It's even easier than that. Look up tobacco Bonds. Hundreds of billions of dollars of outstanding tobacco bonds to the states and their municipalities. Floating like an analog cloud.
NY about to BAN ECIG SALES!!!
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It's even easier than that. Look up tobacco Bonds. Hundreds of billions of dollars of outstanding tobacco bonds to the states and their municipalities. Floating like an analog cloud.
+1Where there is smoke there are mirrors.
This ban makes zero sense. s/b unconstitutional to ban it.
If you try to pass heath care (a positive thought, whether or not you agree with the implementation) it is unconstitutional. But if you ban e-cigs...... it's OK. WTF is going on with this country????? Is this government of the Healthy, by the Healthy, for the Healthy? Are they trying to kill off everyone else (including nicotine users)? WTF?
Freedom my patoot. New York needs a serious enema.
Rant completed.
This has got me thinking, which is probably more then are government does,,lol If this is all about taxes, wouldn't you want to keep the tax payer alive, now I'm no rocket scientist but I'm pretty sure corpse's don't pay taxes, i could be wrong.
I don't see why not. They vote.
Passing this ban isn't going to stop everyone from vaping, but now instead of buying e juice that's professionally made and contains a set amount of nicotine, your gonna have more people making their own from tobbacco extraction containing an unknown amount of nicotine and the other chems in tobacco and possibly hurting themselves or others. It's just like drugs and alcohol, prohibition doesn't stop the demand or the supply, it just makes it less safe and less controlled.
I checked out STOP electronic cigarette ban NOW to see what's going on with other states. It looks like NY, MD, and WA are the only states trying to ban the sale of ecigs. Other legislative actions are regarding the sales to minors. Which is totally reasonable.
If you look at the comments on the two bills here and here there are numerous comments about how ridiculous this ban is. However, these politicians are going ahead with their own agenda. They clearly aren't listening to us and it is evident that they will not listen to us. How many hundreds of emails were sent and phone calls made opposed to this?? Yet they're pushing this through.
If you look at the comments on the two bills here and here there are numerous comments about how ridiculous this ban is. However, these politicians are going ahead with their own agenda. They clearly aren't listening to us and it is evident that they will not listen to us. How many hundreds of emails were sent and phone calls made opposed to this?? Yet they're pushing this through.
You will probably find a correlation between the attempt to fully ban vapes and the amount of tax being placed on analogs per pack. NY has one of the highest taxes per pack. I'm not sure about MD and WA. Simply put, they're addicted to smokers, they can't quit, and to have us quit will put a big dent in their revenue.
Right now, legislation and taxes concerning analogs and tobacco products is on a knife's edge, precariously balanced between optimum taxation vs ability of the citizenry to spend, optimum fines from Big Tobacco, and having a revolt. To lessen the fines, there was an influx of those annoying public announcements from BT about the dangers of smoking in 2008. Remember those? Come the next increase in national income levels, that balance will be tested to the next knife's edge. Frog boiling at its finest.
Now that floating tobacco bonds are in place, BT has pulled back - doing the bare minimum to avoid the fines - because they know that tobacco users, on the average, are not stupid, they are addicted. The states, their individual municipalities, and the feds want to keep them that way.
And don't kid yourself about Socialized National Health Care. Sounds good on paper and in theory, but please do tell me where in that massive all-for-one bill are provisions for addicts other than illegal drug users and alcoholics.
Look, I was dumped by my insurance due to having tested positive for Rheumatoid Arthritis. Kicked out in the cold, literally. They don't give a crap if I smoke. Smoking equals higher premiums. My RA costs them more than my smoking. Being forced to pay thousands anually into a national system costs me more than being without, and my American sensibilities have a problem with being punished and fined for not swallowing what's being shoved down my throat. But, I digress ...
Right now, legislation and taxes concerning analogs and tobacco products is on a knife's edge, precariously balanced between optimum taxation vs ability of the citizenry to spend, optimum fines from Big Tobacco, and having a revolt. To lessen the fines, there was an influx of those annoying public announcements from BT about the dangers of smoking in 2008. Remember those? Come the next increase in national income levels, that balance will be tested to the next knife's edge. Frog boiling at its finest.
Now that floating tobacco bonds are in place, BT has pulled back - doing the bare minimum to avoid the fines - because they know that tobacco users, on the average, are not stupid, they are addicted. The states, their individual municipalities, and the feds want to keep them that way.
And don't kid yourself about Socialized National Health Care. Sounds good on paper and in theory, but please do tell me where in that massive all-for-one bill are provisions for addicts other than illegal drug users and alcoholics.
Look, I was dumped by my insurance due to having tested positive for Rheumatoid Arthritis. Kicked out in the cold, literally. They don't give a crap if I smoke. Smoking equals higher premiums. My RA costs them more than my smoking. Being forced to pay thousands anually into a national system costs me more than being without, and my American sensibilities have a problem with being punished and fined for not swallowing what's being shoved down my throat. But, I digress ...
SPECULATION IS FUN, BUT FACTS ARE BETTER...
If you follow the money, and I mean really follow the money, it leads straight to Big Phama, not Big Tobacco.
This is well known by all of the folks here that are fighting for us in the deepest trenches.
The real and true enemy is one you would never suspect.
It is the American Cancer Society, the American Lung Association, Tobacco Free Kids, the American Medical Association, etc.
Check out the E-Cigarette News and the Campaigning subforums if you really want to get up to speed on these issues.
And then stand up and fight, just do something, because we HAVE been making a difference in a number of states.
We are not as powerless as you might think.
And Tigerlilly is right, there is a lot of ignorance here.
When we have talked to the politicians, we have made a difference.
We have stopped bans in other states before.
The politicians don't have time to read and research all the bills that come before them, they trust the alphabet soup.
The alphabet soup being all those listed above like the AMA, ACS, ALA, AHA, AAP, CFTK, and many others.
And it is the alphabet soup who is pushing for all these bans.
And they are the ones pushing the FDA to step in and stop the spread of electronic cigarettes.
This is all documented fact, and we need to understand the enemy before we have any hope to defeat them.
If you follow the money, and I mean really follow the money, it leads straight to Big Phama, not Big Tobacco.
This is well known by all of the folks here that are fighting for us in the deepest trenches.
The real and true enemy is one you would never suspect.
It is the American Cancer Society, the American Lung Association, Tobacco Free Kids, the American Medical Association, etc.
Check out the E-Cigarette News and the Campaigning subforums if you really want to get up to speed on these issues.
And then stand up and fight, just do something, because we HAVE been making a difference in a number of states.
We are not as powerless as you might think.
And Tigerlilly is right, there is a lot of ignorance here.
When we have talked to the politicians, we have made a difference.
We have stopped bans in other states before.
The politicians don't have time to read and research all the bills that come before them, they trust the alphabet soup.
The alphabet soup being all those listed above like the AMA, ACS, ALA, AHA, AAP, CFTK, and many others.
And it is the alphabet soup who is pushing for all these bans.
And they are the ones pushing the FDA to step in and stop the spread of electronic cigarettes.
This is all documented fact, and we need to understand the enemy before we have any hope to defeat them.
If worse comes to worse, we can grow our own tobacco and get the vaporizers that the pot users have. I'm not smoking big tobacco company tobacco ever again. I dont want to start any political arguments on here, but I would bet if you investigated this further, you would find that they are left wing democrats voting for this.
Sad, Sad day for Americans everywhere. Next thing you know we'll be putting ppl in prison before we prove their guilt and censoring our music and literature. oh wait ... are we .... can it be ... A Solcialist Repuplic? lmao .... thats the direction were headed. time for revolution? heh
Have you seen who we have as a President!? You laugh, but YES, thats exactly where we are headed.
But I do not think what is happening in NY is all about $$. NY has become a Strange Liberal Tree Hugging Animal. Our Mayer has made it harder for the Middle class to stay in NY. He is closing down more and more public schools, to make way to $$$ Charter Schools. OOO – You can’t afford it, that’s too bad…
Smoking is frowned upon, and harder to smoke anywhere. We are up to $11-12 a pack!! And you can’t smoke anywhere. The most recent ban has been made to PARKS, BEACHES and TIME SQUARE!!
Smoking is frowned upon, and harder to smoke anywhere. We are up to $11-12 a pack!! And you can’t smoke anywhere. The most recent ban has been made to PARKS, BEACHES and TIME SQUARE!!
Mayor Blum-bugger wants complete control. He wants our ecigs and our guns. What's next?
Vaping is seen as the same thing. They don’t care – It looks like smoke it is treated as smoke. FDA did the BS Survey and stated that it had Carcinogens. NYC is saying that they want to see proof that its safe. Are you kidding me!!!!
I smoked 1.5-2 packs a day for 20+ years. After getting into this Mod/ecig/vaping thing, I stopped smoking in about 4 days. In 4 DAYS down to 0 Cigarettes! I haven’t had a smoke since sometime in NOV 2010. I wasn’t even TRYING to quit – it just happened! Now I managed to save my Life, but NYC doesn’t like the way it looks. People are committing suicide with Chantex – but that is cool. NYC is one screwed up town. I love and miss my old NY. This place has really become a .... box for hipsters, yuppies and Wannabes.
I smoked 1.5-2 packs a day for 20+ years. After getting into this Mod/ecig/vaping thing, I stopped smoking in about 4 days. In 4 DAYS down to 0 Cigarettes! I haven’t had a smoke since sometime in NOV 2010. I wasn’t even TRYING to quit – it just happened! Now I managed to save my Life, but NYC doesn’t like the way it looks. People are committing suicide with Chantex – but that is cool. NYC is one screwed up town. I love and miss my old NY. This place has really become a .... box for hipsters, yuppies and Wannabes.
Hey SSG Chuck, do you remember sitting in Four Corners or Beef Steak Charlies and lighting up before and after dinner.
I was born and raised in Crooklyn, I mean Brooklyn
I was born and raised in Crooklyn, I mean Brooklyn
AAAAUUGH Beef Steak Charlies... The 1st girl I ever asked out was in front of that place on 3rd Ave in Brooklyn. I skated up to her (with all my friends) and asked if she wanted to be my girlfriend. She said sure. Then we kissed.
We broke up 2 weeks later outside the KFC on 5th Ave.
Nothing lasts forever!
We broke up 2 weeks later outside the KFC on 5th Ave.
Nothing lasts forever!
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