Official DNA 40 introduction

[cobalt327]

I'm sure it would please a few folks if all the problems were ignored/swept under the carpet. But honestly, who would benefit from this? Certainly not the owners of bad boards...

I don't understand.... how is it being swept under the carpet? Evolv is certainly not doing that from what I see...do you think they are? Owners of bad boards need only to RMA them...one year warranty by Evolv...at least that's my understanding...noting this is not a debate but rather a discussion...

Reread the first sentence of my post above- I didn't say anything was being swept under the carpet- just that it would be a relief to some if it were. As it now stands, nothing is being swept under the carpet thanks in large part to threads like this, threads that continue to document both the successes as well as any/all issues related to not just problems w/the dna board, but possible problems w/builds, attys, etc. Semantics aside, feel free to call this dialog whatever you're comfortable with.

 

[druckle]

Delicious. I should start checking my cholesterol levels though. Nothing that good can be healthy

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

Where I was raised in the "bible belt" of the US I remember a silly thing I heard over and over from other kids.....
It went like this.............."All good things are either illegal, immoral or make you fat"
I haven't seen reason to doubt that since.
I'm pretty sure that bacon wrapped shrimp falls in there somewhere. Yummmmm!

 

[SavePaperVapor]

Just got the GCT tank. Lots of vapor, not much flavor. Perhaps the coil has to break in but as of now it's a disappointment.

 

[dr g]

That out of the way no one really tests production line style $15 dollar circuit boards. They may fire them up to see if they APPEAR to be working with no major and obvious failures. I personally doubt that they even do that and if they do it is most likely only on a sample basses on production batches anything more than that would be financially devastating.

Missed the video showing them testing boards?

http://youtu.be/4LPnEOwBAT8?t=46m6s

46:00

The conventional practice is to resolve problems as they manifest themselves. This is done by theorizing, testing, and stressing circuits know to have or demonstrated a particular problem. When causes can't be found fixes are created by theorizing potential cures and implementing them. The fix in many erratic or intermittent problems are via the process of elimination. Generally not done at the cost of the end user but thru Beta Testing. No - this is not an attack of Beta Testers but Evolv's implementation of Beta Testing and the resulting conclusions they came to by the results of their Beta Testing. Which in my opinion was very limited and poor evaluation of the results.

Knowing pretty much the whole story, you are talking out of your .... The beta testers found every known issue and niggle people complain about.

Now for the Hot Glue - There is no difference between the use of Hot Glue and Potting Compound (generally speaking). Potting electronic circuits has been use by the industry for generations and is part of JAN (Joint Army, Navy) specification when circuits must fit small packages, perform under extreme condition and be able to withstand harsh handling i.e. high "drop forces", moisture, and dirt. While Hot Glue itself my not meet JAN specs as a Potting Compound it is still a pretty good substitute. Yes it does make a circuit much harder to fix but then who attempts to fix a $15 dollar circuit board anyway. You pluck it out and replace it.

Only problem is what modders do with hot glue is not potting.

To the two beta testers (and you know whom you are) that seem to think you are the be all know all of the internal working of Evolv business practices and their circuit boards design I would suggest that you folks lighten up a little. You may not be as smart and all knowing as you think. Helpful suggestions from experience DNA40 users/builders would be much more helpful than to suggest to an end user with a problem "You just don't have the skills to understand, build and use DNA40 Chip Sets".

Or they might just know far more of all of those things than you give them credit for, and enough to know truth from bull..... They might just be sharing it with you, but you might just be refusing to accept it.

Can you believe he bought a FLIR camera for that review. They do not give those things away and his seemed to be one of the fancier ones with cropping ability to localize heat signatures. I was more impressed with his willingness to purchase the proper equipment for the review than the review itself - and I did think the review was as unbiased as I have seen with the exception of his preference of Plug&Play vaping gear which I whole heartedly agree with.

What I can't believe is how he bought the FLIR camera and used it so little in the review. He only answered one easy question with it: does the board accurately measure bare wire? He tackled NONE of the tough questions with it, and least of all did he use it to back up any of the claims he made which ostensibly formed his conclusion.

Of course most people are just dazzled by the sheer amount of information, but precious few realize how little it amounts to -- and how little it supports his conclusions. In the end it boils down to him .....ing. We've gotten far past the little niggles that apparently caused Phil to throw in the towel. We solve them with a few simple suggestions to new users, and the bottom line is if you don't want to be irritated you don't have to be.

BTW do you guys realize Phil was also a beta tester?

 

[druckle]

Missed the video showing them testing boards?

http://youtu.be/4LPnEOwBAT8?t=46m6s

46:00



Knowing pretty much the whole story, you are talking out of your .... The beta testers found every known issue and niggle people complain about.



Only problem is what modders do with hot glue is not potting.



Or they might just know far more of all of those things than you give them credit for, and enough to know truth from bull..... They might just be sharing it with you, but you might just be refusing to accept it.



What I can't believe is how he bought the FLIR camera and used it so little in the review. He only answered one easy question with it: does the board accurately measure bare wire? He tackled NONE of the tough questions with it, and least of all did he use it to back up any of the claims he made which ostensibly formed his conclusion.

Of course most people are just dazzled by the sheer amount of information, but precious few realize how little it amounts to -- and how little it supports his conclusions. In the end it boils down to him .....ing. We've gotten far past the little niggles that apparently caused Phil to throw in the towel. We solve them with a few simple suggestions to new users, and the bottom line is if you don't want to be irritated you don't have to be.

BTW do you guys realize Phil was also a beta tester?

dr g

Do you think Phil has an agenda like the other folks who have commented on problems with the DNA 40?

Oh bye the way, rude / crude suggestions of profanity don't impress!

 

[Woofer]

I think Phil was between a rock and a hard place.
I think he back pedaled to save face. (bowed under pressure if you prefer)

Whatever he reviewed is not like the rDNA40s I have.

OK let the heaping of vitriolic comments begin...

 

[druckle]

I think Phil was between a rock and a hard place.
I think he back pedaled to save face. (bowed under pressure if you prefer)

Whatever he reviewed is not like the rDNA40s I have.

OK let the heaping of vitriolic comments begin...

I don't think you will be getting vitriolic comments based on your post. I certainly hope not. You didn't question anyone's honesty/motives or call anyone crude names. You just stated your experience. I expect as long as all folks are free to relate their experience without pejorative response we should all be happy.

 

[RCHagy74]

I don't think you will be getting vitriolic comments based on your post. I certainly hope not. You didn't question anyone's honesty/motives or call anyone crude names. You just stated your experience. I expect as long as all folks are free to relate their experience without pejorative response we should all be happy.

Poltroon! You are wrong and go suck an egg.


Now I am happy... and running away.

 

[druckle]

Poltroon! You are wrong and go suck an egg.


Now I am happy... and running away.

I will be laughing for quite a while over this one! Thanks

 

[RCHagy74]

I will be laughing for quite a while over this one! Thanks

If one has nothing intelligent to contribute, at least do a bad drive-by comic routine.

 

[druckle]

If one has nothing intelligent to contribute, at least do a bad drive-by comic routine.

Good advice! I'll pass it on!

 

[BlueridgeDog]

This thread seems to have officially lost relevance to those trying to learn to build and use the DNA 40 chip. Perhaps it is time to start a new one with some sort of title that keeps things on track for those that want to build better nickel rigs and troubleshoot static resistance issues with their atty and mod building.

 

[Nu2Dis]

This thread seems to have officially lost relevance to those trying to learn to build and use the DNA 40 chip. Perhaps it is time to start a new one with some sort of title that keeps things on track for those that want to build better nickel rigs and troubleshoot static resistance issues with their atty and mod building.

 

[tchavei]

"Unofficial DNA 40 Support thread"?

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

 

[BlueridgeDog]

Here is my attempt at a place to talk about how to get TC chips to work with our atomizers, mods and coil builds:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...6-tc-builds-troubleshooting.html#post15413351

I use TC chips exclusively and will do my best to share the things I have found that work.

 

[tchavei]

Subscribed

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

 

[BNEAT]

Here is my attempt at a place to talk about how to get TC chips to work with our atomizers, mods and coil builds:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...6-tc-builds-troubleshooting.html#post15413351

I use TC chips exclusively and will do my best to share the things I have found that work.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/coil-builds/613433-dna-40-nr-nickel-builds.html

 

[BNEAT]

The conventional practice is to resolve problems as they manifest themselves. This is done by theorizing, testing, and stressing circuits know to have or demonstrated a particular problem. When causes can't be found fixes are created by theorizing potential cures and implementing them. The fix in many erratic or intermittent problems are via the process of elimination. Generally not done at the cost of the end user but thru Beta Testing. No - this is not an attack of Beta Testers but Evolv's implementation of Beta Testing and the resulting conclusions they came to by the results of their Beta Testing. Which in my opinion was very limited and poor evaluation of the results.

Knowing pretty much the whole story, you are talking out of your .... The beta testers found every known issue and niggle people complain about.

I re-read that 2 or 3 times, and I don't see where he was "talking out of his ...". If the Beta testers did their job and found every issue and Evolv used that information to resolve those issues, then why are we having this conversation?

 

[cobalt327]

Well, either the beta testers or Evolv or both dropped the ball. In this thread I'm reading that the testers caught EVERYTHING during the beta testing. So that leads me to believe one of two things: One- Evolv knowingly shipped boards that may well have been defective, or two- the BT'ers in fact DID NOT catch everything. 'Cause you can't have it both ways...

That aside, what really matters at this point (damage has already been done by whomever) is how Evolv has handled and will handle going forward, the resolution to the problems. So far, most have seemingly come to terms with the inconvenience of returning of devices and boards as well as the loss of use- it's not like the buyers have much choice but to come to terms with it all. I just hope all involved have learned something about the proper techniques for testing and marketing.

 

[HolmanGT]

Well, either the beta testers or Evolv or both dropped the ball. In this thread I'm reading that the testers caught EVERYTHING during the beta testing. So that leads me to believe one of two things: One- Evolv knowingly shipped boards that may well have been defective, or two- the BT'ers in fact DID NOT catch everything. 'Cause you can't have it both ways...

That aside, what really matters at this point (damage has already been done by whomever) is how Evolv has handled and will handle going forward, the resolution to the problems. So far, most have seemingly come to terms with the inconvenience of returning of devices and boards as well as the loss of use- it's not like the buyers have much choice but to come to terms with it all. I just hope all involved have learned something about the proper techniques for testing and marketing.

Cobalt,

One of the most offensive business practice that I ran into was when I RMAed a unit with a known failure condition and known by both Evolv and Vapor Flask and I had to pay for the return postage myself.

What kind of company does that. I personally can not think of one instance that I have ever run into that. Generally the RMA for a factory fault comes with an RMA number to track (my RMA had no RMA number) and packaging material post paid to return the item (something I never received).

Heck I can't remember any cellphone that I have purchased that didn't include that material in the box just incase you got a defective unit and might have to return it. Now that is the kind of high-tech consideration I have become used to. I even bought a Chinese Mod awhile back and it was defective (a known failure mode). I called the US supplier and they told me to just pitch it in the trash and a new one was on it's way to me the same day.

Oh - did you see the video posted for my benefit by "dr g" that showed them testing each and every board (so they claim). Slap it in a jig apply power make sure it doesn't smoke hit the up, down and fire button and make sure the display lights up. "Test done". That's not a unit test it is just a check for minimal functionality. Also the same guy that supposedly checks each and ever board is also the same guy that takes all the "Trouble Calls". He must be the busiest man at Evolv. I also noticed Evolv's concern for the law and the safety of their workers. When they showed their Conformal Coating area there was no OSHA approved spray booth. Oh they did give their people inhalations masks but that doesn't do much to keep the chemicals off the operators clothing and skin nor does it do anything for people working in other areas of the room that is open to the spray area. Sorry Cobalt, just had to take this opportunity to vent.