Odd, Cartomizers work but atty's don't.

[Cil]

Hi,

I have a GGTB and it's brilliant. (actually I have two)

This is the problem, I'm using 2 x 17340 3V LiFeP04 plus normal 510 Cartomizer and it hit's every time although I do get through a lot of them but, what the hell.

Now if I put a standard 510 atty it will not fire at all, if I change the batteries over to 2 x CR2's everything is dandy

I've cocked about with the pin and the spring and cleaned it and done a rain dance and can occasionally get it to fire with the LiFeP04's but just can't understand it.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks.

NB.
Unfortunately it did start raining

 

[Goldenkobold]

Imeo is apparently releasing a new spring, compared to what I got, as per his recent post with the 510 http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/171646-ggtb-510-cap.html

all GGTB users get new springs whenever they are released according to Imeo's comments on this subforum so I guess you can just get the new spring for free...maybe it will solve your issue?

 

[Cil]

Something weird going on here, I have now tried this on three GGTB's two shiny and one aluminium all have exactly the same issues, I've even taken the spring out and buggered about with connection really odd can't put my finger on it.

 

[imeothanasis]

Hi Cil, welcome buddy

You said that in 3 GGTBs you have the same problem witch is:

They fire with 2x17340 and a carto
They fire with 2xcr2 and an atomizer
They DONT fire with 2x17340 and an atomizer?

Am I right or I read wrong?

 

[Cil]

Hi Imeo, (great product by they way)

That's exactly it, if I use 2 x cr2's everything works atty's & Carto's, but only the carto's work with 2 x 17340, most odd.

Thanks mate.

 

[imeothanasis]

Cil, thats the most strange thing in the world. I dont have an explanation lol

GG fires with 17340 so they are ok inside GG
GG fires with cr2 so they are ok inside GG
GG fires with any battery and a carto
GG doesnt fire with some batteries and an atomizer.

But how is this possible if it fires with some batteries and an atomizer when the batteries that doesnt fire are ok with a carto? lol

 

[Cil]

No bloody idea! have you tried it? Not a big problem for me as I use Cartos most of the time, I think it must be the batteries but just can't put my finger on it!

 

[Cil]

sorry to double post,

But maybe when the native 510 connection come out it might solve it.....love the ggtb the iPhone of mods

 

[imeothanasis]

ok, if it fires with 17340 means that batteries are ok and they make the contact with spring. So if you put a carto GG fires. But if you put an atomizer doesnt fire. The conclution would be that the atomizer that doesnt fire doesnt contact the center pole of GG. But then how this atomizer fires with cr2?

Thats magic !!

Maybe someone else has an explanation here.

 

[Donkino]

Does it rattle at all if you shake it with the 17340's and atty installed. It's got to be a length problem. With the 2 cr2's installed I assume you are using the telescopic battery, but not with 17340's. If that's the case, you might have short 17340's. I've got four pairs of 17340's on the go and there is at least 4mm difference in their overall length! Try either stretching the spring a tad or some spacer magnets. Hope this helps.

 

[NewUnit16]

The only way I am thinking this is possible is that the atomiser has a much lower resistance than the cartomiser. In this case it would make sense only if the batteries that do not work with the lower resistance atomiser are low drain, and that the over-drain protection circuit is kicking in causing it to not fire.

Are you able to check the resistance of the atomiser and cartomiser? And/or verify the batteries are high discharge or low discharge?

 

[Cil]

Thanks Chris, you must be right - Batteries are from Liberty Flights just look like generic 17340's so would guess they aren't high discharge, unfortunately can't check resistance but all logic says you're correct.

 

[imeothanasis]

Chris, that was a very nice explanation. Cil, I think we found the issue. It was so strange to me and my mind didnt think of that. Thanks Chris

 

[NewUnit16]

I have worked technical support for a few different companies so I'm rather adjusted to thinking of strange possibilities.

 

[imeothanasis]

Its nice to have you here Chris

 

[buGG]

funny thing is that i don't believe that those LiFePO4 batteries have any sort of protection circuitry, so an excessive amp draw shouldn't cut them off. however, these are likely being stressed with the 510 setup you're using. if you bought your 510 cartomiser from LF too, it should be a 2.2Ω SLB 510, pretty much the same resistance as a genuine Joyetech 510 atty. so both configurations could be demanding about 2.7 Amps, which is a lot, but without the protection circuitry to cut off the excessive drain, the batteries should just offer up what they can until they can't offer anything at all. all of this is to say that both the carto and the atty should be able to fire equally as well with the same batteries, but neither should do it for long because you're generating over 16 watts with either one. because you've tried this arrangement on more than one GGTB with the same results and since the 510 atomizer works with other battery setups, i think it's quite possibly a spacing issue where contact is not being made somewhere along the line from the atty to the aftermarket adapter to the center pin on the 901 to the telescopic battery to the actual battery, etc. as donkino said, stretching the spring could help here. maybe try a quick and harmless current test with your 510 adapter on and make sure you get a little tingle on the tongue with the desired battery setup inside and then put the atty or carto on. if you don't get the tingle from the 901 adapter, it's probably spacing with the telescopic battery and/or spring to account for variations in battery length, but when you get that tingle, put the 510 adapter on, test again, and if all is well, connect the atty. this might help, or i might have just added more confusion, but i hope you get everything working for you!

 

[Cil]

Hi buGG,

OK, with 2 x LiFePO4 17340 you do not require the telescopic false battery these 2 batteries reach just, .5 of a millimetre, below the top of the metal tube. Effectively I can put 2 x cr2's plus false battery and everything works, take them out put 2 x LifePO4 17340 (leave the set up exactly the same) and it doesn't fire this is with atty's and I have tried many.
The reason this came to light was when testing used atty's to see if they were dead, I have a hat box with all my paraphernalia in, as was a little surprised when every atty came up dead! Thought there was something fishy so changed batteries for 2 x cr2's and they all worked

Don't know if this makes sense as have taken 2 phones calls whilst typing this........

 

[buGG]

what you're saying makes perfect sense, but what you're experiencing is definitely strange. as long as the batteries end up slightly above the threads of the GGTB it shouldn't be a contact issue; at least not when your CR2s work with the TB and same adapter, atty, etc. the fact that those batteries work with the cartos but not the attys is just weird. i wish i knew what the remedy was, but you may have to try the rain dance again.

 

[Cil]

Yep is weird,

I've tried all the logical things (or at least logical to me) so have 2 'heads' of the ggtb one with a 510 carto one with a 510 atty, the 2 ggtb bodies have 2 x LiFePO4 in one and the other 2 x cr2's with the false battery. So, you can put the top with the carto on both and it works, you put the top with the atty on both and only the cr2 ggtb works.

Stupid isn't it,

Well back to the rain dance, although it has been sunny for 2 days and we don't want too much of a good thing