a quick explanation has sufficed. Plus with the response time for a call like that, you would probably be long gone by the time the fuzz arrived. lol. :p

    I still think you have a great point though. "cooking" juice and the whole syringes thing kinda makes it feel a bit weird at times.
  6. Elle

    Elle Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 9, 2009
    Orange County, CA
    O-M-G :lol: !!! you just made me seriously "LOL" tbob, you're awesome. may i use that for my new signature?? that's gold.

    no but seriously, aside from the fact that for some reason i found that sentence HILARIOUS, i totally agree. :)

    from time to time i use jargon here on the boards but never irl, because for one thing i feel its bad manners to use jargon of any kind out of context, and for 2, for the most part this is so new to most people i'm self conscious about "sending the wrong message".
  7. z3r0

    z3r0 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 2, 2009
    Ringgold, Ga
    Lol, i work in a carpet mill and smoking is strictly prohibited ... like YOUR FIRED

    I brought my borrowed (for the time being) e-cig and dropped a couple jaws...

    Imagine this, explaining how it works to 6 different bosses and numerous co-workers!!

    I prolly came up with 30 ways to say how it works ... either way they all walked away in amazement and thought it was pretty neat... VAPE ON
  8. Drag on the Magic Puff

    Drag on the Magic Puff Full Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    Andalucia, Spain
    So what's the ideal way to refer to e-liquid/e-juice?

    I'm writing about the electronic cigarette (for want of a better term) at the moment, and I'm pretty much at a loss as to what to call anything any more.

    Is e-liquid less open to misinterpretation than e-juice?

    I'd be grateful for some opinions.
  9. DCrist721

    DCrist721 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2009
    Long Island, NY
    I get bad reactions when I call it an electronic cigarette too though. When I call it a nicotine inhaler I never have a problem. And I just refer to the e-liquid as "refills for my nicotine inhaler." I recently said something about e-liquid to a friend who was unfamiliar with e-cigs and he said, "No way! You can get E in liquid form? Why have you been holding out on me man?" he was of coarse referring to ecstasy, lol, so I haven't called it e-liquid anywhere but this forum since then.
  10. fenez

    fenez Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2009
    So then calling it "my works, & my fix" should be avoided?
  11. stpeters

    stpeters Full Member

    Feb 24, 2009
    I say we follow the cosmetic industry's example. They mix some god-awful stuff into little bottles and expect people to smear it on their naked skin. They have perfected the art of spin like no politician could ever hope to.

    Hence the term "essence" as in "essential oils":

    Seems to me that the active ingredient in e-juice is an "essential oil" of tobacco leaves (or bell pepper leaves, or tomato leaves). It is usually produced through solvent extraction in the factory, or distillation and/or expression in the home.

    Perhaps "essential oils, distilled water, and propylene glycerol". Sounds like something you would buy at a health spa, right?

    Here is a example conversation: "Have you tried the new Totally Wicked Green Apple essence? Nah, I like the French Vanilla essence myself." Or maybe just "smoke oil". Sounds as harmless as the olive oil on my shelf. We could buy it from the Smoke Oil merchants. Plus it is a play on words against "Snake Oil". :D


    The world is happy and needs not concern themselves with us tobacco essence weirdos. We are harmless...

    <waves hand to invoke jedi mind trick>
  12. stpeters

    stpeters Full Member

    Feb 24, 2009
    Add "my stash" and you would have the perfect trifecta of electronic smoking doom, guaranteed to bring about the e-apocolypse... :lol:
  13. fenez

    fenez Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2009
    We are not fooling anyone, as soon as you put this thing to your lips everyone equates it with smoking and all the bad conotations that go with it.
  14. Drag on the Magic Puff

    Drag on the Magic Puff Full Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    Andalucia, Spain
    E in liquid form? Oh no - it goes from bad to worse. But I have to call it something when I'm writing about it.

    Having said that, I've managed to get away without calling my in-laws anything for over 20 years, so maybe it is possible, hmmm.

    Seriously, it must be something that brings up results when searched on-line.

    I can introduce other, perhaps better names alongside it. But for now, it has to be e-juice or e-liquid. I'm guessing e-liquid is the better of two options.

    So, e-liquid, also known as ????? Any ideas?
  15. fenez

    fenez Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2009
    nicquid? Might be a good name.
  16. stpeters

    stpeters Full Member

    Feb 24, 2009
    That is fine with me. Cigarette smoking is a hundred times better then being associated with "shady" illegal drug use. Pick your poison, I suppose.

    My hope is to 1) see electronic cigarettes take the place of regular cigarettes - both in body and spirit. Then 2) since electronic cigarettes are much more benign, it disarms the various anti movements and "the new smoking" is quietly tolerated akin to heavy coffee (or alcohol) drinking is today.
  17. Momof3

    Momof3 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 18, 2009
    Midwest, USA
    To anyone unfamiliar to them I always say it's an electronic cigarette or nicotine inhaler depending on how I'm approached. Nicotine inhaler usually gets me the least amount of grief. I just call the juice, liquid nicotine.
  18. fenez

    fenez Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2009
    I make no excuses, I like to smoke. With so many other things to worry about, it confounds me why so many make such a huge deal about it.(self important control freaks)
  19. ed_bollix

    ed_bollix Super Member ECF Veteran

    People I worked with referred to it as "huffing his gay pipe." I gave up.
  20. stpeters

    stpeters Full Member

    Feb 24, 2009
    Oops! I think this exact scenario is what most concerns the moral fascists. I suppose it induces cold sweats and clammy palms in their ranks. Hence all the recent negative press. Oh well, they hold only limited (and temporary) sway over public opinion. When they banned alcohol on moral grounds, we all quickly discovered that the alternate can be much MUCH worse. Sounds familiar, eh?

    Back OT, nicquid is catchy...
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