OD on One Hit?

[briden]

I've been vaping for a week now using EVODs w/12mg nic. No issues prior to today. Cleaned and dry burned one of my EVODs last night and loaded up some new butterscotch juice (still 12mg) I'd just picked up. Vaped the new juice, maybe 10-12 puffs over the course of a few hours. I did notice that some of the puffs seemed to produce a greater than normal effect, but it was late, I'd been vaping all day, and did a bunch of samples at the shop which were all 24mg. So I just chalked it up. No biggie...

Took my first hit this morning and got an OD. Sweaty, dizzy, nauseous, disoriented. Was very worried for a while. EMS crossed my mind. It subsided somewhat after maybe 5 min. After that, the symptoms kinda cycled in and out a few more times, but not as intensely as the first time. After a little over an hour I started feeling more normal.

So after all that I started looking at my gear and juice and noticed that the juice was separated in the bottle. Clear on the bottom, orange on top. Didn't notice that last night, nor did it appear to be that way in the EVOD, though it is hard to tell through the small window.

I'm thinking the juice didn't get mixed properly. Got lucky last night with it having mixed slightly when I filled the tank. So the EVOD sat overnight, the juice fully separated again, and when I picked it up this morning, all the base went to the bottom and I vaped mostly xx/mg base.

Does that sound like a reasonable explanation to anyone else??

 

[longrod111]

disoriented

Wow man, that's kinda scary. Disoriented? Maybe too much nic? I don't know but giving this a bump.

 

[Fisheeboy]

I've been vaping for a week now using EVODs w/12mg nic. No issues prior to today. Cleaned and dry burned one of my EVODs last night and loaded up some new butterscotch juice (still 12mg) I'd just picked up. Vaped the new juice, maybe 10-12 puffs over the course of a few hours. I did notice that some of the puffs seemed to produce a greater than normal effect, but it was late, I'd been vaping all day, and did a bunch of samples at the shop which were all 24mg. So I just chalked it up. No biggie...

Took my first hit this morning and got an OD. Sweaty, dizzy, nauseous, disoriented. Was very worried for a while. EMS crossed my mind. It subsided somewhat after maybe 5 min. After that, the symptoms kinda cycled in and out a few more times, but not as intensely as the first time. After a little over an hour I started feeling more normal.

So after all that I started looking at my gear and juice and noticed that the juice was separated in the bottle. Clear on the bottom, orange on top. Didn't notice that last night, nor did it appear to be that way in the EVOD, though it is hard to tell through the small window.

I'm thinking the juice didn't get mixed properly. Got lucky last night with it having mixed slightly when I filled the tank. So the EVOD sat overnight, the juice fully separated again, and when I picked it up this morning, all the base went to the bottom and I vaped mostly xx/mg base.

Does that sound like a reasonable explanation to anyone else??

You need to shake your vapor liquid pretty well each time before refilling you vaporizer. From what I understand vaping nic accumulates in the system more than cig nic. But I think If you remember to shake the liquid before refill it will help disperse the nic throughout you entire bottle. It aint goona kill ya. Headaches and nausea are likely.

 

[Nataani]

The OD limit is 40 - 60 mg. To absorb 40 mg quick enough you would have to vape about 3.5 ml (a protank worth) of 24 mg juice in about 15 minutes.

Even if the base was intended to produce 12 mg in the finished result, you were probably only vaping 18 mg/ml max of the base intended for that batch. I guess it is possible that you got some of the pure base in your juice... if you truly think that is the case then I would never buy from that supplier again.

It seems more likely that you had an allergic reaction to something. You said that the juice was butterscotch? My wife has allergic reactions to any juice that contains cinnamon. Symptoms include dizziness, headaches, disorientation. This is because the cinnamon additive in the juices breaks down into an aldehyde, which is what she is actually allergic to. For the same reason she is allergic to aspartame (used in many diet products as a sweetener), since it breaks down into formaldehyde.

 

[briden]

It seems more likely that you had an allergic reaction to something. You said that the juice was butterscotch? My wife has allergic reactions to any juice that contains cinnamon. Symptoms include dizziness, headaches, disorientation. This is because the cinnamon additive in the juices breaks down into an aldehyde, which is what she is actually allergic to. For the same reason she is allergic to aspartame (used in many diet products as a sweetener), since it breaks down into formaldehyde.

I vaped the Butterscotch (24mg) at the store. Couple good puffs. No issue. Vaped it last night, and like I said above, i noticed a little more intense NIC effect, but didn't really think anything of it.

It's almost 3 hours now since that hit this morning, and I still feel the NIC.

I'm fairly certain it's not an allergic reaction.

 

[Asmo6]

It seems more likely that you had an allergic reaction to something. You said that the juice was butterscotch? My wife has allergic reactions to any juice that contains cinnamon. Symptoms include dizziness, headaches, disorientation. This is because the cinnamon additive in the juices breaks down into an aldehyde, which is what she is actually allergic to. For the same reason she is allergic to aspartame (used in many diet products as a sweetener), since it breaks down into formaldehyde.

I have a gas station brand that will do this to me out of a clearomizer. Drip it, or put it in a glass tank and it's fine. (Albeit a little harsh) Put it in a Kanger T3 and I'm spinny, tired, and generally sick.

My guess is it attacks the plastic, and whatever comes out of that reaction... messes me up.

 

[Fisheeboy]

If you really think it's the nic you can always step it down to a lower mg

 

[yzer]

Dude. That some BAD juice. Throw it away or throw at the vendor.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I had purchased some 36mgnic juice in rasberry, the wife wanted to know what it smelled like so I took a big hit and puffed it her way... she took a big wiff and she got a headache and fussed a tad about being "urpie". We came to the conclusion that the 36nic lvl is what did her in. We again tried my normal vape 24ishnic and no reaction on her part....

 

[Thrasher]

Just so it's clear Nic sick from over exposure and OD-ing are very far apart, you would have to put up with vaping through the nic sick feeling for sometime to get anywhere near a lethal dose.

there is always a chance a few things happened.

the tank was working at optimal efficiency for a bit
the juice you have been vaping is lower mg then stated or older and the nic is degraded some
or simply the new juice is very fresh and may be a tad higher then stated if not mixed exactly to proportion (as I do, it says 16 but in reality it is closer to 17 - 18mg as i round everything off).

in many cases people find a device that works very efficiently and end up having to lower the nic level to continue using it.

 

[doghair]

I smoked like a locomotive with no effects of the nicotine I could notice. I figured I could be at least at 18 and maybe 24. That almost knocked me down. I'm at 12 when I can space it out, like at work and am at 6 at home when I puff away a lot more. I'm still thinking of going down more. Thanks for the reminder of shaking the bottle before refilling, I have been forgetting that.

 

[briden]

Just so it's clear Nic sick from over exposure and OD-ing are very far apart, you would have to put up with vaping through the nic sick feeling for sometime to get anywhere near a lethal dose.

there is always a chance a few things happened.

the tank was working at optimal efficiency for a bit
the juice you have been vaping is lower mg then stated or older and the nic is degraded some
or simply the new juice is very fresh and may be a tad higher then stated if not mixed exactly to proportion (as I do, it says 16 but in reality it is closer to 17 - 18mg as i round everything off).

in many cases people find a device that works very efficiently and end up having to lower the nic level to continue using it.

OD may be too strong a term, but OD also does not necessarily = lethal.

I'm no stranger to the effects of drugs, inhaled or otherwise. What I experienced as the symptoms were peaking had me considering telling my wife to call 911 or take me to the hospital. Granted, I'm not 20 something anymore, and definitely don't feel as invincible, but I'm also not prone to overreact.

What you state sounds reasonable, but it just doesn't add up. The shop where I bought the juice has their samples at 24mg. I did a dozen or more hits across various juices over the course of 5 minutes, and I definitely did feel the effects and then stopped sampling. But it was simply a little too much rush... kind of like the feeling from hotboxing an analog, minus the oxygen deprivation. Expected and no big deal. 15 min later, I'm vaping again and feeling fine. No comparison to what I experienced yesterday.

And I keep thinking about finding the juice separated in the bottle. I shook it after that and it has not separated again since. I think it's safe to conclude that they did not mix the juice when they made my bottle. So my next question is, what mg/ml NIC base are they using?

I'm going to try and get back there today to have a conversation with them and find out.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Freshly made juice can sometimes separate because they need to be steeped. Shake and place in bowl of hot tap water until it cools. Shake and do the same again.

 

[Txaggiesaunt]

Could be it was mixed wrong. Also I don't like the idea of it being separated like that. Sounds like they might be using oils for flavoring which are a no no. Always shake well before filling your tank. But I don't think I would use that juice anymore & I would ask them what kind of flavoring they use. Ask about oils. If that is the case, don't buy from them anymore. Good luck & VAPE ON

 

[Txaggiesaunt]

Freshly made juice can sometimes separate because they need to be steeped. Shake and place in bowl of hot tap water until it cools. Shake and do the same again.

I've never seen one that separated except when using essential oils.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I've never seen one that separated except when using essential oils.

I've had a few separate. Fresh juice with cinnamon almost always has this issue. A high VG juice can also cause problems. As far as using oils in juice I've never done it but there is a small group of seasoned DIY Vets here that regularly use oils in their recipes- small amounts though.

 

[briden]

Could be it was mixed wrong. Also I don't like the idea of it being separated like that. Sounds like they might be using oils for flavoring which are a no no. Always shake well before filling your tank. But I don't think I would use that juice anymore & I would ask them what kind of flavoring they use. Ask about oils. If that is the case, don't buy from them anymore. Good luck & VAPE ON

Oh, trust me, I have/will not use that juice again. Gotta dump/clean my EVOD and will probably just replace the head. Likely done with that store once I settle this matter.

I don't know what's normal in b&m stores, but at this place you tell them what flavor/nic/qty you want and they go mix it up in back. I never was told nor thought on my own to make sure the juice was properly mixed/wasn't separated.

 

[kalex]

I get same thing. Very strange. I fill carto that came with magma kit and it works fine. i had 18mg juice that i used without issues. as soon as i switch to my mvp2 and protank 2 i get these effects after 3-4 puffs. very strange. I cut my nic level to 6 and still get it. no idea why

 

[*deleon517*]

if the b&m is mixing on the spot its very likely they are using closer to the 100mg/ml. That would give them the most profit when mixing to lower ratio's or even 24mg. if it was that unsettled where you could simply see the difference between top and bottom its very likely it wasnt mixed right. I always shake for 5-10 minutes after mixing. then will shake before each fill for a day or 2.

There are many places online where you can get fresh made to order juice that have great reputations, and not pay as much as a b&m. I have several here by me and they are last minute resorts, when my supply/order isnt matching up and I really need something.

 

[briden]

if the b&m is mixing on the spot its very likely they are using closer to the 100mg/ml. That would give them the most profit when mixing to lower ratio's or even 24mg. if it was that unsettled where you could simply see the difference between top and bottom its very likely it wasnt mixed right. I always shake for 5-10 minutes after mixing. then will shake before each fill for a day or 2.

There are many places online where you can get fresh made to order juice that have great reputations, and not pay as much as a b&m. I have several here by me and they are last minute resorts, when my supply/order isnt matching up and I really need something.

I just ordered a test kit from eliquidtest.com, and will be testing that juice from the tank and bottle separately. Very curious to see those results.