Oh CANADA....we Vape enroute to you....

[Lilkurty]

Did you sing the title line?

Welcome to CANADA eh,
But before you come check out these links and Practice safe vaping eh.....



Here are a couple of helpful links that should help Canadians and visitors to Canada understand what is and what is not allowed when you cross the border into Canada with respect to your vaping gear. N,B we prefer to vape Maple up here.


Liquids containing nicotine for use in electronic cigarettes are currently dealt with in schedule" F " of the Food & Drug regulations which will be amended March 7 2013 to be The Prescription Drug List.


(if we don't agree with the wording we better get on the stick)


Prescription Drug List - 2012 Health Canada Consultation Notice


Prescription Drug List - 2012 Health Canada Consultation Questions


Draft Prescription List - 2012 Health Canada Consultation Document


Nicotine or its salt for human use [is restricted]i except: (a) in natural substances; (b) in the form of a chewing gum containing 4 milligrams or less of nicotine per dosage unit; (c) in the form of a transdermal patch with a delivery rate of 22 milligrams or less of nicotine per day; (d) in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 milligrams or less of nicotine per dosage unit; (e) in the form of a lozenge containing 4 milligrams or less of nicotine per dosage unit




.......and here you will find the different ways we like to look for contraband

Safety and Security - Contraband Detection

 

[Lilkurty]

Here is an archived copy of the notice posted in the Canada Gazette Dec. 22, 2012

ARCHIVED — Canada Gazette – GOVERNMENT NOTICES

 

[Lilkurty]

Here is an archived copy of the notice posted in the Canada Gazette Dec. 22, 2012

ARCHIVED — Canada Gazette – GOVERNMENT NOTICES

Here is a direct link to the proposed amendment

ARCHIVED — Canada Gazette – Regulations Amending Certain Regulations Concerning Prescription Drugs (Repeal of Schedule F to the Food and Drug Regulations)

 

[Esharp]

4 milligrams of nicotine per dose. The question here is, what constitutes a dose. I enjoy 16 mg, I get it in 10ml bottle and it takes about 5 or 6 days to go through it. So, IMO, I would find difficult to believe that I could consume 4 mg in one dose, whatever a dose is.

 

[Lilkurty]

4 milligrams of nicotine per dose. The question here is, what constitutes a dose. I enjoy 16 mg, I get it in 10ml bottle and it takes about 5 or 6 days to go through it. So, IMO, I would find difficult to believe that I could consume 4 mg in one dose, whatever a dose is.

A puff based on the FDA study was 100 cc but they don't define dose here that I can see.

By my calculations if you take an NJOY king it has 4.5% ml by volume, so that is 4.5% of however much is in there. So it is sold as been equivalent to 2 packages of cigs. So however many puffs you can get out of it X whatever the amount of puffs would equal 1 cig (which would be 1 dose) that's the mg you would get per dose. I'll let the brainiacs around here cipher it, I just know that you'll be fine!

 

[Lilkurty]

4 milligrams of nicotine per dose. The question here is, what constitutes a dose. I enjoy 16 mg, I get it in 10ml bottle and it takes about 5 or 6 days to go through it. So, IMO, I would find difficult to believe that I could consume 4 mg in one dose, whatever a dose is.

This is the FDA study and I believe the independent studay done by NJOY in their suit was the same but I'll double check and post if necessary.

Summary of Results: Laboratory Analysis of Electronic Cigarettes Conducted By FDA



Three different electronic cigarette cartridges with the same label were tested and each cartridge emitted a markedly different amount of nicotine with each puff. The nicotine levels per puff ranged from 26.8 to 43.2 mcg nicotine/100 mL puff.

 

[Lilkurty]

This is the FDA study and I believe the independent studay done by NJOY in their suit was the same but I'll double check and post if necessary.

Summary of Results: Laboratory Analysis of Electronic Cigarettes Conducted By FDA



Three different electronic cigarette cartridges with the same label were tested and each cartridge emitted a markedly different amount of nicotine with each puff. The nicotine levels per puff ranged from 26.8 to 43.2 mcg nicotine/100 mL puff.

and here is the way the measurement was determined in the independent study (a bit more detail )


For comparison of nicotine delivered to the user by an FDA approved device, the Nicotrol® inhaler inhalation package comes to the user as 168 10 mg cartridges. Recommended dosage is 6–16 cartridges daily. The manufacturer recommends an intensive inhalation regimen (80 deep inhalations over 20 minutes), which releases on the average 4 mg of the nicotine content of each cartridge. If each breath is approximately 100 cc or 100 mL in volume as is typically assumed, then 4 mg/80 (100 mL) breaths would yield 0.05 mg nicotine/puff or 50 mcg per puff, which is actually more than the highest amount of nicotine delivered by the NJOY menthol high cartridge according to FDA tests. Note that the maximum recommended daily dose of the Nicotrol® inhaler is 40 mg. For the 10 mg inhaler, recommended dosing is 6–16 cartridges a day. Thus, if 4 of the 10 mg is delivered, as is stated in the packet insert, then the use of 16 cartridges (the maximum recommended dose) would yield 64 mg of nicotine per day.


ref: http://hamsnetwork.org/tobacco3/ecig.pdf

 

[Esharp]

LilKurty, you certainly have been doing your homework. I still find it quite confusing, and maybe that's the point. I don't think their are too many vapors that are doing 64 mg/day. I could be wrong, but that sounds quite high. If the high strength NJOY is less than the FDA guideline then most vapors should be O.K.

 

[sonicdsl]

4 milligrams of nicotine per dose. The question here is, what constitutes a dose. I enjoy 16 mg, I get it in 10ml bottle and it takes about 5 or 6 days to go through it. So, IMO, I would find difficult to believe that I could consume 4 mg in one dose, whatever a dose is.

Good work Lilkurty!

Esharp & all my Canadian brethren (& sistren ): This was the main story on last weeks VapeTeam Live:



They go into the dose size too.

 

[Lilkurty]

LilKurty, you certainly have been doing your homework. I still find it quite confusing, and maybe that's the point. I don't think their are too many vapors that are doing 64 mg/day. I could be wrong, but that sounds quite high. If the high strength NJOY is less than the FDA guideline then most vapors should be O.K.

Basically, it boils down to this :
Nicotine is a controlled substance that was previously just allowed in the form and strength of Nicorette gum and Nicorette lozenge and spray. Now, with the addition of the "inhalation" part, we will be able to bring our form across the border as long as it doesn't exceed about a 36 mg strength ONCE THE AMENDMENT IS COMPLETE!
The 4 ml/ dose is basically saying that 36 mg strength would be the max concentration allowed.

 

[Esharp]

Thanks Lilkurty - That is something I can understand.

 

[cactusgirl]

We should maybe simplify this and figure out what portion of 1ml is equal to a 'dose' -- if everyone (vapers) all have the same understanding, then they can simply calculate a dose based on their nic level and it will be much easier to counter-argue if customs ever gives anyone a hard time bringing eliquid over the border.

 

[WolfeReign]

Good work Lilkurty!

Esharp & all my Canadian brethren (& sistren ): This was the main story on last weeks VapeTeam Live:



They go into the dose size too.

I watched the replay of this and Demitris makes countless valid points really.
~Why are vendors hiding the fact they sell e-juice with nic? (oh due to hc you say? well....)

~In the case of Vapor geek why not dig in the heels and say fine and dandy, see you in court?

~Why is there this whole vendor war going on, should they not unite and strive to fight a commom enemy?

~How many people are sitting down and writing letters to the editor, their MP's, even Ottawa direct? C'mon...if we can all swop on something like CLA or news articles online, we can in numbers swap the goverment with letters, force them to hear us....i have fired off a few letters to the editor, and to my MP.....but one man's voice is not enough here.

You do not have to like what i am saying, or may just shrug saying i am stirring the bull pen, but honestly......since i believe the 1800's the government has bee Repesentation By the Population: Meaning if we want a law changed we fight, not sit back and belly ache about it. This is just logic here people. If the USA can stand up and be heard to change the FDA's minds they why can't we? Is it honestly that much easier to be a armchair warrior then fight for what you believe in?

To the op, i give a nod to for this information and the way they did their homework. Though i do have a special request: Seeing as i tend to lack intelligence (contrary to what rumors Dusty-D says lol) can you break this down into home simpson speak for me?

 

[Lilkurty]

I watched the replay of this and Demitris makes countless valid points really.
~Why are vendors hiding the fact they sell e-juice with nic? (oh due to hc you say? well....)

~In the case of Vapor geek why not dig in the heels and say fine and dandy,

Well part of the reason would be that what I quoted are for personal declarations, I don't know what the deal is for commercial but it's probably different