Officially taking that step over to Rdtas/RDAs. Wish me good good luck in my travels lol.

[supermanrs0226]

So I have officially purchased my first RDTA and my First rda today. Got them from a fellow member on this forum. He gave me a good deal for sure. I got a black ijoy limitless classic and a black geekvape Tsunami. The limitless is going on my geekvape aegis x mod. Which is my main mod right now with a Zeus sub ohm tank. And the Tsunami is going to go on my ram squonk mod that picked up at my local vape shop for 10 bucks. I am looking forward to giving squonking a try as I have never done it yet. Would love to hear from some season rebuild able vapers on your opinion of my new upgrades or some pointers. I pretty sure I will be fine as I have built tiny ham radios and other things for that hobby. So I have pretty comfortable with working with wire lol. But yeah please let me know what you think. And thank you for all the help in advance.

 

[Territoo]

You should be fine. Building isn't hard once you learn. Watch a few youtube videos, if you haven't already. Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators is a useful coil calculator.

 

[GeorgeS]

it is so easy and inexpensive you might ask yourself why you did not start sooner! LOL!

With 6-10 spaced wraps of 2-3MM-ID coil it is super easy/quick to make+wick+prime and your ready to go.

Have fun!


g.

 

[supermanrs0226]

No were near ready for that. My plan is to play around with pre-made coils. I am still try to figure out what resistance I going to need. I want to vape at 50-60 watts. But open to go up higher if I have too. I thinking a need some like a .2 or .3 build. Since my RDTA is dual coil. I got the original limitless rdta. Also need to figure out a set up for a tsunami 24 as well. Or would I use same one in both?

 

[Nthome91]

So I have officially purchased my first RDTA and my First RDA today. Got them from a fellow member on this forum. He gave me a good deal for sure. I got a black ijoy limitless classic and a black geekvape Tsunami. The limitless is going on my geekvape aegis x mod. Which is my main mod right now with a Zeus sub ohm tank. And the Tsunami is going to go on my ram squonk mod that picked up at my local vape shop for 10 bucks. I am looking forward to giving squonking a try as I have never done it yet. Would love to hear from some season rebuild able vapers on your opinion of my new upgrades or some pointers. I pretty sure I will be fine as I have built tiny ham radios and other things for that hobby. So I have pretty comfortable with working with wire lol. But yeah please let me know what you think. And thank you for all the help in advance.

That's a bit of a throw back and great memories. The original limitless is what got me started into rebuildables and took vaping to a whole new experience. It's also where I truly dove into the Hobby. If you enjoy tinkering and experimenting then you'll ultimately enjoy the experience. Lol I havent really used or even owned a pre-built tank since the smok baby beast came out.

It can truly open up the Hobby for you. Building and experimenting with different wires. You'll find your perfect vape experience in the process. You can also dial in and control your preferences with the hobby. There will definitely be some stressful situations and times as your learning though.

So advice time.
I haven't ever used the Tsunami but the limitless I fell in love with and at the same time found designs and aspects that I truly loath lol.

The original design limitless uses a velocity style deck and Allen head grub screws. My advice is to get an extra set or two of screws. The metal isn't the greatest and they are very well known for stripping out and making your life miserable. That said it is also a true flavor experience compared to the other pre-built tanks of its time. It will also consume a fair bit of juice in the process. Big thing is that when you are building and heating your coil make sure to tighten the screws again after you get you coil glowing evenly. They loosen up with the heat and if you don't you will get a check atomizer fairly quickly after you wick and fill your tank.

If you have any questions I'll gladly help you out as much as I can. Personally that switch made the experience and hobby for me. As well as the fun trial and errors experimenting with all aspects of it. Personally all I use any more is rtas and rdas anymore. Tend to leave the rda mainly for when I'm at my desk because constantly having to drip gets annoying and inconvenient when your out and about. Lol "DONT DRIP AND DRIVE"

 

[Nthome91]

No were near ready for that. My plan is to play around with pre-made coils. I am still try to figure out what resistance I going to need. I want to vape at 50-60 watts. But open to go up higher if I have too. I thinking a need some like a .2 or .3 build. Since my RDTA is dual coil. I got the original limitless rdta. Also need to figure out a set up for a tsunami 24 as well. Or would I use same one in both?

OK so big thing to start off with is throw out that concept of wattage. Your wattage will depend on the the resistance of your coils.

1. what are you using now as far as resistance before you got the rda/rdta?
The lower the number typically the hotter and more density the vape will be. It will also effect how your nic level of you juice will hit. *if your using a mech or unregulated mod it will also change how many amps your pulling from your batteries. So ohms law ( E=IR ) is something you need to learn as well as battery safety. building really low resistance will cause a higher Amp draw from the batteries. As a result they can get hot and potentially over heat and go in to thermal run away and vent

2. Just because there's a slot doesn't mean you have to use it. So you can technically just have a single coil build in the rda or the limitless. (There's a potential that you could have a leak due to the wick slots being open. I.E you lay over the mod ) In experience tho it's actually kinda hard to get it to leak unless using a *thin high pg liquid
(***this can be an issue if you were building on an rta that was solely designed as a dual coil build deck***** but again there's some tricks to getting away with a single on a dual coil deck sometimes and a lot of rtas are being designed now to be both single and dual coil)

I think the rda and rta I'm using at the moment are both single coils honestly. Again in my experience it was kinda hard to get it to leak from an open cotton channel unless yo were actually trying to make it leak The cotton on the coil causes a draw and negative pressure in the. The tank will even create a draw of negative pressure inside the tank further preventing a leak as well as the cotton is drawing the liquid up rather then holding pressure if below the liquid.

If your using pre-made coils they should state what the resistance is for one coil. So if you add another of the same coil then the resistance would be cut in half. Like one pre made coil is 0.32 ohm then it as a dual coil is a 0.16 ohm.

I assume you started out with a regulated mod kit that came with a tank. That's the route that majority start out.

 

[supermanrs0226]

I started out with a voopoo argus air pod system. But I quickly upgraded to the geekvape aegis x mod with the Zeus sub ohm tank. Right now with the Zeus tank I have been using there .4 coils @ 50 to 60 watts. I went to my local vape shop today to get some coils and all they had was some .25 alien Clapton coils. But I found another shop that is local that has a wider selection of coils. Would the .25 coils work in the limitless. I would be using it with my geekvape aegis x mod. My plan for right now was to just put the .25 coils in and set the Aegis X to auto mode and see what it recommend as far as a wattage level. But if you cut it in half when using two coils that would put me at .125 for a resistance which seems kind of low. Probably should have waited to buy coils but all the build videos I watched recommend the .25 coils in either a Clapton or alien Clapton form. For now I am planning on using pre-made coils at least until I get the hang of thing better. Then I might give making my own a try. The juice I am using is 70 vg/ 30 pg with 6mg of nicotine in it. Thank you for all your advice.

P.S both the limitless and the tsunami came with extra screws and all the goodies like extra o-rings and what not. But the limitless only came with 1 glass so I was going to try and track down another one. So I will also add some extra screws to that order if I can find some.

 

[supermanrs0226]

That's a bit of a throw back and great memories. The original limitless is what got me started into rebuildables and took vaping to a whole new experience. It's also where I truly dove into the Hobby. If you enjoy tinkering and experimenting then you'll ultimately enjoy the experience. Lol I havent really used or even owned a pre-built tank since the smok baby beast came out.

It can truly open up the Hobby for you. Building and experimenting with different wires. You'll find your perfect vape experience in the process. You can also dial in and control your preferences with the hobby. There will definitely be some stressful situations and times as your learning though.

So advice time.
I haven't ever used the Tsunami but the limitless I fell in love with and at the same time found designs and aspects that I truly loath lol.

The original design limitless uses a velocity style deck and Allen head grub screws. My advice is to get an extra set or two of screws. The metal isn't the greatest and they are very well known for stripping out and making your life miserable. That said it is also a true flavor experience compared to the other pre-built tanks of its time. It will also consume a fair bit of juice in the process. Big thing is that when you are building and heating your coil make sure to tighten the screws again after you get you coil glowing evenly. They loosen up with the heat and if you don't you will get a check atomizer fairly quickly after you wick and fill your tank.

If you have any questions I'll gladly help you out as much as I can. Personally that switch made the experience and hobby for me. As well as the fun trial and errors experimenting with all aspects of it. Personally all I use any more is rtas and rdas anymore. Tend to leave the rda mainly for when I'm at my desk because constantly having to drip gets annoying and inconvenient when your out and about. Lol "DONT DRIP AND DRIVE"

Sorry didn't realize both replies were from you. So I typed message twice lol. So I deleted one of them so that no one is getting confused. But thank you for all your help.

 

[Nthome91]

Yeah the coils will be fine it's just gonna have more of a kick then the .4 coil. Your mod has built in protection that *** majority will not fire anything below .10 ohm for safety reasons. I have to look back at what your mod is but that 0.12 ohm @4.2v @ 50watts is about **21 AMPS** being pulled from your battery (s). Your battles will have ratings of what they can handle for continuous amps and peak Amp.

Like the LG HG2 "chocolate browns" are 3000mah but each cell is rated 20amp continuous and 35amp peak

I'd say best person I know that can break down battery safety, ohms law and what batteries are safe for what type of vaping.
I'd say look up "battery mooch" he was one of the amazing guys we had in the community that did extensive testing on batteries in his profession and went out of his way to help and educate the community. He would make recommendations and stuff in a time that battery malfunction / injury were all over the news. The batteries that were being marketed and sold had were almost always exaggerated claims or just out right lies with a few. It was a bad time. People got hurt and media used it to push fear and promote anti vaping without ever truly explaining what was happening and why.

Sorry didn't realize both replies were from you. So I typed message twice lol. So I deleted one of them so that no one is getting confused. But thank you for all your help.

As far as wattage you can go up or down on the wattage. That's actually one of the really nice parts about rebuildables is the coils will technically last a long time depending on multiple different factors. How you run them. The juice your running. I think the coil I have in my rda right now is like 2 months old and running strong lol. ****I have had to clean it a few times because vape juice has sweeteners that will gum up the coil after awhile***

Thing I forgot to ask. Did you get any tools for building? You will need to cut the leads or the excess wire off of the coil once you bet them mounted to the deck or velocity posts. ***** the coils can not touch each other and the legs of the coils can cause a short pretty quickly if the touch the other coil or the cap of the atomizer.
I'd recommend a coiling tool kit (I have coilmaster mini 2.0 kit just makes things a little easier)

1. You'll need pliers or metal snipps to cut them. (Toenail clippers if in a pinch lol)
2 The wrench that came with the atomizer
3. Scissors to trim cotton
4. "Coil rod" or small screw drivers or drill bits ( this is to fit inside the coil as you secure it down otherwise it deforms messing up the resistance and how it heats up. I think majority of coils sold are 3mm ID so a 1/8th bit or sometimes the coils will have a tool added.
5. Tweezers if you'd like helps

 

[Nthome91]

Your aegis x will actually read and fire down to .05 - 3.0 ohm and dual battery so they share that 21 Amp pull at 50 watts on full battery. ***DEPENDING ON YOU BATTERIES*** you should be able to run it up to 150 watts (or more potentially) safely cause that's only 37 amps on two cells ( so like 18.5 Amp each)

The mods chip should have over heat / over temp protection for the board / batteries. It's standard nowadays for most regulated mods as a safety feature to protect the mod and user

 

[Nthome91]

I found this on geekvapes page

Geekvape Aegis X Kit

Geekvape Aegis X Kit included Aegis X Box Mod and Z (Zeus) Sub Ohm Tank. It features waterproof, shockproof, and dustproof and powered by dual 18650 batteries with a maximum output power of 200W. Equipped with the new AS2.0 chipset, the Aegis X supports Memory (M1-4)/ Power/ TC (SS, Ni, Ti...

store.geekvape.com

 

[supermanrs0226]

Your aegis x will actually read and fire down to .05 - 3.0 ohm and dual battery so they share that 21 Amp pull at 50 watts on full battery. ***DEPENDING ON YOU BATTERIES*** you should be able to run it up to 150 watts (or more potentially) safely cause that's only 37 amps on two cells ( so like 18.5 Amp each)

The mods chip should have over heat / over temp protection for the board / batteries. It's standard nowadays for most regulated mods as a safety feature to protect the mod and user

So I am running 2 hohm life batteries in my mod. which are 4 volts, 3015 mAh and 22.1 amp and has a max of 85 watts. So I think as far as batteries I am good to go there. As far as tools yes I have a pair of ceramic tweezers, and a pair of wire snips coming in the mail on Saturday. I also have the T screwdriver that came with the tsunami. As well as a bunch of other small screwdrivers that are laying around my house. I also have a pair of folding scissors for cutting the cotton. As well as a pair of curved tweezers for working with the cotton. And of course the Allen keys that came with both the tsunami and the limitless. I also have plenty of pliers if I need them. I do not have a coil rod but I was planning on getting one from the vape shop when I go since they sell them for 2 bucks. And yes I have a chart from battery mooch for his recommend batteries. I am planning on picking up a set of molicel p28a batteries next time I get paid so that I have 2 sets of batteries so that I can always have a set charged and ready to go. I also follow his YouTube channel and have watched some of his video. Ohm law I understand fairly well as I have had to deal with it a lot as a licensed ham radio operator. I was also reading some articles and it seems that with a .125 coil I would be look at a wattage range of 80 to 100 watts. Which I think will be fine. As right now I am vaping at 50 to 60 watts and I have actually used some of the .2 ohm coils in my Zeus tank which were rated for 70 to 80 watts. I think that when I go to the vape shop I might try to get some coils that are around the .8 to .9 resistance range as that would put me in the .4 ohm range that I have become use too. Although I might just grab a few different resistances so that I can play around and experiment a bit. One of my local vape shop has this thing they call dollar days were you can get packs of pre-made coils for a dollar. They have a couple different brands. There are some .35 coils from demon killer with 5 coils per pack. They also have some .32 tiger competition coils which have 10 coils per pack. As well as a bunch of different coils from coilart which also have 10 coils per pack. And all of them are 1 dollar per pack. At that price I mine as well experiment with all of them lol. Now that I know that you cut it in half when adding a second coil. I thought that you multipled it by 2. So that was a very useful piece of info you shared with me so thank you. At some point I will also have to sit down and figure out all the math for the tsunami 24. That RDA will be going on a ram squonk mod. But I am not in a huge rush for that one as it is a semi mech mod so I don't plan on using it until I am completely comfortable with all of the math lol. But thank you again for your help it is greatly appreciated.

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www.18650batterystore.com

 

[supermanrs0226]

When you say that the coils will have more kick. Do you mean in the sense of throat hit?

 

[Str8vision]

I want to vape at 50-60 watts. But open to go up higher if I have too. I thinking a need some like a .2 or .3 build. Since my RDTA is dual coil.

When I started vaping I learned how to build my own coils and after a few years got pretty good at complicated builds. I had tried several pre-built coils but didn't like them at all, slow ramp-up, poor flavor etc.. Then, by chance, I discovered a pre-built coil that was absolutely perfect for me, better than what I could make by hand. Better flavor and longer lasting. They came with an RDTA I bought, Vandy Vape Triple fused Clapton coils 28ga*3+38ga 0.41ohm. In a dual coil setup the build comes out at 0.21 ohms and I fire it at 55 watts. I really enjoy using these pre-built coils and am glad I found them. I hope you find some that you like.

 

[GeorgeS]

*sigh* lots of miss information....

How many watts you need generally resolves to the MASS of your coil and how quickly it heats up. Greater mass requires more watts to heat up while lower mass requires lower watts to heat up.

So which is better: 8 wraps of 20AWG or 8 wraps of 28AWG?

While the 20AWG will have lower resistance it will have much greater mass and surface area (more vapor!). Nether is better or worse. However since the 28AWG has less mass it will require less power and (as a result) the user won't be changing/charging batteries as often.

While planing/picking a "build" one must look at the atomizer and chamber and decide:

- what will fit (# of windings, ID of coil and AWG)
- target resistance of coil (higher if using duals, lower if doing single. >=0.2 if using wattage mode, >=0.4 if using TC mode)

Then a look at the mod and the intended use/outcome is needed. Is this a max vapor (battery life be dammed!!) or are you hoping to be swapping batteries at the same time as refilling the tank? Is this a single/dual/tripple/quad battery mod? Greatest vapor output may not provide the greatest flavor.

(NOTE: most mods are OVERRATED in terms of power and their efficiency/battery life drops considerably at settings >=30W per cell)



g.

 

[supermanrs0226]

When I started vaping I learned how to build my own coils and after a few years got pretty good at complicated builds. I had tried several pre-built coils but didn't like them at all, slow ramp-up, poor flavor etc.. Then, by chance, I discovered a pre-built coil that was absolutely perfect for me, better than what I could make by hand. Better flavor and longer lasting. They came with an RDTA I bought, Vandy Vape Triple fused Clapton coils 28ga*3+38ga 0.41ohm. In a dual coil setup the build comes out at 0.21 ohms and I fire it at 55 watts. I really enjoy using these pre-built coils and am glad I found them. I hope you find some that you like.

Thank you I am sure in time I will find something that works for me. My building tools came in today. So I will be putting my first build into my limitless rdta tomorrow.

 

[supermanrs0226]

*sigh* lots of miss information....

How many watts you need generally resolves to the MASS of your coil and how quickly it heats up. Greater mass requires more watts to heat up while lower mass requires lower watts to heat up.

So which is better: 8 wraps of 20AWG or 8 wraps of 28AWG?

While the 20AWG will have lower resistance it will have much greater mass and surface area (more vapor!). Nether is better or worse. However since the 28AWG has less mass it will require less power and (as a result) the user won't be changing/charging batteries as often.

While planing/picking a "build" one must look at the atomizer and chamber and decide:

- what will fit (# of windings, ID of coil and AWG)
- target resistance of coil (higher if using duals, lower if doing single. >=0.2 if using wattage mode, >=0.4 if using TC mode)

Then a look at the mod and the intended use/outcome is needed. Is this a max vapor (battery life be dammed!!) or are you hoping to be swapping batteries at the same time as refilling the tank? Is this a single/dual/tripple/quad battery mod? Greatest vapor output may not provide the greatest flavor.

(NOTE: most mods are OVERRATED in terms of power and their efficiency/battery life drops considerably at settings >=30W per cell)



g.

So to answer a few of your questions. The mod I am running is a geekvape aegis x mod with 2 hohm life 18650 batteries. I will be using a limitless rdta.

Before I had the limitless rdta. I was using the same geekvape aegis x with a Zeus sub ohm tank and .4 coils at 50 to 60 watts.

So it is looking like with the coils I have I will be at a resistance of .125 ohms. My plan was to just see what the auto mode on my mod recommends for wattage. But I wanted to have an idea of what that should be. Next time I go to the vape shop I am going to get some .8 or .9 coils which should put me closer to the .4 ohms that I have been vaping. I will probably always be a dual coil guy. So I am not looking into singles at the moment. Maybe down road I might try it just to see but I feel like I will just do better with dual coils.

 

[Territoo]

So to answer a few of your questions. The mod I am running is a geekvape aegis x mod with 2 hohm life 18650 batteries. I will be using a limitless rdta.

Before I had the limitless rdta. I was using the same geekvape aegis x with a Zeus sub ohm tank and .4 coils at 50 to 60 watts.

So it is looking like with the coils I have I will be at a resistance of .125 ohms. My plan was to just see what the auto mode on my mod recommends for wattage. But I wanted to have an idea of what that should be. Next time I go to the vape shop I am going to get some .8 or .9 coils which should put me closer to the .4 ohms that I have been vaping. I will probably always be a dual coil guy. So I am not looking into singles at the moment. Maybe down road I might try it just to see but I feel like I will just do better with dual coils.

0.125 ohms is rather low. Most mods will not fire below 0.15. Some will go as low as 0.12, but that doesn't give you much wiggle room. I'd recommend going a little higher, especially as you are learning to build. There's nothing as frustrating as getting your coils installed and finding out the mod won't fire.

 

[supermanrs0226]

0.125 ohms is rather low. Most mods will not fire below 0.15. Some will go as low as 0.12, but that doesn't give you much wiggle room. I'd recommend going a little higher, especially as you are learning to build. There's nothing as frustrating as getting your coils installed and finding out the mod won't fire.

Yeah I do plan to get some different coil that are somewhere around the .8 or .9 next time I got to the vape shop. The .25 coils I have were the only one that I vape shop I went to had. But I have the geekvape aegis x mod which will fire anything from .05 to 3.0 so while the .125 is low my mod indeed will fire them without a problem.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

It's expensive but I bought a lot of batteries.

I have 2 stacks of batteries with 20 - 18650 batteries in each. I charge on stack while I use the other. Keeps me from running around like a chicken with my head cit off...chasing after charged batteries. It's so nice, I cannot figure out why I didn't do it sooner.

Been vaping since 09/15/2015.

What am I using right now?

I use a GeekVape L200 box mod, and a Twisted Messes RDA. I have several Twisted Messes RDAs and tons of spare parts. Don't bother looking for Twisted Messes, I think they are out of business.

You can also use/buy the Drop RDA v2 from GeekVape.

I also use a pod system. A Vaporesso Luxe XR. Bought a lot of extra coils and mouth-pieces.

When you get settled on a system and you are sure that you like it, buy extra parts for it. You never know when the co will quit manufacturing the device or spare parts.