Not sure if my setup is dangerous

[tj99959]

With a car engine combustion heats the engine, and the cooling system keeps it running at the proper temperature. An atomizer works the same way, power (volts/watts/amps) heat the coil, and air flow & liquid keep it at the proper temperature. So the higher the watts ... the more air & liquid it takes to maintain the proper temperature.
So the only real limitations on wattage are what's your lung capacity, and how much juice do you want to buy.

I'm told that my vape is fairly hot, most that have tried it guess it to be around 450-500 degrees. I do that with ~7 watts. Point being that high temperature has little to do with the wattage used, and more to do with the amount of air & liquid used. So sub ohm/high wattage vaping is only about wanting cumulus rather than cirrus clouds ..and has no other benefit.

So go ahead and vape at ~20 amps if you want to, it's perfectly safe with the batteries we have today. But, me thinks I'll just keep on vaping at ~2 amps instead. Would you believe that the mod I'm using this morning has a 2.5 amp limiter?? (V1 Provari)

 

[Skold]

The LG HD2's look good on that chart. 25A should handle just about anything you throw at it (within reason).

Every time I see a reviewer cranking it up and only able to take a half second draw before their lips start blistering and then say "what a solid hit and great vape!", I only shake my head and move on.

Thanks it'll definitely handle my 60-100 watts no problem then. I'm getting an Xcube ultra soon and a herkales. I tried out the setup an it definitely handled 100 watts no problem

 

[Skold]

With a car engine combustion heats the engine, and the cooling system keeps it running at the proper temperature. An atomizer works the same way, power (volts/watts/amps) heat the coil, and air flow & liquid keep it at the proper temperature. So the higher the watts ... the more air & liquid it takes to maintain the proper temperature.
So the only real limitations on wattage are what's your lung capacity, and how much juice do you want to buy.

I'm told that my vape is fairly hot, most that have tried it guess it to be around 450-500 degrees. I do that with ~7 watts. Point being that high temperature has little to do with the wattage used, and more to do with the amount of air & liquid used. So sub ohm/high wattage vaping is only about wanting cumulus rather than cirrus clouds ..and has no other benefit.

So go ahead and vape at ~20 amps if you want to, it's perfectly safe with the batteries we have today. But, me thinks I'll just keep on vaping at ~2 amps instead. Would you believe that the mod I'm using this morning has a 2.5 amp limiter?? (V1 Provari)

Provari for the win, I recently bought out eBays stock along with kabukis & got a couple kayfuns off a different site. Gotta say this is the best mtl vape I've tried!

 

[Bad Ninja]

Huh really no one vapes over 120w? I just think its weird how ive seen people on youtube vape this tank at like 300w. Just hearing that 200w is the lower end. The startup at 100watts is useful information because tbh id be starting at 200 watts.

The lg hg200 does seem like a much better battery after some research, I feel kind of scammed seeing efest are $16 ea against hg200 being $8. Why is efest more expensive if its lower quality?

Extreme high power is only needed to fire those exotic coils that use a huge mass of wire.
They are inefficient battery killers.
But they look cool.



Im just curious as to why people spend money on products they dont understand, and then come here and ask if its safe to shove in their mouths .
I would think the smarter move would be to ask BEFORE you spend the money.

 

[Skold]

Extreme high power is only needed to fire those exotic coils that use a huge mass of wire.
They are inefficient battery killers.
But they look cool.



Im just curious as to why people spend money on products they dont understand, and then come here and ask if its safe to shove in their mouths .
I would think the smarter move would be to ask BEFORE you spend the money.

I totally agree with you! People waste money on mods too advanced too.

 

[Eskie]

@kingraptor724 , I do feel this should be said. No one is really looking to beat up on you. It was good you decided to ask about safety before actually using this, or any device. What you are seeing is the frustration at vendors, manufacturers, reviewers, and even other vapers who get all caught up about power as the magic key to blowing clouds (or just enjoy your vape). It's not. If you look at those tfv12 coils, you'll see them "rated" up to 300W, but even Smok offers a "recommended" up to maybe 150W (hard to remember with the dozens of coils seemingly to all be called the same name).

The only advice I can give (other than ditch the Efests) is prime your coil well, slowly break it in raising the wattage a bit as you go along. Stop raising the wattage at the point YOU are happy with the vape you're getting. I can virtually guarantee it will be nowhere near 200, let alone 300W.

 

[WillieB69]

I only use lg hg2 and Samsung 30q. They are the bomb.com. lol. I know some guys that vape dual battery mods as high as 180 but 200 is crazy high. Do you enjoy the vape you get off of that ?

At 15 amps, isn't the 30Q a little low for a lot of high watt/low ohm boxes?

 

[Skold]

At 15 amps, isn't the 30Q a little low for a lot of high watt/low ohm boxes?

I only vape at 60 watts but your right could it handle high wattage.
That's why I'm going with LG HD2's for my higher wattage.
But the 30q do fine in my tesla nano steampunk

 

[stols001]

The reason that you are seeing it demonstrated on youtube at 300 watts is because that tank/setup is designed *for* cloud chasers, and they certainly want to show it OFF at its max capabilities so the cloud chasers will drool. That doesn't mean that you must vape it at higher wattages. The wattage recommendations that come with the coils/tank are *recommended* and simply that. You can vape whatever you want, after my first sub-ohm tank I was like, "I'm never vaping over 30 watts," even though my coil was rated for *far* higher than that. Gotta give props to my B&M where I went to go get eliquid and *asked* the guy-- he showed me what was recommended and indicated that I didn't HAVE to go any higher than I wanted. Now, I'm vaping a 0.7 coil at 1 watt higher than I was using with a 1.8 coil, and just overall finding it a better vape... So, it's really up to YOU what works, and if you find yourself wanting higher wattages, even SOMEtimes, yes, you need the right battery (and not a rewrap) to use it safely..... Even if you are going to do that on even an *occasional* basis. Battery safety is important and there are many pinned threads about that, as well as Mooch's blog, which is excellent.

Anna

 

[Eskie]

At 15 amps, isn't the 30Q a little low for a lot of high watt/low ohm boxes?

According to Mooch, they tested out at 20A. One of the few times a manufacturer gave a more conservative rating to a battery than it was actually capable of. Personally, I like the price/performance point of the 25Rs (I know it's only $1 or $2 different), especially on sale, as for my midrange power needs predominately in multi-battery regulated mods, I don't get all worried about the extra 500mAh the 30Q offers.

 

[tj99959]

I only vape at 60 watts but your right could it handle high wattage.
That's why I'm going with LG HD2's for my higher wattage.
But the 30q do fine in my tesla nano steampunk

Quite often it become a disadvantage to use a higher amp battery because you give up amp hours to get amps.

 

[WillieB69]

According to Mooch, they tested out at 20A. One of the few times a manufacturer gave a more conservative rating to a battery than it was actually capable of. Personally, I like the price/performance point of the 25Rs (I know it's only $1 or $2 different), especially on sale, as for my midrange power needs predominately in multi-battery regulated mods, I don't get all worried about the extra 500mAh the 30Q offers.

I've been using the 25Rs for awhile now. Bought 8 new ones when I got my Tesla Steampunk and married them so I have 4 sets. Vaping at 45-50W, they last me most of the day. (Although I sometimes have to change them out halfway through on my days off when I vape more.)

 

[Eskie]

I've been using the 25Rs for awhile now. Bought 8 new ones when I got my Tesla Steampunk and married them so I have 4 sets. Vaping at 45-50W, they last me most of the day. (Although I sometimes have to change them out halfway through on my days off when I vape more.)

How much juice do you vape a day? I'm a little lower in power consumption, 35-40W but in TC at ~450F, and a dual set of 25Rs will see me through a day and a little more vaping ~7 ml of juice. If I'm home and doing a rotation of a few tanks/mods, it's days between charging on the 2 and 3 battery mods.

 

[WillieB69]

How much juice do you vape a day? I'm a little lower in power consumption, 35-40W but in TC at ~450F, and a dual set of 25Rs will see me through a day and a little more vaping ~7 ml of juice. If I'm home and doing a rotation of a few tanks/mods, it's days between charging on the 2 and 3 battery mods.

I've been using about 15-20 ml. Some days I've hit 30 from chain vaping. Just depends how many breaks I get at work or if it's my day off. My coils are Kanthal 22 ga. at 0.23 ohms right now. (According to the Tesla) I can drain my OBS Engine tank (5 ml) on my lunch break.

 

[tj99959]

By comparison:
I normally use 18490 batteries (1200mAh). Vaping at ~7 watts I average having to charge 1.5 batteries/day, and use ~4ml of liquid.

 

[tj99959]

Dern' puters!

 

[tj99959]

Oops. double post

 

[Skold]

Quite often it become a disadvantage to use a higher amp battery because you give up amp hours to get amps.

Yeah I know, I'm fine with my 30qs anyway. I don't vape that high & normally get 2 days out of a battery.

 

[Asbestos4004]

@kingraptor724 , I do feel this should be said. No one is really looking to beat up on you. It was good you decided to ask about safety before actually using this, or any device. What you are seeing is the frustration at vendors, manufacturers, reviewers, and even other vapers who get all caught up about power as the magic key to blowing clouds (or just enjoy your vape). It's not. If you look at those tfv12 coils, you'll see them "rated" up to 300W, but even Smok offers a "recommended" up to maybe 150W (hard to remember with the dozens of coils seemingly to all be called the same name).

The only advice I can give (other than ditch the Efests) is prime your coil well, slowly break it in raising the wattage a bit as you go along. Stop raising the wattage at the point YOU are happy with the vape you're getting. I can virtually guarantee it will be nowhere near 200, let alone 300W.

Speak for yourself. I'm actually livid with the op. If we were in a bar together, the cops would already be on the way.

Kidding.....what Eskie said.

 

[kingraptor724]

Well everyone I cancelled my order since you guys talked me out of it. Now I just want LG preferably 25 amps and Im thinking about just getting a 200w-220w mod and maybe get the tfv12 x4 coils instead of the overkill t12 . Anyone have any suggestions for a nice setup built around the tfv12? Btw I mass produce like 300ml ejuice a day for cheap thats flavorless, so using up juice is not a sweat to me. 30ml only costs me like 10 cents to make.

 

[Skold]

Well everyone I cancelled my order since you guys talked me out of it. Now I just want LG preferably 25 amps and Im thinking about just getting a 200w-220w mod and maybe get the tfv12 x4 coils instead of the overkill t12 . Anyone have any suggestions for a nice setup built around the tfv12? Btw I mass produce like 300ml ejuice a day for cheap thats flavorless, so using up juice is not a sweat to me. 30ml only costs me like 10 cents to make.

No one's stopping you getting a 300 watt device I actually like 4 battery mods cos the battery life is amazing.

 

[kingraptor724]

Well thats true but if im vaping at 0.15ohm, I think 220w itself is overkill. 4 Battery is interesting but must make the battery pretty heavy. Tbh I cant even find a good mod without it being overpriced with the stupid tank combinations.

 

[Skold]

I had a go on the rx300 the other day & it's not any heavier than my tesla nano dual battery but it is very bulky in my small hands.

I tried the rx300 with a herkales at 95 watts & it was a damn good combo, I don't normally vape higher than 60 watts but that was great.
Definitely recommend that setup.
The rx300 is pretty reasonably priced & so is the herkales.
But then again I have $200.00 mods so $50.00 for a quad battery isn't bad at all
If clouds are your thing it can certainly deliver them! I preferred it to the baby beast an tfv12, better flavour.
I don't rate smok tanks...