Non-Smokers who don't think you quit because you vape.

[Opinionated]

I spent my time trying to master the Vulcan nerve grip thing. Never got it to work well.

my former mother in law could take anyone down with that... she knew the exact nerve center spots on someone's hand or shoulder and this little tiny not even 5 foot tall woman could take the biggest man down.. she had that ALL figured out.

I never could do it the way she could.. lol. She scared her sons with that too, they wouldn't let her come in arms reach on the off chance they had done something wrong.. hahaha

 

[Baditude]

Is there any science behind the 'Spock pinch'?

 

[Eskie]

No, but it looked cool.

 

[Opinionated]

Is there any science behind the 'Spock pinch'?

If you get it correctly, it causes intense pain and will drop someone to their knees.. it wont put them to sleep though..

 

[DaveP]

If you get it correctly, it causes intense pain and will drop someone to their knees.. it wont put them to sleep though..

If you don't get it right the first time, prepare for a struggle! Spock wasn't exactly the overpowering type of muscle build, but his Vulcan nerve pinch was effective.

 

[Rossum]

Non-smokers... Well, you gotta give them that doubt. It's alright, you should understand, even smokers that have no idea about vaping sometimes are hard to convince, even for their own good. Non-smokers are like vegetarians. Eggs, milk and sometimes even the food that livestock eat like corn they don't eat. I can't understand them, so that's on me and they don't understand vapers... We just gotta live with them, and they feel the same for us. Give them their space and hope they give us ours...

Unfortunately, they don't seem to want to give us ours. No, sorry, out back, next to the trash dumpster doesn't count.

I was watching a video of a TV documentary from the late 50s or early 60s yesterday. Almost everyone was smoking, everywhere. At one point, there was a scene from a city council meeting and there was the City Manager happily puffing away while speaking at the meeting. OK, I'm not advocating for a return to that, but outdoor smoking (and vaping!) bans are absurd, as are those in private residences such as apartments and condominiums.

 

[Rossum]

I'll try to re-explain. The meaning of the word "quit" in "I quit smoking" adds a more specific meaning IMO when compared to the generalized "I don't do it anymore". For me, vaping made it possible for me to stop smoking, not quit smoking. To quit smoking is, in my own personal view, by classical/old definition a very lenghty struggle or process of exhaustively suffering from severe cravings resulting from the really heavy addiction that is smoking. Whereas to stop smoking is, also in my own personal view, to achieve that same goal of no longer smoking, but to achieve it in such a way that the struggle and the suffering are not there. So there's a profound difference in quality of life that's characterizing and real, and, IMO to use the word "stop" rather than "quit" in this particular sense accurately captures and acknowledges the reality of that difference. Anti-vapers WANT people to suffer needlessly. Which is why anti-vapers are not only immoral, but also INHERENTLY immoral in addition to that. And genuinely shamelessly so.

What does it really mean to "quit" smoking?

To me, it means making a mental commitment to never have another cigarette, because for most ex-smokers, having just one means failure and a quick return to smoking.

I stopped smoking over five years ago, but I've never made that commitment to never have another one.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Don't know whether I quit or whether I stopped but which ever, it's been a long time since I ignited tobacco wrapped in paper.
I cannot join in with you in declaring anti-vapers to be "immoral or INHERENTLY immoral". I find the idea that anti-vapers "want people to suffer needlessly" to be abhorrent.

I'll try to re-explain. The meaning of the word "quit" in "I quit smoking" adds a more specific meaning IMO when compared to the generalized "I don't do it anymore". For me, vaping made it possible for me to stop smoking, not quit smoking. To quit smoking is, in my own personal view, by classical/old definition a very lenghty struggle or process of exhaustively suffering from severe cravings resulting from the really heavy addiction that is smoking. Whereas to stop smoking is, also in my own personal view, to achieve that same goal of no longer smoking, but to achieve it in such a way that the struggle and the suffering are not there. So there's a profound difference in quality of life that's characterizing and real, and, IMO to use the word "stop" rather than "quit" in this particular sense accurately captures and acknowledges the reality of that difference. Anti-vapers WANT people to suffer needlessly. Which is why anti-vapers are not only immoral, but also INHERENTLY immoral in addition to that. And genuinely shamelessly so.

 

[rosesense]

Rossum reminded me of why I started smoking in the first place. Most don't believe me when I tell them but here goes.

I absolutely hated the smell of cigarettes/smoking. I have a very keen sense of smell and the smell would send me retching. I gave my mother so much grief about her smoking when I was growing up. Sadly, for me, everyone smoked, everywhere. Dr. office, grocery store, dept store, attorney offices, literally everywhere except in church. Kids smoked at school, either in bathrooms or in the designated smoking area. Teachers smoked in their lounge.

It bothered me so much that I finally thought if I could start smoking, maybe I wouldn't vomit every time I smelled it. Believe me, I had to work hard to become a smoker. Fast forward a few years and smokers became outcasts. I was angry that I was subjected to it while growing up and then after I became a smoker, I was treated like a criminal.

I was unable to stop smoking until I tried vaping 9 years ago. My son ragged on me for not just quitting cold turkey like he did but I had tried that with zero success. So I ignored the nay sayers and so glad I did cause I am still smoke free after 9 years which is a miracle to me.

These days I don't say a lot to the negative people, they are usually people who are still smoking. Maybe it is justification for their continued smoking. About all I say to them is, 'if you are really interested, do some research. It is all out there on the web. Follow the money.'

 

[stols001]

To say I could care less is sort of an understatement, I'm afraid.

If it's a never smoker I don't know, well, I just get them to admit they hate smoking, and by association, smokers. Easy to do with the right questions.

Then, they're all like, "But vaping is even worse than smoking!"

And I say, "Okay but you hate smokers right? Can't you leave me in peace to die even faster than I might otherwise? I mean you hate smokers, and vaping's even worse, why can't you just let me die in peace? I hate you, and I'm not wandering up to you telling you to stop impacting my vapey air with your disgusting foul malodorous clean air that you are clogging up around me. Have some damn class I hate you TOO but I'm not the one all up in your grill."

I can't really say what I say to those who know me because it would consist of a series of random dots.

Anna

 

[DancingHeretik]

I'm not good at arguing. I get too emotional to think straight and make sense.

My reaction? To turn and walk away, mumbling "....." under my breath (but still audible).

ETA: Oops, banned word. Starts with an 'm' and ends in an 'n'.

 

[chellie]

I was almost as pleased with myself as I was when I taught myself how to raise one eyebrow when I was twelve.

I only can raise one eyebrow a little bit and only wink with one eye ---right side and I am a lefty mostly. Who can wink with both eyes one at a time...?

 

[chellie]

I'm not good at arguing. I get too emotional to think straight and make sense.

My reaction? To turn and walk away, mumbling "....." under my breath (but still audible).

ETA: Oops, banned word. Starts with an 'm' and ends in an 'n'.

An n or do you mean "r". I am thinking of 2 words so I may be off but that's what I was thinking

 

[ScottP]

An n or do you mean "r". I am thinking of 2 words so I may be off but that's what I was thinking

I think he had the letters correct. It's the opposite of "less off". Yes that is a filtered word.

 

[chellie]

Rossum reminded me of why I started smoking in the first place. Most don't believe me when I tell them but here goes.

I absolutely hated the smell of cigarettes/smoking. I have a very keen sense of smell and the smell would send me retching. I gave my mother so much grief about her smoking when I was growing up. Sadly, for me, everyone smoked, everywhere. Dr. office, grocery store, dept store, attorney offices, literally everywhere except in church. Kids smoked at school, either in bathrooms or in the designated smoking area. Teachers smoked in their lounge.

It bothered me so much that I finally thought if I could start smoking, maybe I wouldn't vomit every time I smelled it. Believe me, I had to work hard to become a smoker. Fast forward a few years and smokers became outcasts. I was angry that I was subjected to it while growing up and then after I became a smoker, I was treated like a criminal.

I was unable to stop smoking until I tried vaping 9 years ago. My son ragged on me for not just quitting cold turkey like he did but I had tried that with zero success. So I ignored the nay sayers and so glad I did cause I am still smoke free after 9 years which is a miracle to me.

These days I don't say a lot to the negative people, they are usually people who are still smoking. Maybe it is justification for their continued smoking. About all I say to them is, 'if you are really interested, do some research. It is all out there on the web. Follow the money.'

Wow - I never heard of that type of reason before. Glad you stopped. I do not even know why I started. I was so young and I think, in my neighborhood, it was like a rite of passage or something.

 

[jjcordone]

I've said to a couple of people "I quit smoking, but I still vape" expecting the "that's still smoking" look or negative comments, but so far all have said, that's ok - it won't kill you like smoking is. This includes my doctor.

 

[chellie]

I think he had the letters correct. It's the opposite of "less off". Yes that is a filtered word.

Oh duh I get it now ---thanks. I was thinking much worse God --- so many things are offensive now. I guess it is derogatory but I do not really consider it a bad word -- must be generational.

Btw very good antonym

 

[jjcordone]

The responses on the smoking smell made me smile. All the years I smoked I never took notice of it.
I now can smell someone smoking from across the parking lot where I work. Now that it's been a few months, I really hate the smell. I never thought I'd feel that way

 

[chellie]

The responses on the smoking smell made me smile. All the years I smoked I never took notice of it.
I now can smell someone smoking from across the parking lot where I work. Now that it's been a few months, I really hate the smell. I never thought I'd feel that way

I, too, can smell someone lighting up a cig across the room AND I can even tell if it is menthol!

The cig smell does not bother me - never did - I mean I do not love it but I do not find it repulsive as many ex or non-smokers do.

I never liked smoke blown in my face even when I smoked so just as I was courteous when I smoked I am courteous when I vape. Courteous as far as not blowing it at anyone.

When I smoked I would always get the "wavers" in public places and that irritated me. I had my first "waver" while vaping in a casino I visited. This woman kept waving and waving and mumbling and I was not blowing it near her. Most people will make a remark about how nice my vape smells. Since she was such an idiot I kept vaping away without blowing it in her direction.

 

[jjcordone]

I treat vaping like smoking and only do it in designated areas. In work I tend to go at off times when the smokers aren't there. I've had more smokers be anti-vape then anyone else is.