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NYT: Peering Through the Haze

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  1. BuGlen

    BuGlen Divergent ECF Veteran

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    Mar 6, 2012
    Tampa, Florida
    A follow up article on the CDC report in the NY Times, emphasizing the historic drop in combustible cigarette consumption by teens and giving credit to e-cigs.

  2. Tache

    Tache Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jun 25, 2013
    BC Canada
    OMG!!! A journalist who chose to look beyond the headlines AND used logic in forming his opinions (it was an opinion piece after all), while still presenting both sides of the story - this one's a "keeper".
  3. OCD

    OCD Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2012
    California, Kern
    Awesome find BuGlen, imagine how could one explain a 25% drop in teen smoking in a single year... a 42% drop in just a few years and single digit current use that has never been seen in how many decades of tobacco control in the lead of controlling tobacco. Boggling to imagine how one would explain that.
  4. CES

    CES optimistic cynic Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2010
    Birmingham, Al
    This was a good one. Nocera has been fairly reasonable about looking at e-cigs. Glad someone is.
  5. choochoogranny

    choochoogranny Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 21, 2013
    chattanooga, tn, usa
    Thank you, BuGlen! :) Will share some happy news for a change on Facebook.
  6. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    good find.
    i posted a response in the comments section.
    i hope it gets through the moderation.
    (they did post it.)
    E-cigarettes are nicotine delivery systems. They are also have high potential for exploitative marketing to vulnerable youth for deliver other harmful products, encouraging frequent ingestion of damaging substances and normalizing other high-risk behaviors (other drug consumption, for example) in settings where e-cigarettes are heavily used. The fact that tobacco-based nicotine carries much greater disease risks is important, and a drop in tobacco consumption is certainly welcome. But it is very poor thinking from a public health perspective to hold that using less-damaging but still-dangerous products at a much higher rate is a good thing. It is also poor logic: Damage can equal or exceed previous harm levels. The goal should be to stop all high-risk ingestion, and to keep public policy pressing for gains in that direction, rather than settling for half a toxic loaf. Get a grip, Mr. Nocera. The CDC got it right.

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    you are correct in assuming it does no good to switch or try some that may be less harmful. after all its still smoking,right? trading one addiction for another. one should quit the approved way or keep smoking cigarettes. i for one would never consider using a product that is 3 to 5 orders of magnitude safer than cigarettes as it would expose me to the potential of harm of that of drinking tap water to maybe no harm at all.

  7. BuGlen

    BuGlen Divergent ECF Veteran

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    Mar 6, 2012
    Tampa, Florida
    How much do you want to bet that your sarcasm will be lost on quite a few people who closely follow the ANTZ dogma? :facepalm:
  8. pennysmalls

    pennysmalls Squonkmeister Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 26, 2013
    I really liked this article, a lot. Shared on facebook.
  9. WhiteHighlights

    WhiteHighlights Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 26, 2013
    Boston, MA, USA
    The article is good, but the anti's are winning the comment section.. 'it's too soon to know the risks', 'we don't know what's in there', regulate - especially those candy flavors, and attacking Joe for the perspective. It's a scary world out there.
  10. mctess

    mctess Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 22, 2013
    Tucson, AZ, USA
    ...deleted... read the rest of the comment and see it was sarcasm.. :2cool:
  11. OCD

    OCD Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2012
    California, Kern
    Sadly the comments section isnt where the antz are winning. It is the repeat it enough and it becomes true IRL where they are winning, doesnt matter how outrageous the lie nor the real consequences in terms of human health tell a lie enough times in mainstream media and you will make enough of the 30 second blip public believe it to win the game.

    I am honestly quite saddened to have lost my faith in the greater good prevailing.
  12. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    That's not always a bad thing, depending on the definition of 'greater good'. The ANTZ purport to operate off that same goal. For any minority, even if it's the smallest minority - the individual - the 'greater good', which often reflects majority opinion, is almost always an enemy.
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