NYC bans ecigs indoors. The mind boggles.

[navigator2011]

The problem is that drug community has been combating smoking cessation as simply a nicotine addiction. There is more to "smoking" than being addicted to nicotine.

The Nicotine withdrawal symptoms last only a couple of days. Within a couple of days of smoking the body is clean of nicotine, but as we know, being "off" nicotine is just part of the problem.

There is the "hand to mouth" behavior, the oral fixation, the social habit, the feel of the throat hit....NONE of the available smoking cessation products address all these issues except e-cigs.

Even if Nicorette gum tasted good, I wouldn't substitue chewing gum for taking a nice hit.

A patch gives you no sensory feedback at all except a time released dose and some local skin irritation.

Only e-cigs provide a method to address all of the habit forming behaviors linked to smoking, while allowing the user to selectively cut down on his nicotine usage. That is why they are so effective. I can slowly lower my nicotine intake so that I don't have the withdrawal symptoms while still satisfying the other smoking behaviors.

Yes, it's a mind fake, but a rather effective one.

Yep, that's absolutely true. My only point is that regular folks that don't smoke and always hated the smell (we all have some relatives like this) should be welcoming vaping, rather than discouraging and sending many back to analogs.

I don't want FDA regulation, yes, but in reality, it is a sort of cure to cig smoking, FDA approved or not

That is exactly how I view it, and how I presented it to my non-smoking relatives.

 

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

Good thing I don't use an electronic cigarette, as the article says they kinds look like real cigs.

What I use looks more like a light saber. it's called a "battery powered flavor maker". Based on the language of the ban, I'm good!

 

[SmellYaLaterCigs]

 

[MD_Boater]

Out of your list, three of them are not harmful to others. One of your items is much more complicated and doesn't belong, IMO, as a comparison to activities, like vaping, that also does not harm others. I'm not wanting to get into a discussion that isn't relevant to the vaping issue. But I feel strongly that one item does not fit with a discussion of things that don't harm others. No disrespect intended but just don't see it the same way.

Thank you, vv. I was trying to find a way to say that. That one item is like anlaogs in that the end result is always the same.

 

[p.opus]

Good thing I don't use an electronic cigarette, as the article says they kinds look like real cigs.

What I use looks more like a light saber. it's called a "battery powered flavor maker". Based on the language of the ban, I'm good!

Good thing I don't own one of those nasty e-cigs either.

My MVP2 is actually a multi purpose power supply with the ability to charge various electronic devices and provide power to an external atomizer to vaporize a variety of liquids for experimental use only.

 

[retired1]

Moved to Media and General News

 

[Pinggolfer]

Thank you, vv. I was trying to find a way to say that. That one item is like anlaogs in that the end result is always the same.

It's the law and a woman's right.

 

[Uma]

The ANTZ never change. But us gullible, persecuted, taxpayers do, & I don't know about you, but I'm fighting mad, not .....whipped. Maybe it's time to roll back the clock & stand up for justice.
Second-Hand Smoke: Smoke Screen? | PBS NewsHour | July 21, 1998 | PBS

I remember an article where the eps dude or someone confessed that they knew SHS wasn't harmful but they went forward with the persecuting & severe taxing for the "good of the smoker".

 

[Uma]

Check out MJM's comment!
Here is a partial quote
"opposition to e-cigs comes from the same group of crazies that formed the main push for smoking bans. Google "V.Gen5H" and read the pdf booklet, "The Lies Behind The Smoking Bans," you'll find there and you'll see the same pattern of exaggerations, techniques, manipulations, and outright lies."

ff to google "V.Gen5H and read the PDF:

 

[navigator2011]

It's the law and a woman's right.

It's only a "right" because it's the law, and as well all have been saying here, some laws boggle the mind.

 

[Uma]

Wow, that was an eye opening read. I knew how poor the states had become after the bans, but reading the PDF highlights it extremely well, especially in Calif.
Connecting the dots, about how restaurants & especially bars were closing left & right since the bans, it occurred to me that a stronger agenda was at work behind the scenes. Remembering back to the prohibition days of alcohol, I did a little digging. Sure enough, it was Germany who first advocated against smoking and alcohol. Hitler, being in love with America's Eugenics ideology, followed California's eugentics ideology to the max. Hitler banned smoking, America banned alcohol, ... they both lost the war after many incredibly battles of lives lost. Today, we see Hitler type craziness in every state, especially Calif & NYC. You all know all this already, I'm sure, but many of us are in denial despite what the times say. They are banning smoking because they don't like it, & they are banning smoking because the bans are destroying our bars, pubs, casinos, our social outlets for adults. They are killing 3 birds with one stone.
Here's one simple background Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Pinggolfer]

Wow, that was an eye opening read. I knew how poor the states had become after the bans, but reading the PDF highlights it extremely well, especially in Calif.
Connecting the dots, about how restaurants & especially bars were closing left & right since the bans, it occurred to me that a stronger agenda was at work behind the scenes. Remembering back to the prohibition days of alcohol, I did a little digging. Sure enough, it was Germany who first advocated against smoking and alcohol. Hitler, being in love with America's Eugenics ideology, followed California's eugentics ideology to the max. Hitler banned smoking, America banned alcohol, ... they both lost the war after many incredibly battles of lives lost. Today, we see Hitler type craziness in every state, especially Calif & NYC. You all know all this already, I'm sure, but many of us are in denial despite what the times say. They are banning smoking because they don't like it, & they are banning smoking because the bans are destroying our bars, pubs, casinos, our social outlets for adults. They are killing 3 birds with one stone.
Here's one simple background Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please for the countless millions of slaughtered humans don't associate hitler with the banning of smoking or ecigs. No state is using hitler tactics to ban ecigs.

 

[navigator2011]

Well, history is what it is, and Hitler definitely had an incredible, first ever anti-smoking program. It is interesting, however, that Germany drew heavily on American ideology and theories, particularly those concerning genetics developed in California.

 

[Pinggolfer]

Well, history is what it is, and Hitler definitely had an incredible, first ever anti-smoking program. It is interesting, however, that Germany drew heavily on American ideology and theories, particularly those concerning genetics developed in California.

Hitler was obsessed with Napoleon and the extermination of the Jews and Russians. His troops and officers smoked.

 

[navigator2011]

Although that's a true statement, it is an over simplification of the subject. The Nazis had a contribution to the tobacco-question, whether we like it or not. It is what it is. Just my opinion.

 

[klynnn]

Well half of calif is almost bankrupt since they only cater to a certain segment of the population that doesn't pay taxes, why not NY next. Sooner or later this will become the american way. Keep voting for the current groups in office. You reap what you sow.

 

[Uma]

Well half of calif is almost bankrupt since they only cater to a certain segment of the population that doesn't pay taxes, why not NY next. Sooner or later this will become the american way. Keep voting for the current groups in office. You reap what you sow.

It is not our fault, we are not to blame. The voting system is to blame. Once that's changed, we will indeed be happy to take the blame, but until then, it's a moot theory that voters are to blame.
Sidetracking with politics, shaming & blaming won't make the facts disappear.

 

[navigator2011]

Well, it seems like no what the people of California vote on, the courts and the local and state gov'ment just go ahead and do whatever they want anyways, majority rule be damned.

 

[AegisPrime]

Please for the countless millions of slaughtered humans don't associate hitler with the banning of smoking or ecigs. No state is using hitler tactics to ban ecigs.

Somebody posted this quote from Mein Kampf recently:

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”

Whilst I wouldn't liken any current regime to that of Nazi Germany, I can't help but be concerned that many of Hitler's methods for manipulating his citizens are alive and well in world leaders today.

*Edit* another one to ponder:

“The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.”

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Good quote:

George Santayana, philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist. (1863-1952)

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Just had to go and find the original.