Hello ECF members,
My name is Randy Carroll, I'm not an E-cig user. I am however attempting to lead the fight against an ordinance in my county banning e-cigarettes and other tobacco products and stumbled across this forum in my research that I was putting together for a new short video I was making. The video isn't relevant at this point.
However, when I registered to post an update on the thread - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...n-ban-e-cigs-smoking-all-county-property.html - the forums redirected me and said I did not have permissions. I understand this policy, but this message is of urgent importance for awareness.
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Dear Fellow Muskegonite,
Since you are a member of this forum, I realize you must be aware of the smoking ban the county tried to pass back in November. Thanks to activists like yourselves, and a collection of other concerned citizens, we packed the room and forced the Commissioners to strike E-cigs off the language. They ended up scrambling to delay the vote on the rest of the ordinance for 90 days.
Well, that 90 days is up Tuesday, February 25th. At 4pm the Full Commission will vote to ban Smoking and Smokeless tobacco on all County owned properties, including county-leased buildings and parking lots. As you know, this also includes sitting in your car for a $100 fine the first time, and $500 ever consecutive offense.
i have talked to Sabo and Scolnik, both are still in favor of the ordinance and admit that it 'wont really be enforced'. We all know that will not be the case!
I know the 'e-cigs' are struck from the ordinance, which makes this post seem out of place in these forums dedicated to Vaporizers. However, 'informal' meetings have taken place outside of public view, and the person leading the charge to ban the E-Cigs in the first place is pushing hard to get them back on the ordinance.
They also are slapping an amendment onto the proposed ordinance to ban the sale of E-cigs to minors. This is a strawman amendment, which groups anyone against the whole ordinance into 'people who want children to smoke'.
Here is what you can do to help stop this insane ordinance from passing. Help protect ALL smokers rights!
Politicians HATE controversy. Especially local elected officials. The only thing a politician cares about is getting re-elected.
1) Email your Commissioner!
2) Call your commissioner! Every day if you have to. Tell them to stop these powergrabs, and remind them that you will do everything in your power to hold them accountable on this vote. Meaning not voting for them, volunteering for an opposing candidate, outreach to local groups / friends, whatever!
3)SHOW UP and SPEAK OUT on Tuesday, February 25th - 4pm @ Muskegon County Building.
It's not scary, and it has 100x more impact when we can pack a room. The commissioners took notice last time and backpeddled, lets make it standing-room only once again!
4) Encourage any group you have networked with to call / email their Commissioners! Friends, family, co-workers, bar-friends, any smoker you see on the street!
HERE is the link to the Commissioner's contact information - http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us/boardofcommissioners/board_contact_list.pdf
Let's make them regret listing their Private contact information.
Some further homework; Bob Scolnik is the leading Commissioner in favor of this ordinance, as he is the chair of the committee who brought it forward and voted NO to strike the e-cigs from the language, even though he admitted he didn't even know what they were or how they worked.
For your viewing pleasures, here is a video of me speaking out at the November Meeting and some of the Debate that followed. - Muskegon Commissioners Get Lectured about the Proposed Smoking ban. - YouTube
Every link needed for research is in the description of the video.
Thank you for your time reading this.
In Liberty,
Randy Carroll
West Michigan Activist.
Ps. I'll post my newest video once it is uploaded if anyone is interested.
My name is Randy Carroll, I'm not an E-cig user. I am however attempting to lead the fight against an ordinance in my county banning e-cigarettes and other tobacco products and stumbled across this forum in my research that I was putting together for a new short video I was making. The video isn't relevant at this point.
However, when I registered to post an update on the thread - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...n-ban-e-cigs-smoking-all-county-property.html - the forums redirected me and said I did not have permissions. I understand this policy, but this message is of urgent importance for awareness.
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Dear Fellow Muskegonite,
Since you are a member of this forum, I realize you must be aware of the smoking ban the county tried to pass back in November. Thanks to activists like yourselves, and a collection of other concerned citizens, we packed the room and forced the Commissioners to strike E-cigs off the language. They ended up scrambling to delay the vote on the rest of the ordinance for 90 days.
Well, that 90 days is up Tuesday, February 25th. At 4pm the Full Commission will vote to ban Smoking and Smokeless tobacco on all County owned properties, including county-leased buildings and parking lots. As you know, this also includes sitting in your car for a $100 fine the first time, and $500 ever consecutive offense.
i have talked to Sabo and Scolnik, both are still in favor of the ordinance and admit that it 'wont really be enforced'. We all know that will not be the case!
I know the 'e-cigs' are struck from the ordinance, which makes this post seem out of place in these forums dedicated to Vaporizers. However, 'informal' meetings have taken place outside of public view, and the person leading the charge to ban the E-Cigs in the first place is pushing hard to get them back on the ordinance.
They also are slapping an amendment onto the proposed ordinance to ban the sale of E-cigs to minors. This is a strawman amendment, which groups anyone against the whole ordinance into 'people who want children to smoke'.
Here is what you can do to help stop this insane ordinance from passing. Help protect ALL smokers rights!
Politicians HATE controversy. Especially local elected officials. The only thing a politician cares about is getting re-elected.
1) Email your Commissioner!
2) Call your commissioner! Every day if you have to. Tell them to stop these powergrabs, and remind them that you will do everything in your power to hold them accountable on this vote. Meaning not voting for them, volunteering for an opposing candidate, outreach to local groups / friends, whatever!
3)SHOW UP and SPEAK OUT on Tuesday, February 25th - 4pm @ Muskegon County Building.
It's not scary, and it has 100x more impact when we can pack a room. The commissioners took notice last time and backpeddled, lets make it standing-room only once again!
4) Encourage any group you have networked with to call / email their Commissioners! Friends, family, co-workers, bar-friends, any smoker you see on the street!
HERE is the link to the Commissioner's contact information - http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us/boardofcommissioners/board_contact_list.pdf
Let's make them regret listing their Private contact information.
Some further homework; Bob Scolnik is the leading Commissioner in favor of this ordinance, as he is the chair of the committee who brought it forward and voted NO to strike the e-cigs from the language, even though he admitted he didn't even know what they were or how they worked.
For your viewing pleasures, here is a video of me speaking out at the November Meeting and some of the Debate that followed. - Muskegon Commissioners Get Lectured about the Proposed Smoking ban. - YouTube
Every link needed for research is in the description of the video.
Thank you for your time reading this.
In Liberty,
Randy Carroll
West Michigan Activist.
Ps. I'll post my newest video once it is uploaded if anyone is interested.
