noob ?s low ohms concerns

[ClippinWings]

Thanks. That's part of the concerns I see here too. OTOH if it's that great...fine...as long as it's done properly. I think some info/guidelines on battery types, protection (if available/needed) and venting slots reminders are in order.

What's your take on upping the voltage and ohms to within protected device ranges like Daniel13?

No off the shelf device currently does it.

Also, as described, I don't see how it works... the wire he's using would have to either have like 20 wraps... or it's thin and get's crazy hot.

I'd love to hear more details on his setup, because it goes against everything I know about vaping....

Very much like SLR went against everything I knew about vaping.

 

[ClippinWings]

I've been stacking protected batteries in regulated devices for almost 3 years with zero issues. (I do charge and rotate them in pairs. And check with a DMM).

and you think SLR is dangerous?!

 

[SwaK]

Thanks everyone for the input, its greatly helpful and know this topic is never ending as the trend continues. I myself have been been running on 1.3ohms with my RSST and was debating what I should run on my drip atomizer. I do like the ability of switching between my mechanical and provari without any concerns of hitting the resistance limit of the provari.

 

[ClippinWings]

This is pretty well my feelings on the matter as well, though i'm only 2 months in and using ego batteries and and commercially available supplies. I usually vape around 10 watts and it's perfectly fine for me, though i'm using 24mg nicotin, so that keeps me pretty satisfied.. I imagine when i start getting nearer the 10mg nicotin level i'll really start playing around with different setups, but as for right now there's absolutely no need to jump way ahead and skip out on all the noob type experiences. The journey is quite often just as good/better than the destination IMHO.

When i went SLR... I dropped from 18mg to 8mg instantly... 18mg made me physically ill in under 10 minutes, due to the amount of vapor SLR produces

 

[ClippinWings]

Iusedtoanalog...

They are talking about the surface area of the coil with SLR..and thick wire. And that it's different...even at the same wattage...than a thinner coil with more wraps. Since the coil doesn't heat 100% evenly, I can see that. But I just don't know if it matters enough.

I've wrapped my share of coils so far. I only have kanthal that goes down to 32 so I can't test well. I can run the 32 ga. But ...meh.

See there's the issue... 32 the thinnest wire most would consider using in an SLR.

Most are using 28

 

[AttyPops]

Yep. That's why I said "I can't test well." I don't have 28 ga....yet.

 

[ClippinWings]

Yep. That's why I said "I can't test well." I don't have 28 ga....yet.

Yeah, I think Radar nailed the problem here...

The difference is not an electrical discussion... It's a thermodynamics issue.

I mean, I fully understand that you can get 24 watts at 6 volts....

I also know that it's a horrible vape and not comparable to 24 watts at 4.2 volts.

Hmm... Wish I understood thermodynamics. LOL

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[Ryedan]

and you think SLR is dangerous?!

I wouldn't go there. IMO, stacking batts vs SLR ... both are dangerous if you do not understand the technology and accommodate it. Both are reasonably safe if you do understand. YMMV.

 

[ClippinWings]

I wouldn't go there. IMO, stacking batts vs SLR ... both are dangerous if you do not understand the technology and accommodate it. Both are reasonably safe if you do understand. YMMV.

That was my point.

Both practices have inherent dangers, that can be reduced or eliminated with knowledge, proper equipment and use.

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[SwaK]

Yeah, I think Radar nailed the problem here...

The difference is not an electrical discussion... It's a thermodynamics issue.

I mean, I fully understand that you can get 24 watts at 6 volts....

I also know that it's a horrible vape and not comparable to 24 watts at 4.2 volts.

Hmm... Wish I understood thermodynamics. LOL

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So at the end of it, it does boil down to heat dissipation...I understand the electrical aspect and how heat is created based on the power produced.ThAnks again!

 

[AttyPops]

Well, maybe the OP kind poisoned the pill with the question (no offense OP...a good question)....but if you have to let your PV rest because the battery gets hot....THAT is a problem. And I don't mean heating from the coil/carto to the shell...I mean the battery heating up due to use. If that is happening at all...if the battery gets hot/warm with constant vaping....you'd better consider a different battery or upping the ohms.

Don't get me going on charging either...since I'm a believer in slow chargers. So...

 

[NancyR]

I can tell you I have never had my battery get hot, and if the tube even starts to feel warm I am checking to make sure it isn't due to the battery

 

[SwaK]

I can tell you I have never had my battery get hot, and if the tube even starts to feel warm I am checking to make sure it isn't due to the battery

Hmm interesting, you never experienced when the mod gets warm/hot? I know this is subjective as what's hot for me can be warm for others, but with electronic devices I tend to go on the sensitive side..
My friend has a vamo on a Vivi tank and his mod can get hot when my provari never gets close to that...I have never tried a mechanical mod that doesn't have any sort of temp change during vape...Am I just being too sensitive with all these PVs that I have tried and overlooking things? Granted these did occur when chain vaping but not heavy chaining (3sec intervals)..

 

[SwaK]

Oops maybe I read your post incorrectly...I never experienced the battery itself get hot, just the PV. But I do know the caused of the heat is a combination of the battery and the coils heat dissipation..

 

[NancyR]

Oops maybe I read your post incorrectly...I never experienced the battery itself get hot, just the PV. But I do know the caused of the heat is a combination of the battery and the coils heat dissipation..

If there is a short or some other issue the battery itself will get warm/hot to the touch, the tubes a lot of the heat there at least in my case is from holding it all the time as I chain vape, but when in doubt about why it is warm I check, would rather take 2 secs and make sure it isn't a battery issue than not

 

[SwaK]

If there is a short or some other issue the battery itself will get warm/hot to the touch, the tubes a lot of the heat there at least in my case is from holding it all the time as I chain vape, but when in doubt about why it is warm I check, would rather take 2 secs and make sure it isn't a battery issue than not

Yeah 2seconds of awareness is well worth it.

 

[AttyPops]

The other question I have for the SLR pros is (Rader in particular)....

Have you checked with any of the device manufacturers to see how the switches (buttons) are rated? Is there any chance they would weld themselves closed with that wattage? (IDK if that's a real concern or not. Just wondering out loud again...)

Remember that buttons fail on mech mods due to switch bounce and arcing and they pit...so just thinking out loud. IDK if its a concern for std vaping either. Maybe if it hasn't happened for std stuff, it won't for SLR either. IDK.

 

[ClippinWings]

The other question I have for the SLR pros is (Rader in particular)....

Have you checked with any of the device manufacturers to see how the switches (buttons) are rated? Is there any chance they would weld themselves closed with that wattage? (IDK if that's a real concern or not. Just wondering out loud again...)

Remember that buttons fail on mech mods due to switch bounce and arcing and they pit...so just thinking out loud. IDK if its a concern for std vaping either. Maybe if it hasn't happened for std stuff, it won't for SLR either. IDK.

The Amperage would have to get WAY up there... Way... I can see how long term use could cause damage, but the parts can be replaced in most mods... but actually fusing would take much more than we're pumping through them.

For instance, my mod uses Coper Contacts... the melting point of Copper is 1,984 degrees... that's some serious heat

 

[AttyPops]

you didn't have to... you said 24 watts at 6v

That's a 1.5 Ohm Coil and you're burning juice.

No...what I said was the device was capable of 24 watts at 6 volts. I didn't say what ohms you actually put on the connector (the load). In other words, I was talking about max-watts for the power supply, not watts for the load (which could be lower).

The question was basically, since a regulated PV could deliver 24 watts in that example of device specs (not all can, in fact few can)...can't you use it for SLR? AKA...is 24 watts enough? What the actual voltage and ohm variables are is user-defined within the 24 watt limit.

 

[Sheila Michele 1971]

This is pretty well my feelings on the matter as well, though i'm only 2 months in and using ego batteries and and commercially available supplies. I usually vape around 10 watts and it's perfectly fine for me, though i'm using 24mg nicotin, so that keeps me pretty satisfied.. I imagine when i start getting nearer the 10mg nicotin level i'll really start playing around with different setups, but as for right now there's absolutely no need to jump way ahead and skip out on all the noob type experiences. The journey is quite often just as good/better than the destination IMHO.

How are you getting 10 watts on an ego batty? Or maybe Im misunderstanding?