Not how you do business.

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Barbara21

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I vape 1.8 to 2.4% and anyone who thinks a good business model is to stop taking orders when they will eventually have the product in a reasonable amount of time is a complete ..... and has zero business experience. You don't run a business like that, that's how you lose money, and I'm sure most of the companies who do this lose money, customers and eventually won't be around sooner than later.....and AVE is not the problem but they do practice these questionable dealings as I've experienced in the past, which regardless of what you say with regards to being a capacity or whatever....this is not a sporting event where all the seats are full...if you are out of the supplies to make the juice than so be it, but not taking orders is a joke.

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The bolded part is where you're missing the point. For whatever reason, they *won't* have the product in a 'reasonable' amount of time. Maybe they're having supplier problems or simply not enough time. Whatever. Doesn't matter. I have no problems with a vendor closing his/her store for something like that.

And the answer is not always to ramp up production. Some people just aren't interested. And I know several people in similar situations who spent money to hire people/move to a bigger facility/buy equipment, etc. who ended up going under when the economy went against them or they lost a contract or a critical person had health problems.
 

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It occurs to me also that you don't understand the type of people who are selling ejuice! It could easily be someone, say, like me - let's assume I have a full-time job, but I love mixing eliquid and decide I can make some extra money selling it. Since I'm not concerned with any particular business model but merely making some extra cash, and I want to make sure the product is made to my own high standards, I decide that I will only sell what I can reasonably make when I'm not working. I'm not trying to compete with Halo or other companies, obviously. Will I be around next year? Who knows, but I'm not really concerned with that since this is not my main source of income but rather a hobby that turned into a sideline.

Does this make more sense now? (In case I wasn't clear I do not make or sell ejuice:p)
 

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And here I was about to complain of a company that took my order, took my money and after 2 weeks my order still says "processing". That drives me crazy....If their site just said "closed for now" I could've ordered something else and tried again later. I like vendors who make the decision to be honest and realistic...to me, that IS a good business model. Then again, I'm from the days when a hand shake meant "it's a deal". Apparently, deceit is a better business model these days.
 

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You all have very good and valid points here. Sorry to ruffle feathers and I did not single out any vendors or name names, as a few other did, but I am saying that there isn't another online store/industry where you go to there website and it says "closed for business" or "we will reopen next thursday at 3pm" that doesn't exist, and is ridiculous.(And I'm not talking about website issues or upgrades either) Take orders and give a time frame as to when you will receive the goods....just like every single other business other than firearms which there are a number of hoops to jump thru depending on which state you live in. So obviously I'm taking my business elsewhere just like anyone would. And I would love to address the issues with the FDA and government intrusion into are everyday lives but you would first need to understand the term "progressive" and understand that this is the #1 root of all problems with this country and specifically goes back about 100 years and basically started with the progressive tax code. Just look at alcohol, it is regulated under the Department of the Treasury, not the FDA or any other entity. Marinate on that one.
But once again. Sorry to upset you.

I hate progress too. I miss the good old days where just being a white man was enough to guarantee I'd have a better life than the vast majority.
/Sarcasm off
 

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I find it truly amazing how an E-Liquid vendor or any business would close their online store to customers trying to place an order. Basically they have plenty of money and/or they don't care for your business or they are braindead idiots who enjoy losing new customers. This has happened more than once to me trying to buy e-liquid from a supposedly reputable supplier/vendor.
Makes me sick to my stomach.
I won't name names as to keep from alienating anyone who might want to throw in there 2 cents.

That's all.:mad:

What's the big deal? If you don't like how a vendor does business then don't patronize them. Seems pretty simple to me.
 

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Vaper has a monthly vaping budget.
Vaper is running low on joose.
Vaper spends monthly vaping budget on a joose order.
Joose is backordered.
Vaper is now out of joose.
Vaper posts rant on the ECF and returns to smoking.

Don't be that vaper!
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Ron Swanson is only a living, breathing, walking god among men. Look at my sig.

;-) He's a hyper-masculine character on the ABC show "Parks and Recreation". Made by the same people who did The Office.

No clue who that is. And am probably showing my stupidity by stating that out loud. ;)
 

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You all have very good and valid points here. Sorry to ruffle feathers and I did not single out any vendors or name names, as a few other did, but I am saying that there isn't another online store/industry where you go to there website and it says "closed for business" or "we will reopen next thursday at 3pm" that doesn't exist, and is ridiculous.(And I'm not talking about website issues or upgrades either) .

Actually there are two very popular photography retail/online shops that shuts down during Jewish holidays. Sometimes for a whole week.
 

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May I suggest you do your homework on the particular vendors you're thinking of purchasing from? Look for the specific vendor in the E-Juice sub-forum?

Every business owner makes their own decision on how to model their business. If they don't crash and burn in the first 6 months, they may revise that model or stick to what has kept them viable. They are the ones that decide where their comfort zone is, as far as overhead, employees, turn around, product, quality, advertising, possible incorporation, etc., etc. Their business, their headaches.

You, as the consumer, decide whether the business fits your needs. If only being able to order one day a week is a problem, go somewhere else. But criticizing a business because of that is pretty ridiculous considering the many businesses that leave you hanging without your cash, the product, the WRONG product, no customer service, or a product that sucks.

And you not naming the particular vendor? Anyone who's been on the forum for a few months can pretty well make the conclusion that you're talking about Alice in Vapeland. If that's wrong, I stand corrected, but I am unaware of any other vendor that is open for a brief period, once a week.

I will also add I have been a regular customer of AiV since September, AiV is my only ejuice source, and not once have I had an issue with ordering. I won't debate the quality of their ejuice, their packaging, etc., that is all personal preference, but I will say their customer service is great and they do adhere to their shipping time as stated on their website, along with a tracking number. They also have a telephone number/email accessibility, and a physical address, 3 things a business must have for me to consider them, barring 5 star or ECF member recommendations.

If AiV is in fact the vendor you are referring to, you can order some of AiV's ejuices from Giantvapes 24/7. From what I understand, Giantvapes sells out of it pretty quickly though. I wonder what that's all about..............?
 

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AVE shuts down when they reach capacity. I've been buying Boba's by the 100 ml so I've not needed to restock in a while, but the last time I ordered 100 mls was at 8:30 in the evening, and that was impossible six months ago. I think AVE cleaned up their act, but I don't know... I was one of the few who understood their practice and ordered in bulk, ahead of time...

As of 3:26 EST, AVE is still open for Boba orders.

EDIT: This reminds me of Tuesdays when I played WoW. It was understood every Tuesday was maintenance day. Didn't matter, Tuesdays the servers go down. And every Tuesday the General Forums would be flooded with people whining, "Why, Blizzard?!" "Blizzard SUX" etc. But it was understood from the get-go. And yet still people complained.
 
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but I am saying that there isn't another online store/industry where you go to there website and it says "closed for business" or "we will reopen next thursday at 3pm" that doesn't exist, and is ridiculous.

Oh but there are! I can think of two right now: cloth diapers be spindles! The more artesian, boutique, mom and pop, the increased likelihood of server crashes and big cartel/art fire/etsy cart-jacking. This phenomena isn't rare. And dare I say maybe making the most money may not be the ultimate goal of ones business. Namaste and all that.



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xanderxman

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Try buying Pluid. :D

The popular vendors who care about quality will shut down when they reach capacity to ensure they can serve the customers that placed orders. If not, they would just be going off Ms. T's style and taking orders they can't fill. Would you rather know, upfront, that no new orders are being taken or have your order "taken" and not receive liquid for months? I prefer the former.
 
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