Official ProVari 3 Thread - P3

[The Ocelot]

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You can really go ALL OUT with the rocket scientist play, and make the finished ProVari, PhD setup look like a submarine launched Trident II D5 missile!!!

WHAT!!!!

Do it ProVape!!! ProVari, PhD!!!

That reminds me of an image I posted in a blog I wrote when the eVic was first released. Notably, the "spurt" was in joyetech's graphic, I didn't add it. China isn't known for subtlety.

 

[p.opus]

It seems like this thread is screaming for some data from this device, so over the weekend I collected some data and threw it in a chart. Initially I was interested in what the HotShot Boost was doing so decided to do some testing to see if I could determine what was going on with this feature. Before I knew it I had enough data to give a glimpse of not only the boost feature, but show the level of accuracy across a fair sampling of the P3s regulation range. The data is not complete enough to provide a full mapping of the of the P3. I didn't collect this data for the purpose of posting it here, it was just for me to see what was going on with the P3, but after looking at the data I thought it was interesting enough to post here. I included the data table so you can all massage the data any way you like and form your own conclusions.

Please bear in mind this is a beta device and Provape may change the device or programming before the final retail release to be even more accurate (if that is even possible), so this is just an indication of what the beta P3 is doing.

I did this test with an inline volt meter, so while trying to be as accurate as possible I'm sure it's not as accurate as a scope, which I don't have. But even with just an inline meter I'm very surprised at the accuracy of the P3.

WARNING: If you have an aversion to charts that show extreme accuracy please do not view the attached chart!

I tried just attaching this file as both a PDF (not a supported file type for ECF) and as a jpg which worked but was way too small to see detail. So Here is a link to a Drop Box folder that you can view and download the PDF. Let me know if you have any questions.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a5g1mxm3z2w27zx/Beta P3 Voltage Test in Wattage Mode.pdf?dl=0

Can't say I'm shocked. Kind of figured that ProVape would not tackle VW until they could get the regulation with the same accuracy that they achieved with VV in the 2.5.

Looking at the accuracy, it reminds me of the accuracy that Pbusardo showed on his 2.5 review.

I always giggled when Pbusardo would mention good accuracy for other devices as being within +/- .1 to .2 volts when the Provari 2.0 was demonstrating 10 times that accuracy.

People got so in love with the idea of Variable Wattage (myself included) that we forgot or failed to realize just how freaky good the voltage regulation on the V2 actually was.

With the P3, now people will understand what variable wattage really is. Theres everyone elses Variable Wattage, and then there's ProVapes' Variable wattage.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, I have already invested into two V2.5's (a Mini and Standard) in Brushed Stainless. They work flawlessly. I have no real need for a P3.

If ProVape had an upgrade program, they could spend the next year trying to keep up with people upgrading their V2.5's to V3's. But since they don't, the V2.5 is now the V3's biggest competitor.

It appears that the V2.5 will be available for quite a bit less than the V3, and provide people with a nearly identical experience. The V3 is impressive, but is it impressive enough for us to ditch our V2.5's? That's going to be a big questions. If V3 sales start to lag, then perhaps ProVape should think about a trade-in program...

However right now, I don't see enough to ditch my V2.5's. Maybe that will change.....

 

[The Ocelot]

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However right now, I don't see enough to ditch my V2.5's. Maybe that will change.....

Horrors! Even if you got a P3, how could you even consider ditching the V2.5 that has served you so well?

 

[Train2]

It's not for the whole puff - but for the very first moment OF the puff. A little "boost" to get your coil heated up.
So if you're set for 9 watts, it's really going to send 10 FOR A HALF A SECOND, then drop back.
You should experience your 9 watts, but with a more instantaneous vapor cuz of the little spike in power for a moment right when you hit the button...

I understand that concept, but it's the "short power boost with each puff"that has me perplexed. Follow my thought process here (I know that's hard, cuz it's me, but try): I've set the power to 9 watts, the first puff will be something like 9.1 (or whatever) to heat the coils, then it goes back to 9. But my next puff would go back up to 9.1 watts again - per the each puff statement, then back to 9, then the next puff would be 9.1 each puff. If each puff is boosted, when would I ever vape at 9 watts? It seems I would be vaping 9.1/9, unless I turned it off.

ETA: I've never taken a primer puff with a V2/V2.5.

 

[rbrylawski]

Can't say I'm shocked. Kind of figured that ProVape would not tackle VW until they could get the regulation with the same accuracy that they achieved with VV in the 2.5.

Looking at the accuracy, it reminds me of the accuracy that Pbusardo showed on his 2.5 review.

I always giggled when Pbusardo would mention good accuracy for other devices as being within +/- .1 to .2 volts when the Provari 2.0 was demonstrating 10 times that accuracy.

People got so in love with the idea of Variable Wattage (myself included) that we forgot or failed to realize just how freaky good the voltage regulation on the V2 actually was.

With the P3, now people will understand what variable wattage really is. Theres everyone elses Variable Wattage, and then there's ProVapes' Variable wattage.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, I have already invested into two V2.5's (a Mini and Standard) in Brushed Stainless. They work flawlessly. I have no real need for a P3.

If ProVape had an upgrade program, they could spend the next year trying to keep up with people upgrading their V2.5's to V3's. But since they don't, the V2.5 is now the V3's biggest competitor.

It appears that the V2.5 will be available for quite a bit less than the V3, and provide people with a nearly identical experience. The V3 is impressive, but is it impressive enough for us to ditch our V2.5's? That's going to be a big questions. If V3 sales start to lag, then perhaps ProVape should think about a trade-in program...

However right now, I don't see enough to ditch my V2.5's. Maybe that will change.....

I don't need a P3. I really don't. But I want one and I'm getting one. I'm defraying the cost by having already sold one of my 2.5's. Yes I have!!


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[p.opus]

Horrors! Even if you got a P3, how could you even consider ditching the V2.5 that has served you so well?

My point exactly! Look, I've worked hard to keep my ProVari obsession in check. I've settled on a Brushed SS Mini and Brushed SS Standard.

I could replace each of these brand new for $159.00 if I needed to. They are more than I need as it is. My MVP 2.0's don't even get used until I leave town, (I don't like travelling with extra charger and batteries....)

The P3 will likely cost AT LEAST $100.00 more than a V2.5. So that means at least $259.00.

Am I willing to shell out $250.00 out of brand loyalty for extra stuff I have no need of?

Not really.

But we're really kind of putting the cart before the horse at this point. I don't plan on even thinking of getting a V3 until they are available on the website. We know they won't provide an "upgrade" program, but perhaps a buyback program.. I'd really be interested in a buyback program.

 

[The Ocelot]

My point exactly! Look, I've worked hard to keep my ProVari obsession in check. I've settled on a Brushed SS Mini and Brushed SS Standard.

I could replace each of these brand new for $159.00 if I needed to. They are more than I need as it is. My MVP 2.0's don't even get used until I leave town, (I don't like travelling with extra charger and batteries....)

The P3 will likely cost AT LEAST $100.00 more than a V2.5. So that means at least $259.00.

Am I willing to shell out $250.00 out of brand loyalty for extra stuff I have no need of?

Not really.

But we're really kind of putting the cart before the horse at this point. I don't plan on even thinking of getting a V3 until they are available on the website. We know they won't provide an "upgrade" program, but perhaps a buyback program.. I'd really be interested in a buyback program.

Sigh. Do you have a Trophy Wife?

 

[p.opus]

Sigh. Do you have a Trophy Wife?

Nope....Been 6 years since the divorce and over three years since my last real "date". sigh.......

 

[tearose50]

They were first with the Darwin as the first VW device years ago. I think it's a bit to late to patent that now.

Patents take years to get. The application was submitted in early 2011.


And, the application only shows the Darwin as one possible design. The patent application is clearly for aspects of the technology involved in the making of the PCB for e-cig use. I have no idea if it will affect Pro-Vape, though I am sure some will say it will. Afterall, there is drama involved. I'll leave that up to Provape's technical and legal professionals.

 

[Katdarling]

Lol yea I remember the Darwin. Personally, they couldn't have payed me to use that device, but I know several people were waiting forever for them to release more of them, and more never came.

Kinda makes you wonder how many of those funky things still exist...

If you look at the patent application folks are talking about, the prints submitted for the patent are clearly for the Darwin, so I don't think any of this will effect the P3 at all... Especially when you consider the P3 is using an ARM Processor to run the show... And a completely different circuit design...

Pretty certain the similarities end with "They both heat up a coil with variable power"

Shock of - there are some of us who love "those funky things", and those of us who could not be paid to NOT use one.

Especially today.


RIP, Drew.

 

[Rancor0681]

Sounds more like a patent troll to me

 

[dam718]

Shock of - there are some of us who love "those funky things", and those of us who could not be paid to NOT use one.

Especially today.


RIP, Drew.

No disrespect to the Darwin intended. I just think they look funky they were, after all, the holy grail of regulated mods during their hay day. The design was a bit unorthodox though, you must admit. Nothing else out there like a Darwin.


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[rondasherrill]

Already posted this in the Reviews thread, but I'll post it here too:

I put my hands on a P3 today! I drove down to Jackson, TN and talked with the people at Roar Vapor for about an hour. Seriously great people. They let me play with the P3 for a few minutes. Pretty much anything there is to be said, has been said, but I have a couple notes:

1. The Power Boost, is awesome.

2. Remember how long it took to learn how to navigate the Provari when you first layed hands on one? Tack on maybe an extra 30 seconds for the P3. If you are fluent moving through the regular Provari's menu already, it might take 30 seconds total to get the feel for the P3's menu. It's extremely intuitive. No offense to anyone, but if the P3's menu is hard for you after 10 minutes, you should probably just get a mech and Kick it.

3. Regarding the 510 connector coming off with the atomizer... IDK, I didn't have that issue. They took the top cap and 510 connection off, and put it back on in front of me with their fingers, without tightening up with a coin. I put my Kayfun on, the same level of snug I do on any other mod, and it unscrewed just fine without the 510 connector coming with it. (Also, that floating pin is awesome!)

4. One thing that surprised me, is that the screen seems to be measurable smaller, despite giving far more, and more useful, information.

That having been said, if you honestly believe you must subohm, or think that the single button interface is outdated, or whatever, yea, probably not the mod for you.

 

[dhaiken]

No disrespect to the Darwin intended. I just think they look funky they were, after all, the holy grail of regulated mods during their hay day. The design was a bit unorthodox though, you must admit. Nothing else out there like a Darwin.


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Hah! May be the only device never to be cloned!

 

[Katdarling]

No disrespect to the Darwin intended. I just think they look funky they were, after all, the holy grail of regulated mods during their hay day. The design was a bit unorthodox though, you must admit. Nothing else out there like a Darwin.


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And none taken, dam718, none at all, in fact. It IS an odd looking little thing, (and so what if it looks like a tire guage! ) but for me that's part of its charm. And in all truth, I was just feeling a moment of my own history, which so much included Drew and the Darwin. I may have overreacted just a bit, and if I stepped on anyone's toes, I do apologize. (but next time, wear shoes, ok?)

 

[serenity21899]

I have 1 v2 and 5 v2.5. I will not be selling any of them, and I will be buying the P3. And any new colors will have to be really special for me to buy anymore.

 

[p.opus]

I have 1 v2 and 5 v2.5. I will not be selling any of them, and I will be buying the P3. And any new colors will have to be really special for me to buy anymore.

So which day of the week will the P3 be for? You already have the other six covered

 

[serenity21899]

So which day of the week will the P3 be for? You already have the other six covered

Was thinking the same thing, lol. Either Friday or Saturday so I have more time to spend with it.

 

[SeniorBoy]

It's not for the whole puff - but for the very first moment OF the puff. A little "boost" to get your coil heated up.
So if you're set for 9 watts, it's really going to send 10 FOR A HALF A SECOND, then drop back.
You should experience your 9 watts, but with a more instantaneous vapor cuz of the little spike in power for a moment right when you hit the button...

EXACTLY!

The P3 automates via the Boost what you can already perform manually with your 2.5 I'm kind of surprised more folks don't do it with their 2.5 but then again, I sometimes forget.

 

[jeffl]

I have 1 v2 and 5 v2.5. I will not be selling any of them, and I will be buying the P3. And any new colors will have to be really special for me to buy anymore.

Fantastic!

If they put Swarovski crystals on one, my wife will be first in line!


Jeff