Obama signs anti-smoking bill

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kylewinther

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Amen! You have the right idea, if more people could act on it, the word would spread!

I have just read through 26 pages because I am interested in the topic (I'm a government teacher; not that it qualifies me on the topic or anything of the sort). I am interested in ideas for a solution. However our device and juice has not officially been banned that I know of. So I guess we would be looking for more of a "prevention" of that happening. I agree with a previous poster who stated that most people have no clue about PVs or their benefits. A step in the right direction would be to simply get the word out. Perception is a valuable ally. If the government or an interest group get the word out, it will most likely carry a negative connotation. If we, as users of the product, get the word out, the perception could be more positive. Signing a petition is not a bad thing, but our actions can not stop there. We need to have our voice be heard; this can be in our circle of influence (family, friends, workplace, etc) or on a grander scale. But in any case, proactivity and prevention are key.
 

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Nice attempt at a smear with the Daily Kos comment. It's completely irrelevant and a flat out mischaracterization, but it's a nice try none the less.

If you want to get tied up in criticisms of surface issues like protocol, then you're welcome to do that. But as long as you ignore the deeper issues this discussion isn't going to progress much beyond the nominal partisan rhetorical attacks.

Why would Daily Kos be a smear? Just pointing out the fact that you can see that same type of 'commentary' there. That's a fact, want me to prove it? (this one's a lay up ;-)

I was not addressing the "deeper issues" of smearing the Bush family, but, once again!, you're the 'victim of an attack', when in fact I was just clearing up an earlier misstatement by someone else, not you, but you evidently interpreted it into some kind of an attack on Obama, and you felt obliged, somehow, (I think we all know why ;-) to answer something that wasn't addressed to you.

Free speech, so go right ahead, but then don't play a victim when someone points out that it had nothing whatsoever to do with what you go on babbling about, no matter what the actual subject is. Then, somehow you always find a way to turn it into some attack... on YOU! Sad really, but I find it amusing.

I'm not 'tied up in protocol'. I just made the point that it _was_ protocol. Something that earlier poster failed to mention (or didn't actually know, took the still and didn't see the video, who knows?) That the Bush family has business ties is no secret. Obama has ties in Kenya with people with similar oppressive and murdering 'friends', but I don't make the link that he somehow is responsible for that or that he somehow sanctions it. If that connection can be made then Roosevelt sanctioned Hitler by his negotiations, or Wilson sanctioned WW I Germany by adopting parts of their socialism, pre-war.

Now, don't go taking those analogies as some other "attack". They are not. They are benign analogies pointed out in the negative - ie. follow me here, that I do _not_ make the same points with them, that you are with the Bush family. Got it?


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Enough with the Obama smears. Our history books conveniently leave out a myriad of details about our illustrious leaders. Obama is not a Muslim, has produced a birth certificate showing his birth in Hawaii, is not the anti-Christ, does not bow to Saudi kings, etc. Here's one for the Bush fans.
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If you're responding to me, my mention of Kenya had nothing to do with whether or not Obama has a valid certificate of birth.



He did once, that we know of.... on tape. For all except the blind, to see.
There was a PDF version of the birth certificate for anyone insane enough to believe that he is not a citizen. As for following protocol and bowing in the presence of those who practice such rituals, there is an old saying, "when in Rome..."
 

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Don't address the actual points... no really, for your sake, Don't. :)

So when "being a victim" doesn't work, you go back to quasi-ad hominem. Lol.

What's endlessly hilarious here is that you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing. No sense of irony, I guess.

Good luck!
 

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What's endlessly hilarious here is that you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing. No sense of irony, I guess.

Good luck!

Youre obviously an intelligent individual. However, twisting peoples words around to try and make them look in the wrong is quite unbecoming. Not everyone has to agree with you. Accept it. When I first got here I was impressed with your posts. In this thread it seems like you have an agenda you want to follow. Whether thats true or not, thats how what you have been saying in this thread struct me.

Im sure you'll call this a smear on your character yada-yada. Just think about it.
 

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There was a PDF version of the birth certificate for anyone insane enough to believe that he is not a citizen.

I happen to agree. I was not making that point.

As for following protocol and bowing in the presence of those who practice such rituals, there is an old saying, "when in Rome..."

Ok. First you said 'he doesn't bow to kings,' now it's 'when in Rome'. Which is it?
 

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Not everyone has to agree with you. Accept it.

That's basically the simplest rejoinder anyone can throw. It can be said of anyone who defends a particular viewpoint. As such, it's really a meaningless criticism, especially in light of the fact that I routinely admit when I'm wrong and have even done so in this very thread.
 

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What's endlessly hilarious here is that you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing. No sense of irony, I guess.

Good luck!

Ah, now it's 'no sense of ____ ' (fill in the blank). You've used 'humor' for denec where black and white 'fills in the void' and now 'irony'. Do you have all of these on macros. lol. You just hit a few function keys. Is that why all your responses seem alike? A change of adjective, adverb, nasty noun variation. A 'destroys your credibility' here, 'amazingly weak' there, a 'lame' here, a 'crap' there. You got 'er down.

Got to get my daily 'you da man' email off to Rush now, so later...


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It must be fun living the life of a stereotype.

That's the reply you were expecting, right? I mean, when you set up the rules of the game, you shouldn't be surprised when people play to them. As I said before, maybe you should look in a mirror once in a while, because you're doing every single thing you're accusing me of... in spades.

Now, shall we return to a discussion of the topic, or are you planning on continuing to address my posting style? It's a fine deflection tactic, but it really doesn't make for very interesting conversation.
 

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It must be fun living the life of a stereotype.

Let me guess.... F7? ;-)

Ok. I'll desist in reducing your BS down to essences, so you can continue with it. Someone is likely to buy into it. Go ahead and continue to inform us why Obama _had_ to sign the bill, for pragmatic political purposes. You're probably right on that point. At least it isn't a shutout.



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Sherid and I find a basis for agreement.

What a pathetic crock this "discussion" has turned out to be. This forum is about e-cigs and it would be desirable to limit discussions to something relevant, and without insertion of partisan political talking points.
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PROTOCOL. You insinuate that he is bowing to show inferiority. He is simply doing what leaders of state do in this country....NOTHING MORE

Exactly. Which is why I was pointing out the qualitative difference between following established protocol for a state visit and developing a long lasting family to family relationship in both the business and personal realm.
 
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